Arne Duncan

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U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan discusses the Obama administration's Race to the Top competition and its positive effect on underperforming schools. (7:43)

>> WELCOME BACK.

OUR GUESTS TONIGHT, THE

UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF

EDUCATION PLEASE WELCOME TO

THE PROGRAM SECRETARY ARNE

DUNCAN.

SIR.

(APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: THANK YOU FOR

JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Jon: FOR THOSE PEOPLE

WITHOUT DON'T REALIZE YOU

YOURSELF PLAYED BASKETBALL

AT HARVARD, AND KNOW THIS

PHENOM JEREMY LIN.

>> HE'S AN AMAZING YOUNG KID,

SO PROUD OF HIM.

HE'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT BUT

HE'S THE ULTIMATE WINNER AND

IS MAKING HIS TEAMMATES

BETTER.

WHAT WE LOVE ABOUT

BASKETBALL, IT'S A TEAM

SPORT, IT'S NOT GOLF AND

HE'S GETTING EVERYBODY

INVOLVED.

>> Jon: THE WAY THE KNICKS

HAVE BEEN PLAYING IT HAVE

BEEN VERY SIMILAR TO GOLF.

THAT YOU TRY AND GET A BALL

IN THIS HOLE AND YOU JUST

CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT.

YOU KNOW.

WHEN YOU GRADUATED HARVARD,

DID YOU, I MEAN, IS IT A

DISAPPOINTMENT, I GUESS, FOR

TO YOU HAVE ENDED UP JUST AS

THE SECRETARY OF EDUCATION?

NOT-- NOT OBVIOUSLY AN NBA

SUPERSTAR?

>> I'M SO THRILLED FOR HIM

AND NO ONE DESERVES IT MORE

THAN HIM AND HIS HUMILITY,

HIS WILLINGNESS TO WORK HARD

WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE DOUBTED

HIM AND DIDN'T GIVE HIM A

CHANCE.

I THINK THE EXAMPLE HE SETS

FOR YOUNG KIDS AROUND THIS

COUNTRY, ASIAN AMERICANS,

WHITE KIDS, BLACK KIDS,

HISPANIC KIDS HE IS A

REMARKABLE ROLE MODEL.

>> Jon: I'M HOPING IT WILL

CHANGE.

IT WILL GET A COUPLE OF

DATES IN WITH THE

KARDASHIANS AND THE WHOLE

THING GOES TO HELL, BELIEVE

ME.

>> NO NEW FRIENDS.

STICK WITH THE OLD FRIENDS.

>> Jon: LET'S MOVE ON TO

YOU.

SO MY MOTHER IS A TEACHER.

AND HER FRIENDS ARE TEACHERS.

AND THEY CALL ME ALL HOURS,

REALLY OF THE DAY AND NIGHT.

AND THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, A

LITTLE BIT W THIS RACE TO

THE TOP INITIATIVE THAT HAS

BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

IT WAS I GUESS A FIX TO NO

CHILD LEFT BEHIND.

EXPLAIN RACE TO THE TOP.

>> WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

RACE TO THE TOP HAS DONE A

COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK ARE

SO IMPORTANT.

WE ARE SEEING 46 STATES

RAISE STANDARDS, FOR EVERY

SINGLE CHILD.

WE'RE TURNING AROUND

UNDERPERFORMING SCHOOLS.

I THINK NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND

WAS LARGELY BROKEN.

WE'RE NOW PROVIDING WAIVER,

FLEXIBILITY TO STATES, WHO

WANTED CONGRESS TO FIX IT.

CONGRESS IS PRETTY

DYSFUNCTIONAL THESE DAY,

UNFORTUNATELY.

>> Jon: I HAD NOT HEARD

THAT.

>> SO WE'RE TRAYING TO FIX

THINGS THE BEST WAY WE CAN.

WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THEM TO

MOVE AND WE CAME FROM

AMAZING INNOVATION,

CREATIVITY COMING FROM

STATES.

>> Stephen: .

>> Jon: WHAT'S INTERESTING

TO ME ABOUT IT IS A LOT OFth

RHETORIC ON THE RACE TO THE

TOP AND THE RESPECT

INITIATIVE IS ABOUT

INNOVATION AND CREATIVITY.

BUT WHAT I HEAR FROM THE

TEACHERS IS THAT THERE IS AN

INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN

CREATED THAT IS ACTUALLY

MORE CONFINING BECAUSE IT IS

CAUSING THE SCHOOLS TO TEACH

TO THE TESTS THAT THEY MUST

HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR GRANT

MONEY.

