Pervez Musharraf Pt. 2

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Pervez Musharraf believes withdrawing American troops from Afghanistan without first stabilizing the country will give terrorist groups an advantage. (3:07)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE).

>> Jon: WE'RE BACK WITH PERVEZ

MUSHARRAF.

SIR, NOW, OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW,

WE NEED EACH OTHER, CLEARLY WE

NEED EACH OTHER IN THIS REGION,

ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE A PLAN.

AND I REALLY HOPE THAT THIS...

OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT A GENERAL, I'M

NOT INVOLVED IN HIGH-LEVEL

INTELLIGENCE.

(LAUGHTER)

BUT WE MAY BE LEAVING

AFGHANISTAN WITHIN THE NEXT 50

OR 60 YEARS.

(LAUGHTER)

AND IF THAT OCCURS, WHAT IS

PAKISTAN'S INTEREST IN THE

TALIBAN IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT

IS THE SITUATION THAT, AS YOU

SEE IT WITH OUR MAYBE PULLING

BACK A LITTLE BIT?

>> THAT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE TO BE

CONSIDERED, ESPECIALLY TO... IT

WILL HAVE IMPLICATIONS ON

PAKISTAN.

IF YOU QUIT IN 2014, WHATEVER

HAS BEEN DECLARED, OBVIOUSLY THE

BEST STRATEGY FOR THE TALIBAN OR

THE ENEMY, AL QAEDA AND TALIBAN,

IS TO LIE LOW, LET TIME PASS,

AND THEN RISE AGAIN.

SO DECLARING... GIVING A

TIMELINE, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN

SAYING THAT IT OUGHT TO BE

EFFECTED, WHAT EFFECTS DO WE

WANT TO CREATE?

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT TIME RELATED

BECAUSE THEN YOU'LL BE IN THE

HANDS OF THE ENEMY, I WOULD SAY.

AND IF YOU LEAVE IN 2014 WITHOUT

STABILIZING AFGHANISTAN, WHAT

WILL HAPPEN THEN?

WE NEED TO VISUALIZE.

>> WELL, THE PROBLEM IS... THE

DIFFICULTY I THINK FOR AMERICA

IS AFGHANISTAN HASN'T BEEN

STABLE SINCE, I GUESS, HANNIBAL.

(LAUGHTER)

SO THE IDEA THAT WE COULD STAY

THERE...

(LAUGHTER).

THEY DON'T APPEAR TO WANT TO BE

STABILIZED SO I MEAN... I GUESS

THE PROBLEM IS CAN WE REALLY DO

THAT?

CAN WE DO THAT FOR A COUNTRY AND

IS PAKISTAN GOING TO GIVE THEM

THE ROOM THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO

DO THAT OR WOULD THEY PERHAPS

TRY AND HAVE SOME INFLUENCE WITH

THE TALIBAN ADDS WELL?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK

AFGHANISTAN WAS STABLE SINCE

CENTURIES.

>> Jon: WELL, OBVIOUSLY I WAS

BEING HUMERUS.

(LAUGHTER)

... HUMOROUS.

>> THEY HAD AN AGREEMENT.

THE ETHNIC GROUPS DECIDED TO

STAY TOGETHER UNDER THE

MONARCHY.

THE PROBLEMS STARTED 1979 WHEN

THE MONARCH WAS... WHEN THE KING

WAS DEPOSED AND THAT'S WHERE

THIS... WHERE THE WAR THAT THEY

HAD, THAT GLUE THAT HELD THEM

TOGETHER WAS NO MORE THAN THERE

AND THE TROUBLE STARTED WHEN THE

SOVIETS CAME IN.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO

REPAIR NOW.

AND, INDEED, THEY ARE NOT A

COUNTRY WHICH CAN HAVE DEMOCRACY

AS ENOUGH THE UNITED STATES BUT

THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN FORM

OF DEMOCRACY TAILORED TO THEIR

OWN REQUIREMENTS, GOVERNANCE,

TAIL ORRED TO AN AFGHANISTAN

ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE

THERE.

>> WELL, LET'S... WE'RE GOING TO

GO... CAN YOU STICK AROUND FOR

ABOUT FIVE, TEN MINUTES AND WE

CAN TALK ON THE INTERWEBS?

PERVEZ MUSHARRAF.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE.

(CHEERS AND

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