Exclusive - Peter Schuck Extended Interview Pt. 3

  • Aired:  05/06/14
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Peter Schuck offers three recommendations for how government could reform in order to be more effective. (5:35)

>> Jon: RIGHT. SO IN YOUR MIND,THREE QUICK THINGS THAT YOU

THINK, IF LOOKED AT, WOULD HELPWITH THESE THINGS THAT YOU LAIDOUT.

>> OK, FIRST IS A SUBSTANTIVEPOLICY THING, WOULD BE TAX

REFORM, TAX SIMPLIFICATION.>>Jon: RIGHT.

>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OFBOOKS, MY COLLEAGUE AT YALE

MICHAEL GRASSMAN.

>> Jon: OH, HIS STUFF ISTERRIBLE. I HATE HIS STUFF.

I DON'T KNOW MICHAEL GRASSMAN. IAPOLOGIZE.

I MADE THAT UP.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> MY FORMER STUDENT IS IN THE

AUDIENCE ALEX RASKOLNIKOV.

>> Jon: OH KOSKOLINKOV! I CALLHIM MR. K.

WHERE IS HE?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE IS.

>> Jon: OH HEY, WHAT'S UP? WHATDO YOU DO?

WHAT IS YOUR THING?

>> TEACH TAX LAW.

>> Jon: WOW, THAT'S EXCITING.ALRIGHT, LET'S GO WITH YOU.

[ LAUGHTER ]GETTING OUT OF HERE.

>> OK, SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO POLITICAL SYSTEM, ITHINK WE OUGHT TO GET RID OF THE

PARTY PRIMARIES. ITHINK THEY TEND TO --

>> Jon: GET RID OF THE -- HOW

WOULD YOU CHOOSE A PRESIDENT?

JUST AT THE CONVENTION?

>> NO, NO, NO, NOT FORPRESIDENT, CANDIDATES

GENERALLY AS WELLAS THE PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE

PARTY LEADERS MEASURING PUBLICOPINION ABOUT WHICH CANDIDATE IS

LIKELY TO WIN, AND SO FORTH. THEWAY IT USED TO BE.

>> Jon: DOESN'T THAT -->> PARTY PRIMARIES PUSH PEOPLE

TO THE EXTREMES.

>> Jon: IT DOES BUT WOULDN'T YOUHAVE A HARD TIME SAYING IT'S OUR

ONE MECHANISM OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

VOTING IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITYTHAT WE HAVE.

DOESN'T THAT ALLOW TOO MANYTHINGS FOR BACKROOM DEALINGS,

OAK FILLED ROOMS, THAT SORT OFTHING?

>> WELL, THAT'S VOTING FORCANDIDATES.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SELECTINGCANDIDATES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

VERY FEW PEOPLE VOTE IN THEPRIMARIES AND THEY ARE USUALLY

ON THE EXTREME EDGES OF EACHPARTY. PARTY LEADERS ACTUALLY

KNOW A LOT MORE AND CARE ALOT MORE ABOUT ACTUALLY

WINNING AS DISTINGUISHED FROMWAGING A HOLY WAR.

>> Jon: WHAT IF WE NARROWEDTHE PROCESS DOWN, STILL ALLOWING

PEOPLE TO HAVE THEACCOUNTABILITY OF DEMOCRATIC

ELECTIONS BUT MAKING THE PROCESSMUCH NARROWER IN TIME.

AND SO IT DOESN'T ALLOW FORPERMANENT CAMPAIGN?

I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUTHANDING THE POWER OF CANDIDATE

SELECTION TO PARTY OFFICIALS.

THAT SEEMS LIKE A RECIPE FORREALLY CRONYISM IN A WAY WE

DON'T EVEN HAVE NOW.

>> WHAT YOU HAVE TOREMEMBER IS PARTY OFFICIALS ARE

GOING TO SELECT CANDIDATESWHO HAVE A GOOD CHANCE

OF WINNING. THEY WANT TOWIN. THAT'S ALL THEY CARE ABOUT.

>> Jon: MAYBE I'M TALKINGABOUT IS THE ILLUSION THAT

SOMEBODY GOOD --[LAUGHTER]

I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS CAN'TYOU JUST MAINTAIN THE

ILLUSION --[LAUGHTER]

I HEAR YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

WHAT IS NEXT?

>> WE'RE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE.

>> Jon: NO, I KNOW.

I KNOW.

>> SO THAT'S THE PARTYPRIMARIES.

AND A THIRD THING, I THINK THATOUGHT TO BE DONE IS WE OUGHT TO

INSIST ON THE ASSESSMENT OFPOLICIES BEFORE THEY ARE

IMPLEMENTED.

