David Barton Pt. 1

  • Aired:  05/04/11
  •  | Views: 161,015

David Barton claims that he doesn't emphasize Christianity when he determines school curriculum. (4:12)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, AN AMERICAN

HISTORIAN AND THE FOUNDER AND

PRESIDENT OF WALLBUILDERS, DAVID

BARTON.

SIR, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

APPRECIATE IT.

SIT.

[APPLAUSE]

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> MY PLEASURE.

>> Jon: SO HERE'S WHAT

HAPPENED, SO WE HAVE MIKE

HUCKABEE ON THE SHOW.

>> RIGHT.

GOOD GUY.

>> Jon: VERY NICE GUY, GOOD

FRIEND OF THE SHOW.

WE ALWAYS HAVE REALLY

INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS.

SO I'M WATCHING HIM PRAISE YOU.

HE WAS AT A CONFERENCE.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: HE SAID DAVID BARTON

IS THE GREATEST HISTORIAN IN

AMERICA AND ALL CHILDREN SHOULD

HAVE TO LEARN FROM HIM IN THEIR

CURRICULUM.

I'M PARAPHRASING.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND I THOUGHT TO

MYSELF, WELL, GEEZ, I'D LIKE THE

MEET THE GREATEST HISTORIAN IN

AMERICA.

THEN I STARTED LOOKING UP YOUR

STUFF, AND I THOUGHT, OKAY...

>> THAT'S A DANGEROUS THING TO

DO.

>> Jon: THIS SEEMS ODD.

SO I ASKED MIKE HUCKABEE ABOUT

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE

BEEN SAYING, AND HE SAID, WHY

DON'T YOU ASK DAVID BARTON

HIMSELF.

AND I SAID, OKAY.

AND HERE I AM.

SO HERE YOU ARE.

SO LET ME ASK YOU, JUST FOR OUR

AUDIENCE THAT IS NOT FAMILIAR

WITH WHAT YOU DORK HOW WOULD YOU

DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS YOU DO?

>> I'D SAY HISTORICAL

RECLAMATION.

WE AND OUR COMPANY HAVE ABOUT

100,000 DOCUMENTS FROM BEFORE

1812.

SO DOCUMENTS OUT OF BLACK

HISTORY, OUT OF RELIGIOUS

HISTORY, CONSTITUTIONAL HISTORY,

YOU NAME IT.

WE'VE GOT 100,000 ORIGINALS.

THAT'S WHAT WE TAKE A LOT OF

HISTORY BACK TO, THOSE ORIGINAL

THINGS THAT HAPPENED.

>> Jon: BUT IT ALWAYS SEEMS

THE HISTORY YOU TAKE COMES BACK

TO THE IDEA THAT WE ARE A MORE

CHRISTIAN NATION THAN WE ARE

LIVING.

IS THAT...

>> THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.

THERE'S PEOPLE WHO POINT THAT

OUT, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD

EXAMPLE.

IN TEXAS I WAS APPOINTED AS AN

EXPERT TO DO HISTORY IN

GOVERNMENT STANDARDS THERE.

>> Jon: SO YOU ARE A

CURRICULUM AUTHORITY?

>> FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS,

CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, ALL THESE

STATEDS, I DO THEIR HISTORY AND

SOCIAL STUDIES STANDARDS.

SO I'M ASKED BY THE GOUGH OR BY

THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION TO

DO THAT.

>> AND THIS MAY BE A

MISCONCEPTION, BUT YOU DON'T...

YOU ARE NOT A HISTORIAN IN TERMS

OF ACADEMIC HISTORIAN.

YOU DON'T HAVE A DOCTORATE.

>> NO.

I'VE GOT ALL THE DOCUMENTS.

THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN A LOT OF FUN

BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH HISTORY

AND SCHOOL AND WHAT I GOT TAUGHT

AND WHAT I SEE IN THE ACTUAL

DOCUMENTS AREN'T THE SAME THING.

THAT'S WHAT GOT ME STARTED.

SOME REALLY OLD DOCUMENTS CONTRA

DINGTED MY SCHOOL BOOKS.

SO WE SAY PUBLISHERS, HERE'S

WHAT THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS ARE,

PRINT THE DOCUMENTS.

GO BACK TO THE ORIGINALS.

ON THE ISSUE OF RELIGION, BEING

ONE OF THE GUYS APPOINTED IN

TEXAS, ALL MY REVIEWS ARE

ONLINE.

THERE'S 43,000 WORDS ONLINE OF

MY REVIEWS OVER THE LAST SET OF

STANDARDS.

ONLY TWO SUBJECTS DO I EVER

MENTION CHRISTIANITY.

ONE WAS THE TEACHER'S

RECOMMENDED TAKING THE STUDY OF

CHRISTMAS OUT OF THE HOLIDAY.

>> YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE NOT

INTERESTED IN...

>> OH, I AM.

I AM.

>> Jon: OKAY.

>> AS AN EMPHASIS.

>> Jon: THAT'S YOUR ALMOST

TOTAL EMPHASIS.

>> NO, IT'S NOT.

>> Jon: OH.

>> I KNOW THE KIND OF PEOPLE

THAT GO AFTER ME.

AND WHEN I WAS ON THE TEXAS

BOARD, THERE'S A GROUP THAT DID

A PRESS RELEASE AND ALL OF A

SUDDEN MSNBC AND THE "TIMES,"

ALL THESE GROUPS...

>> BARTON IS CRAMMING

CHRISTIANITY DOWN THEIR THROATS

IN TEXAS.

NO, THERE'S 43,000 WORDS, TWO

REFERENCES TO CHRISTIANITY.

THAT'S NOT A SUPER BIG EMPHASIS,

NOT THAT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO

ME, BUT WHAT I TEACH...

>> I WOULD SAY IN LEVITICUS,

BEING DAY IS MENTIONED TWICE,

BUT PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT KIND OF

MAKE A BIG EMPHASIS OUT OF THAT.

>> THAT'S NOT A HISTORY ISSUE.

>> Jon:, NO BUT I'M SAYING I

DON'T KNOW THAT...

>> LETS ME GIVE YOU ANOTHER WAY

OF LOOKING AT IT.

>> Jon: PLEASE.

>> PUBLISHERS COME TO ME AND SAY

YOU HAVE TO WRITE THE STANDARDS.

AND I WHAWNS MY NAME EVOKES, SO

I TOLD THE PUBLISHERS, I'LL BE

THE EDITOR, BUT DON'T PUT MY

NAME IN THE NEXT BOOK.

THAT TEXTBOOK I EDITED IS THE

BESTSELLING PUBLISHED SCHOOL

TEXTBOOK MANY AMERICA.

HISTORIANS THINK IT'S A GREAT

BOOK.

THEY DON'T KNOW I DID IT.

>> Jon: WELL, NOT HISTORIANS.

>> TEACHERSEN

>> Jon: WHEN TEXAS MAKES A

BOOK, IT'S NOT A FREE MARKET

THING.

>> IT WAS BECAUSE I WORKED AT

THE PUBLISHERS, NOT THE STANDARD

IN TEXAS.

THE PUBLISHERS CAME TO ME.

>> Jon: MORE PEOPLE ARE BUYING

IT, IT'S CLEARLY BETTER.

>> WELL, YEAH, EXACTLY.

BUT...

>>

Loading...