Mike Mullen

  • Aired:  02/03/11
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Mike Mullen hopes the Egyptian crisis evolves peacefully so that the people end up with the government that they want. (7:13)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: WE'RE BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THE CHAIRMAN

OF THE JOINT CHIEFS, PLEASE

WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAMMED A

MIRL MIKE MULLEN.

(APPLAUSE)

HOW ARE YOU?

>> TERRIFIC.

>> Jon: NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK.

>> Jon: I THINK STARTING THIS

SHOW WITH JUSTIN BIEBER AND

ENDING WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE

JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF MAKES THIS

THE WEIRDEST "THE DAILY SHOW"

ANYONE HAS EVER SEEN.

>> THERE'S WONDERFUL EXCITEMENT

TONIGHT AND IT WAS TERRIFIC TO

SEE HIM AND BE B BACK WITH YOU.

>> Jon: HE'S A NICE KID.

>> HE IS, HE IS.

>> Jon: AND SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE

WHO ARE REALLY LOOKING OUT FOR

HIS BEST INTERESTS.

>> THEY ARE.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: HOW ARE YOU DOING?

I KNOW THAT THE UNITED STATES

MILITARY PRIDES ITSELF ON

READINESS.

YOU GAME FOR ALL SORTS OF

SITUATIONS, NORTH AFRICA AND

WHAT'S HAPPENED IN TUNISIA AND

EGYPT.

DID THIS TAKE US BY SURPRISE?

I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN AREA OF

CONCERN BUT HAS THIS TAKEN US BY

SURPRISE TO SOME EXTENT?

>> WELL, I THINK ACTUALLY IT HAS

TAKEN NOT JUST US BUT MANY

PEOPLE BY SURPRISE AND CERTAINLY

WE'RE LOOKING AT... WE'VE GOT A

30-YEAR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

PEOPLE OF EGYPT AND CERTAINLY A

VERY STRONG RELATIONSHIP FROM

OUR MILITARY TO THEIRS THAT HAS

PROVEN TO BE VERY STRONG.

ALSO IN THIS CRISIS THAT THEY'RE

IN.

BUT TO A GREAT DEGREE I THINK

THE TIMING OF IT CERTAINLY

CAUGHT US AS IT MOVED FROM

TUNISIA AND SORT OF ACROSS TO

THE REALLY DIFFICULT CHALLENGE

THAT SITS THERE RIGHT NOW IN

EGYPT.

>> Jon: YOU SAY WE HAVE A

RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MILITARY.

WE HAVE TRAINED THEIR OFFICERS,

HAVE WE NOT.

THEY'VE COMED HERE AND TRAINED.

>> WE HAVE, ACTUALLY BY THE

HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OVER

THE COURSE OF THAT 30 YEARS.

SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CONTACTS,

WE'VE GOT RELATIONSHIPS, THEY'VE

LIVED WITH US, THEIR FAMILIES

HAVE LIVED WITH US.

SO ONE OF MY CHIEF GOALS RIGHT

NOW IS TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE

LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN.

I'VE TALKED TO MY COUNTERPARTS A

COUPLE OF TIMES.

AND ALSO THAT WE'VE GOT OUR

MILITARY READY SHOULD ANY KIND

OF SUPPORT BE REQUIRED AND THAT

ISN'T THE CASE RIGHT NOW.

I'M VERY FOCUSED ON THAT.

>> Jon: THIS IS A STRANGE

QUESTION AND MAY BE IN A

DIFFERENT AREA BUT IS IT ODD FOR

THE UNITED STATES... WHEN WE GO

INTO IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT PROMOTING

DEMOCRACY, WE'RE BRINGING A

SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT AND WE'VE

DONE IT THROUGH AN INVASION AND

RELATIVELY EXTREME MEASURES YET

IN EGYPT AS WE SEE A DEMOCRATIC

MOVEMENT COMING FROM THE GROUND

UP WE GO, LIKE, HEY, WHAT'S

THAT?

IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE ISN'T THAT

THE FRUIT OF THAT LABOR AND IS

IT THAT AS A COUNTRY WE HAVE TO

BALANCE THIS IDEA OF STABILITY

AND OUR INTERESTS WITH THIS

DEMOCRACY.

CAN WE HAVE IT BOTH WAYS LIKE

THIS?

>> I THINK WE DO HAVE TO BALANCE

THAT AND PROBABLY BALANCE RIGHT

NOW IS A TERRIFIC WAY TO LOOK AT

THIS.

IT'S A VERY VOLATILE SITUATION.

IT'S EVOLVING.

THERE'S A LOT WE DON'T KNOW.

WE HAVEN'T KNOWN SINCE IT

STARTED AND IN MANY CRISES LIKE

THAT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF

UNKNOWNS SO CERTAINTY WITH

OUTCOMES AND CERTAINTY WITH

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW

IT'S JUST NOT THERE.

BUT IN THAT UNCERTAINTY,

CERTAINLY, I HAVE AN EXPECTATION

AND A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

EGYPTIAN MILITARY.

THEY'VE REAFFIRMED THE SUPPORT

OF THEIR PEOPLE.

THEY'VE REAFFIRMED THEIR SUPPORT

OF THE INSTITUTIONS.

