Exclusive - Bill de Blasio Extended Interview Pt. 2

  • Aired:  02/03/14
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In this exclusive, unedited interview, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio weighs in on horse carriages, stop-and-frisk policies and fears of liberal chaos. (5:40)

WELCOME BACK WE'RE HERE WITHMAYOR BILL DEBLASIO.

NOW LET'S TALK.

SO ONE OF YOUR FIRST INITIATIVESWAS, YOU SAID YOU ARE GOING TO

CLOSE THE OLD CARRIAGES --HOUSES SO THAT THE HORSES CAN GO

WORK IN SAN FRANCISCO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TOTHEM BUT HOPEFULLY THEY GET

BETTER LIVES SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU SAID DAY ONE -- IT HASN'THAPPENED.

WILL THIS BE YOUR GITMO?

WILL THIS BE, WILL THE CARRIAGEHORSES BE TRAPPED IN THIS LIMBO.

WE'RE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND IHEAR THEIR PLAINTIVE CRIES.

>> THE WATERBOARDING OF THEHORSES HAS TO END.

I REALLY BELIEVE THAT.

>> Jon: THAT'S WISE.

IS IT A DIFFICULT THING TOEXECUTE?

DO YOU HAVE TO?

>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IN AHUMANE SOCIETY, I BELIEVE THIS,

HORSES DO NOT BELONG IN THEMIDDLE OF TRAFFIC OF NEW YORK

CITY, THEY DON'T BELONG IN ANURBAN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS.

IT'S NOT SAFE FOR THEM.

IT'S NOT FAIR WHEN YOU THINKABOUT WHAT THEIR LIVES SHOULD BE

AND WHAT OUR SOCIETY IS LIKE.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> Jon: THIS BRINGS UP AN

INTERESTING POINT.

SHOULD WE EVEN BE LIVING HERE?

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]IS IT A LITTLE -- SOMETIMES I

LOOK AT THEIR STABLE AND I AMLIKE WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT

WOULD GO FOR $1600 A MONTH.

>> YOU USED TO LIVE IN ACARRIAGE I UNDERSTAND.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> Jon: UNDERNEATH THERE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ONE, STOPAND FRISK.

THERE WAS A CHALLENGE -- IT WASRULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

NEW YORK CITY HAD PROFFERED ACHALLENGE TO THAT.

YOU HAVE ENDED THAT.

>> I HAVE.

>> Jon: THERE WILL BE NO STOPAND FRISK.

>> WE'VE COME TO A SETTLEMENT.

>> Jon: WHAT IS THESETTLEMENT?

>> LOOK, WHAT I SAID WAS YOUCANNOT -- IT'S A SIMPLE IDEA,

THE NEW POLICE COMMISSIONER BILLBRATTON IS FANTASTIC.

YOU CAN'T BREAK THE LAW TOENFORCE THE LAW.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]AND WHAT WE HAD FOR YEARS WAS

YOUNG MEN OF COLOROVERWHELMINGLY THEY WERE THE

ONES SINGLED OUT, TREATED ASSUSPECTS EVEN IF THEY HADN'T

DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

STOP AND FRISK IN THE HEYDAYALMOST 700,000 STOPS IN THE YEAR

AND ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THEMWERE INNOCENT PEOPLE, NO

SUMMONS, NO CHARGE, NO NOTHING.

THAT'S NOT HOW YOU PROCEED IN ADEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. I ARGUE THATPUBLIC SAFETY AND CIVILLIBERTIES HAVE TO MARCH HAND IN

HAND. YOU CANNOT SEPARATEOR OPPOSE THE TWO. AND IN THESTOP AND FRISK ERA WE HAD TWODIFFERENT

FORMS OF POLICING THAT'S THEREALITY. DEPENDING ON THE COLOROF YOUR SKIN.

WHAT WE DID THE OTHER DAY WASSETTLED WITH THE CIVIL LIBERTIES

GROUPS AND I WAS STANDING THEREWITH THE POLICE COMMISSIONER AND

LAWYERS FOR THE CITY AND SAID WEWANT TO WORK TOGETHER TO REFORMTHE

SYSTEM SO POLICE AND COMMUNITYCAN COME BACK TOGETHER.

>> Jon: WILL IT CHANGE THEDEEPER ISSUE WHICH IS WHEN SOME

OF THE WHITE KIDS CAUGHT WITHDOPE OR COCAINE OR WHATEVER IT

IS THEY ARE SCAMPS THEY AREGETTING WILD, A BLACK KID IS

CAUGHT WITH THAT HE GOES TOJAIL.