DO THE ANALYSIS THAT ISREQUIRED.

>> Jon: COULDN'T THERE BE ANUNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCE THERE?

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ASA COMPANY WOULD COMPLAIN

ABOUT ALL THE TRIALS THEY HAVETO GO

TO TO GET A MEDICINE, DOESN'TTHAT AGAIN JUST EMPOWER A SYSTEM

THAT YOU BELIEVE IS UNEFFICIENTTO TACK ON ANOTHER INEFFICIENT

PERIOD. THAT PRE-STUDY PERIODWILL BE POLLUTED BY PARTISAN

POLITICS, IT WILL BEPOLLUTED BY LOBBYISTS,

IT WILL BE POLLUTEDBY CORRUPTION.

IS THERE A WAY TO GET OURCONGRESSIONAL OFFICIALS MORE

FOCUSED ON NOT JUST WRITING THELAWS BUT THINKING ABOUT THEIR

IMPLEMENTATION?

>> WELL, THEY NEED TO READ BOOKSLIKE THIS.

>> Jon: WHICH THIS IS WHAT IKEEP SAYING.

>> YEAH. THEY WON'T READ IT BUTTHEIR STAFF MIGHT READ IT AND

THE STAFF FEEDS IDEAS TOPOLITICIANS.

>> Jon: HAVE YOU MET WITHPOLITICIANS? ARE YOU SOMEONE

THAT IS IN THEIR EAR? DO THEYEVER COME TO YOU

TO TALK ABOUT THISTYPE OF THING?

>> NO. BUT I'D RATHERTALK TO YOU ANYWAY.

>> Jon: THAT'S WHAT I'MTALKING ABOUT.

IT'S A FASCINATING DISCUSSION.I'VE BEEN STUNNED, YOU KNOW,

IT WAS VERY INTERESTING WE HADON SPEAKER PELOSI, WE WERE

TALKING ABOUT, I THOUGHT I WASBRINGING UP A VERY, A SUBJECT

WITH NO CONTROVERSY THAT THERE'STREMENDOUS CORRUPTION WITHIN

OUR CONGRESSIONAL SYSTEM OF YOUKNOW, REVOLVING DOOR TO

LOBBYISTS THAT GO BACK FROMCONGRESS AND CONGRESSIONAL

OFFICES AND BACK AND FORTH.THE FACT THAT THE VOCAL RULES

STARTED OUT AS A PAGE AND ENDEDUP, AS YOU TOLD ME BACKSTAGE,

980 PAGES FILLED WITHCARVE-OUTS, SOME OF WHICH NOW

YOU ARE TELLING ME HAD TO BEPULLED BACK BECAUSE IT TURNED

OUT THEY WERE HURTING SMALLBANKS.

BUT HER RESPONSE WAS REALLYSTUNNING TO ME WHICH WAS YEAH,

NO, THERE'S NONE OF THAT?

>> REALLY?

>> Jon: OH, DUDE. IT WAS,

LIKE MY JAW KIND OF DROPPED.

I THOUGHT -- IT WAS TWO PEOPLEHAVING A VERY DEPARTMENT

CONVERSATION WITH EACH OTHER.

>> IT HELPS TO BE REPRESENTINGSAN FRANCISCO.

>> Jon: HEY! COME ON NOW.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL --

>> I'M LIVING THERE RIGHT NOW.

>> Jon: OH IS THAT REALLY TRUE?

>> IT'S GORGEOUS. BUT NANCYPELOSI --

>> Jon: DON'T TELL ME WE FLEWYOU IN? DID WE FLY YOU IN?

>> YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR IT.>> Jon: WE DIDN'T?

>> YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR IT.>> Jon: BASIC CABLE BABY.

>> BUT ANYWAY, SHE HAS A SAFESEAT. HER SEAT COULD HARDLY

BE SAFER. SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TOWORRY ABOUT BEING REELECTED AND

SHE CAN SAY WHATEVER SHEWANTS.

>> Jon: SHE TRULY SEEMED TOBELIEVE THAT THE FACT THAT THAT

WENT FROM ONE PAGE TO 980 PAGESWAS THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS

SUPPOSED TO WORK.

THAT WAS THE THING THAT STRUCKME.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON INHER HEAD.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: I'M NOT SAYING

NOTHING.

[ LAUGHTER ]WHY GOVERNMENT FAILS SO OFTEN IS

ON THE BOOKSHELVES NOW.

PETER SCHUCK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMINGBY.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

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