AND THAT, AND THE THREE

TEACHERS HERE TODAY-- ARE-- I

THINK IT TENDS TO FRUSTRATE

THEM RATHER THAN FREE THEM

TO BE CREATIVE AND POWERFUL

INNOVATIVE TEACHERS THAT YOU

ARE LOOKING FOR.

>> RIGHT, SO I ACTUALLY

AGREE WITH THAT AND THE

PRESIDENT ADDRESSED IT.

>> Jon: SO THERE WE G SO

WE'RE DONE HERE.

>> THE PRESIDENT ADDRESSED

IT DIRECTLY IN THE STATE OF

UNION.

HE SAID WE HAVE TO STOP

TEACHING IT TO THE TEST.

I LIVED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF

THE LAW FOR SEVEN AND A HALF

YEARS WHEN I RAN CHI PUBLIC

SCHOOL.

THAT IS THE BIGGEST

COMPLAINT I HEAR AS I TRAVEL

THE COUNTRY.

YES, READING AND MATH ARE

FUNDAMENTAL, FOUNDATIONAL

BUT SCIENCE, SOCIAL STUDIES,

DANCE, DRAMA, ART, MUSIC,

FOREIGN LANGUAGES, PE, ALL

THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY

IMPORTANT AS WELL.

AND WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH

THE FLEXIBILITY STATE IS

MOVING AWAY FROM NO CHILD

LEFT BEHIND IS SAYING ALL

THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT,

YES, SO IS READING AND MATH,

WE HAVE TO HAVE A

WELL-ROUNDED, WORLD-CLASS

EDUCATION FOR EVERY CHILD.

>> Jon: BUT ARE WE NOT STILL

BROADENING THE CURRICULUM,

OKAY YOU DON'T LIKE THE

NARROWNESS OF THE TESTS IN

THESE TWO SUBJECTS WHAT IF

WE GIVE YOU A LAZY SUSAN OF

TESTS FOR A LOT OF --

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT

AT ALL.

TESTS TELL YOU SOME THINGS.

THEY DON'T TELL YOU LOTS OF

OTHER THINGS SWRECHLT TO

STOP FOCUS ON THE ABSOLUTE

TEST SCORE.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT GROWTH IN

GAINS, HOW MUCH THE STUDENT

IS IMPROVING.

I'M MORE INTERESTED IN

LONGER TERM OUTCOME,

LONG-TERM OUTCOMES.

OUR GRADUATION RATE IS GOING

UP.

OUR DROPOUT RATE GOING DOWN,

ARE MORE STUDENTS READY FOR

COLLEGE R THEY PERSEVERING

IN COLLEGE.

WE HAVE TODAY KATE TO A

BETTER ECONOMY.

THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

>> Jon: IS THIS THE WAY TO

DO IN YOU KNOW THE THING

THAT STRIKES ME, AND I KNOW

HOW DIFFICULT IT IS I THINK

EDUCATION IS PROBABLY THE

MOST DIFFICULT AREA TO

ATTACK BECAUSE OF THE

ECOSYSTEM THAT IT IS

INVOLVED IN.

IT'S NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND IT IS NOT, BUT SO MUCH

OF THE ONUS NOW IS ON THE

TEACHERS.

AND BY CREATING THESE

BENCHMARKS, IT GIVES THE

FALSE OF IMPRESSION THAT

TEACHING IS SCIENCE WHEN IN

MANY WAY TEACHING IS AN ART.

>> TEACHING IS AN ABSOLUTE

ART.

I THINK WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS

A COUNTRY IS WE HAVE BEATEN

DOWN TEACHERS, EDUCATION,

THIS WHOLE RESPECT PROJECT

THAT WE ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY,

IS TRYING TO DRAMATICALLY

ELEVATE THE PROFESSION,

STRENGTHEN THE PROFESSION.

IT TAKES YEARS TO MASTER.

YOUR MOM IS A TEACHER, MY

MOM HAS BEEN WORKING IN THE

INNER CITY FOR 50 YEARS.

I KNOW HOW HARD THIS WORK

IS.

WE TREATED EVERYBODY THE

SAME.

WE HAVEN'T RECOGNIZED

EXCELLENCE.

WE HAVEN'T AWARDED IT.

WE HAVEN'T LEARNED FROM IT I

HAVE BEEN VERY PUBLIC WE

SHOULD SIGNIFICANTLY

INCREASE TEACHER SALARIES.

NO ONE GOES INTO IT FOR THE

MONEY BUT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE

TO TAKE THE VOW OF POVERTY.