AND CERTAINLY WE'RE ALL HOPEFUL

THIS CAN EVOLVE PEACEFULLY WITH

NO MORE VIOLENCE AND IN A WAY

WHERE IT REALLY IS

REPRESENTATIVE OF THE EGYPTIAN

PEOPLE.

>> Jon: WHAT IS THE IDEA THAT IF

THERE WAS... IF THEIR ARMY--

WHICH I GUESS IS NOW TRYING TO

GAIN A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL--

IF THEY WERE TO MOVE IN THAT

DIRECTION AGAINST THEIR OWN

PEOPLE, DO WE HAVE AN OPTION

THERE OR I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING

IS COULD WE EVER GO IN TO

PROTECT THE EGYPTIAN PEOPLE FROM

THEIR OWN MILITARY?

>> I THINK THAT THE OUTCOME IS

UP TO THE EGYPTIAN PEOPLE AND

ALSO THEIR LEADERSHIP INCLUDING

THE ARMY.

I MEAN, IN DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD

WITH THEIR MILITARY LEADERSHIP,

THEY HAVE REASSURED ME THAT THEY

HAVE NO INTENT TO FIRE ON THEIR

OWN PEOPLE.

THEY HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO TRY TO

QUELL THE VIOLENCE FROM

YESTERDAY, THE TRAGIC VIOLENCE

THAT OCCURRED, THE PRIME

MINISTER CAME OUT AND APOLOGIZED

FOR IT THAT HE'S GOING TO DO AN

INVESTIGATION.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING

ON TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT

DOESN'T RECUR.

BUT IT'S AN EVOLVING SITUATION

THAT WE HOPE CAN JUST CONTINUE

TO EVOLVE PEACEFULLY SO THE

EGYPTIAN PEOPLE CAN END UP WITH

THE GOVERNMENT THAT THEY WANT.

>> Jon: NOW, AS YOU LOOK ACROSS

THE REGION NOW THAT YOU'RE

SEEING IT WITH A PAIR OF FRESH

EYES, SEEING IT COULD HAPPEN IN

EGYPT, DO YOU LOOK AND THINK

"SYRIA, THEY'VE GOT ABOUT A

WEEK."

(LAUGHTER)

"THESE GUYS ARE GOING DOWN.

LEBANON, GEE."

DO YOU SEE THIS ENTIRE REGION

NOW GOING THROUGH OR IS IT

BECAUSE WE ARE SO... BECAUSE

THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY

UNUSUAL RIPPLES IN THIS PART OF

THE WORLD.

IT'S JUST THAT THEIR GOVERNMENTS

HAVE GENERALLY BEEN ABLE TO

QUASH THEM BEHIND A VEIL NOW

THAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA IS THE WAY

IT IS.

PEOPLE SEE IT MORE.

ARE WE SEEING SOMETHING NEW OR

IS THIS A REPRISE OF A CYCLE?

>> WELL, OVERALL I WOULD THINK

IT IS NEW AND CERTAINLY THERE

ARE GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT THE

MIDDLE EAST AND LEADERS WHO ARE

CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

YOU'VE SEEN THE PRESIDENT OF

YEMEN SPEAK PUBLICLY THAT HE

ISN'T GOING TO STAND FOR

ELECTION IN A COUPLE YEARS, NOR

WILL HE TURN IT OVER TO HIS

FAMILY.

YOU'VE... I'VE ENGAGED LEADERS

FROM OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE

REGION TO... AGAIN, THAT WE HAVE

RELATIONSHIPS WITH.

WE'VE WORKED HARD IN THE UNITED

STATES AND THE MILITARY TO HAVE

RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE MILITARY

FOR MANY OF THESE COUNTRIES.

THEY HAVE GONE TO OUR SCHOOL SO

IT'S AN EASY CALL TO MAKE EVEN

IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION

AND THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT

WHERE THIS GOES AND HOW

CONTAGIOUS IT IS AND WHAT IT

MEANS IN EACH COUNTRY, SOMETHING

WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT.

>> Jon: AND FOR YOU PERSONALLY

IS IT THE TYPE OF THING... ARE

THEIR MILITARIES CONTROLLED IN A

SIMILAR MATTER?

IT'S NOT CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP.

I THINK THAT'S THE THING THAT

CONFUSES ME ABOUT EGYPT.

IS THE MILITARY AN ARMY OF

MUBARAK?

THE MILITARY IN EGYPT IS VERY

WELL RESPECTED.

IT'S SEEN AS AN INSTITUTION OF

GREAT INTEGRITY.

NOT SO MUCH THE POLICE FORCES

AND WHOEVER IT IS THOSE GUYS ON

CAM METS WITH WHIPS ARE.

NOBODY KNOWS WHO THEY ARE.

(LAUGHTER)

BUT THE MILITARY DOES NOT HAVE

THAT REPUTATION.

>> NO, THEIR REPRESENTATION IS

EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH WITH THE

PEOPLE AND I THINK THEY'D SAY...

THE MILITARY WOULD SAY THAT

THAT'S WHO THEY ARE SUPPORTING.

THE PEOPLE OF EGYPT.

AND THAT'S WHY THE

REPRESENTATION IS AS GOOD AS IT

IS WITH THE POPULATION THERE.

>> Jon: ALWAYS GOOD TO... DO YOU

MIND, CAN YOU STICK AROUND FOR

FIVE MINUTES?

CAN WE TALK A

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