OVERWHELMINGLY IT'SDISPROPORTIONAL IN THAT WORLD.

HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT?

NOT JUST AT ITS POINT OF ENTRYON THE STREET BUT WITHIN THE

COURT SYSTEM AS WELL?

>> A LOT HAS TO CHANGE IN OURLAWS.

I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS BEENON THE RIGHT TRACK TO SAY THE

UNEQUAL LEGAL STANDARDS HAVE TOBE ADDRESSED AND REFORMED.

BUT EVEN HOW WE POLICE.

IN NEW YORK CITY IF YOU WERESTOPPED AND FRISKED AND BROUGHT

EVERYTHING OUT OF YOUR POCKETSAND THERE WAS MARIJUANA.

THE DISPLAY OF MARIJUANA WAS ADIFFERENT CHARGE THAN HAVING ITIN YOUR POCKET.

ONCE IT'S DISPLAYED YOU WEREBREAKING THE LAW AND THE KID IS

SADDLED WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD.WE'VE ENDED THAT AS A MATTER OFPOLICY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO GIVEPEOPLE A CRIMINAL RECORD FOR

DOING NOTHING.

THAT DISPROPORTIONALLY HIT KIDSOF COLOR.

THIS IS ABOUT RETOOLING THEJUSTICE SYSTEM TOWARDS THE

NOTION WE'RE NOT TRYING TOSEND PEOPLE TO JAIL WHO HAVE NOT

DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

>> Jon: HOW FRIGHTENED AREPEOPLE WHEN YOU WALK IN BECAUSETHEY MUST THINK NOW

YOU'RE COMING IN THERE ANDTURNING EVERYTHING UPSIDE DOWN,THE UNCERTAINTY MUST BE

PALPABLE AT CITY HALL.

>> I DON'T WEAR THE CHEGUEVARA T-SHIRT AT WORK.

I'M BLESSED TO HAVE A MANDATEFROM THE PEOPLE TO MAKE

PROGRESSIVE CHANGE.

I TALKED ABOUT THE TALE OF TWOCITIES WE WERE LIVING.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGINGTHE INEQUALITIES THAT BECOME

FUNDAMENTAL AND GROWING IN OURCITY AND GOING AT THEM WHETHER

IT'S INEQUALITY OF HOW POLICINGWAS DONE OR INEQUALITY IN TERMS

OF INCOME OR EDUCATION.

THE PEOPLE ARE READY TO TAKETHAT ON HEAD ON.

YES, THERE ARE BUREAUCRATS ANDOTHERS WHO ARE HESITANT BUT IKNOW THE

POPULAR SUPPORT IS THERE.

>> HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT TOPEOPLE WHO HAVE ENJOYED A MORE

ABSOLUTE POSITION IN THE CITYSOMEWHAT UNASSAILABLE THAT THAT

IS FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE AND NOTPERSECUTION?

HOW DO YOU CONVINCE THEM THATTHE LOSS OF A MORE ABSOLUTE

POWER IS NOT PERSECUTION?

>> IT COMES UP WITH THE PLAN TOTAX THE WEALTHY FOR PRE-K AND

AFTER SCHOOL.

ANYONE WHO MAKES $500,000 ORMORE PAYS MORE IN THE CITY

TAXES.

WHAT DOES IT ALLOW US TO DO?

FULL DAY PRE-K FOR EVERY CHILDIT WOULD BE TRANSCENDENT IN

TERMS OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.WOULD TOTALLY ALLOW US TOPREPARE OUR KIDS PROPERLY.

>> Jon: YOU AND CUOMO AREFIGHTING ABOUT IT.

HE SAYS I'LL PAY FROM THE STATEAND YOU SAY I'LL PAY FROM THECITY

WHY NOT GO 50/50 ON THIS BADBOY?

>> BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW THEMONEY IS THERE YEAR AFTER YEAR.

THE ONLY WAY WE GET THAT IS IFWE TAX THOSE IN THE CITY.

IF WE TAX THOSE WHO MAKE AHALF MILLION OR MORE, THEY CANHANDLE IT.

THE EQUIVALENT FOR SOMEONE WHOMAKES BETWEEN 500,000 AND A

MILLION IS THE PRICE OF A SMALLSOY LATTE AT STARBUCKS ONCE A

DAY.

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