>> Jon: NO, I THINK YOU

MOSTLY GO INTO IF FORTH

MONEY.

THE PEOPLE I MEET WITH THEIR

TOYOTAS, I HAVE SEEN-- I

HAVE SEEN SOME THINGS.

>> WE NEED, WE HAVE A BABY

BOOMING GENERATION RETIRING.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED A UNTIL

NEW GRADE TEACHERS.

>> Jon: I LOVE WHAT YOU ARE

SAYING, BUT ISN'T RACE TO

THE TOP THE EXACT THING THAT

DEMORALLIZED THEM EVEN

FURTHER THAN NO CHILD LEFT

BEHIND BECAUSE THAT IS THE

ISSUE, ISN'T I THINK

INTENTION, BECAUSE IT SEEMS

THE INTENTION OF IF I WERE

IN EDUCATION OR THE

PRESIDENT, THE RHETORIC YOU

HEAR IS ABSOLUTELY

WONDERFUL.

BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THE

METHODOLOGY THAT THEY HAVE

EMPLOYED HAS NOT HAD THAT

EFFECT.

AND MAYBE IS THIS NOT THE

BEST USE OF THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT.

BECAUSE EDUCATION IS SUCH

THE DIVERSITY OF LOCALITY,

IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT

EXISTS IN THE AREAS THIS

WHICH THE KIDS ARE EDUCATED.

>> WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO

IS EMPOWER STATES AND

DISTRICTS.

I ALWAYS SAID I DON'T WANT

TO MICROMANAGE FROM

WASHINGTON, CAN'T DO IT.

THE BEST IDEAS WILL ALWAYS

COME FROM THE LOCAL LEVEL,

NOT FROM ME OR FRANKLY

ANYONE ELSE FROM WASHINGTON.

THE BEAUTY OF THE PLANS IS

WE ARE TRADING TO EMPOWER

GREAT LOCAL TEACHERS AND

PRINCIPALS AND PARENTS AND

SUPERINTENDENTS, TO PUT IN

PLACE THEIR PLANS TO HELP

THEIR CHILDREN.

OUR CHALLENGE IS 44, 45

STATES, RURAL, URBAN,

SUBURBAN, ANSWERS AREN'T

GOING TO COME FROM US.

THEY WILL COME IN THOSE

COMMUNITIES.

>> Jon: DO YOU THINK THAT

WHAT EDUCATION SUFFERS FROM

IN THIS COUNTRY IS THAT THE

PARADIGM NEEDS TO BE SHIFTED,

THAT IT SEAMS THAT EDUCATION

HAS BEEN CLOISTERED.

AND NO LONGER HAS THE SHAME

APPLICATION-- SAME

APPLICATION TO THE MODERN

WORLD.

WE'RE STILL WORKING OFF OF

THE PAST.

AND TRYING TO FIX THINGS

THAT ARE REALLY NOT APP RA

PO IN TODAY'S --

>> I THINK THE BIGGEST

CHALLENGE IS THAT WE HAVE

BECOME TOO COMPLACENT.

WE'RE 16th IN THE WORLD

TODAY IN COLLEGE GRADUATES.

A GENERATION AGO WE WERE

FIRST.

IT ISN'T THAT WE HAVE

DROPPED.

WE HAVE FLAT LINED IN 15

OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE PASSED

US BY.

WE HAVE TO EDUCATE OUR WAY

TO A BETTER ECONOMY.

THERE ARE 2 MILLION JOBS OUT

THERE TODAY IN OUR COUNTRY

THAT WE CAN'T FILL BECAUSE

WE DON'T HAVE THE EDUCATED

WORKFORCE TO FILL THOSE

JOBS.

SO WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO

CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO.

>> WE HAVE A MILLION YOUNG

PEOPLE DROPPING OUT OF

SCHOOL EVERY YEAR, A MILLION,

THERE ARE NO JOB, NONE, THEY

ARE GUARANTEED POVERTY AND

SOCIAL FAILURE.

WE HAVE TO CHALLENGE THE

STATUS QUO, TAKE RISK AND DO

THINGS IN A DIFFERENT WAY

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A HIGH

BAR.

WE HAVE TO HAVE HIGH

EXPECTATIONS.

>> Jon: I GUESS THE WAY YOU

DEFINE THE BAR IS PROBABLY

THE DIFFICULTY.

CAN YOU STICK AROUND FOR TWO

SECONDS.

CAN YOU STAY AFTER SCHOOL,

AS IT WERE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Jon: SECRETARY ARNE

DUNCAN, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK

AFTER THIS.

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