Tim Pawlenty

  • Aired:  01/12/11
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Tim Pawlenty talks about whether or not Republicans believe there's been a fundamental change in government towards tyranny and socialism. (9:30)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT.

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[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: THE SNOW STORM MAKE

YOU FEEL AT HOME?

>> FEEL RIGHT AT HOME.

I GOT THAT SNOW SHOVELING JOKE

EARLIER.

IT WAS GOOD.

>> Jon: I'M QUITE CLEVER.

THE BOOK IS CALLED COURAGE TO

STAND, AN AMERICAN STORY.

I WANT TO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW

THE TRAGIC EVENTS IN ARIZONA

WEIGH HEAVILY ON EVERYBODY'S

MIND.

BEFORE OUR CONVERSATION I WANT

TO MOVE PAST THE IDEA THAT OUR

POLITICAL RHETORIC AND THE

CONTEXT OF NEWS SOMEHOW IS

RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.

BUT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR

POLITICAL RHETORIC AND THE

CONTENT OF NEWS.

REMOVING THAT FROM IT.

>> WITHOUT THE CONTEXT OF THAT

IF WE COULD.

BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE, TO ME,,

YOU KNOW, BRAC -- BARACK OBAMA'S

CRITICS ARE REACTING TO AS

THOUGH HE IS SOMETHING THIS

COUNTRY HASN'T SEEN BEFORE.

A PROMINENT REPUBLICAN TALKING

ABOUT HOW THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL

CHANGE IN OUR SOCIETY.

A MARCH TO TYRANNY.

YOU KNOW, THE LANGUAGE IS AS

THOUGH WE'RE SLIPPING INTO

SOMETHING.

I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU AGREE THAT

THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.

IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO

DESCRIBE IT.

DOES THE RHETORIC MATCH THE

REALITY AND HOW MUCH OF IT --

FORGETTING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES

TO ALL THAT STUFF -- I'M NOT

SAYING THAT.

I'M ASKING YOU, DOES THAT MATCH

WHAT YOU THINK IS HAPPENING?

>> I APPRECIATE YOU FRAMED IT UP

THAT WAY.

THERE'S NO EVIDENCE.

>> Jon: NO, NO NEW YORK CITY.

>>ING -- NO NO NO.

>> IF YOU SAY YOU CAN SAY THIS

OR NOT THAT AND YOU CAN USE THIS

TONE OR THAT TONE.

PRETTY SOON YOU DISCOURAGE,

CHILL, INTIMIDATE.

I CAUGHT MYSELF TODAY TALKING

ABOUT HOCKEY FIGHT AND PUBLIC

POLICY AND MAYBE I SHOULDN'T

BRING THAT UP NOW BECAUSE OF

THIS CONCERN.

WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL FROM A --

>> Jon: I DON'T MEAN IT FROM A

FREE SPEECH STANDPOINT.

I MEAN IT FROM A REALITY

STANDPOINT.

[LAUGHTER]

HONESTLY --

>> THOSE TWO THINGS ARE THEY

CONNECTED.

>> Jon: ARE THEY?

MY QUESTION IS THE REALITY OF

WHAT IS DISCUSSED ON THOSE

THINGS IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF

YOU NEED TO TONE THAT DOWN

BECAUSE YOU WILL UNHINGE PEOPLE,

MY QUESTION IS MORE: IS THAT

REALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING?

IS THE RHETORIC OF THE PARTY

MATCHING?

HERE IS WHY: THIS

ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT APPEAR

TO BE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT

THAN EIGHT YEARS UNDER GEORGE

BUSH.

BUT THE PANIC AND THE REACTION

THAT IT HAS SET OFF DOES SEEM

FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT TO SOME

EXTENT.

>> LET'S GO BACK TO THE BUSH ERA

THERE WAS A LOT OF HAVE IT --

VITROL AND ANGER TOWARDS

PRESIDENT BUSH.

IS IT WORSE?

A DIFFERENT LEVEL?

>>

>> Jon: YES, YES.

I WOULD SAY THERE'S A POLITICAL

MOVEMENT BASED UPON THAT THAT

HAS COME OUT OF THIS BASED ON A

REVOLUTION FETISH, TO SOME

EXTENT.

>> LET ME PUT IT IS THIS WAY JUST

BECAUSE YOU CAN AND DO AND SAY

SOMETHING, DOESN'T MEAN YOU

SHOULD.

WE'VE GOT RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES.

EXERCISE THEM RESPONSIBLY.

BE FAIR AND ACCURATE.

I SAID THINGS AND I GO HOME AT

NIGHT AND SAY I SHOULDN'T HAVE

SAID IT THAT WAY.

WE HAVE TO DO IT RESPONSIBLY.

INFORMED CITIZENRY IS THE KEY TO

DEMOCRACY.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCURATE GOOD

INFORMATION.

WE HAVE RIGHT AND LEFT, A LOT OF

VITRIOL BOTH WAYS.

ALL OF US COULD BENEFIT FROM A

MORE INFORMED DEBATE.

>> Jon: THERE'S NO QUESTION

ABOUT THAT.

>> WHEN YOU WERE THROWING THE F-

EN HIRAMER AROUND HERE I

THOUGHT THAT -- FINHEIMER LRN.

>> Jon: THE F-INHKS EIMER.

IT'S NOT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE

DIVIDE IN THOSE CAMPS MY POINT

IS THIS.

WHY IS THE RIGHT SO FEARFUL

TYRANNY NOW WHEN GEORGE BUSH

EXPANDED EXECUTIVE POWER TO

GREATLY.

NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND HONESTLY

PUT YOURSELF IN THE POSITION

BARACK OBAMA ANNOUNCES NO CHILD

LEFT BEHIND.

AN ENORMOUS FEDERAL MANDATE TO

PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

YOU SUPPORTED IT UNDER BUSH.

WOULD YOU DISAGREE WITH ME THAT

IF BARACK OBAMA SUGGESTED THAT

THERE WOULD BE GLENN BECK WOULD

HAVE PICTURES OF STALIN BEHIND

HIM, GIANT.

HE WOULD BE LEANING IN AND

SAYING WE HAVE BROUGHT UPON US A

TRAGEDY -- THEY WANT OUR

CHILDREN!

[LAUGHTER]

I GUESS MY POINT IS --

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

IT'S NOT ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY.

ISN'T IT A CYNICAL ATTEMPT TO

WHIP UP A VOTING BLOCK OR DO

PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE THERE'S

BEEN A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN OUR

GOVERNMENT TOWARDS TYRANNY AND

SOCIALISM?

>> I'LL ANSWER THAT.

LET ME STEP BACK.

I'M THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE

WHERE THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL

CONVENTION WAS IN 2008.

YOU ALMOST HAD TO PUT --

>> Jon: I WAS THERE.

>> WE HAD TO PUT A MILITARY ZONE

BECAUSE PROTESTERS, MOSTLY ON

THE LEFT WERE YELLING, SCREAMING

EXCRETING A SECURITY AND

PHYSICAL THREAT TO THE

CONVENTION.

THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO ONE SIDE

OR THE OTHER.

>> Jon: IF THE DEFENSE IS

THEY'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO DO IT TOO

THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A

DEFENSE.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CONFLATE

18-YEAR-OLDS WHO HAVE WRITTEN A

NAME ON THEIR ARM WITH NEWT

GINGRICH WORK RUSH LIMBAUGH AND

LEADERS OF REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THAT'S A COP OUT.

WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS

FUNDAMENTALLY DOES THE REMEMBER

PARTY BELIEVE -- REPUBLICAN

PARTY BELIEVE WE ARE AS CLOSE TO

TYRANNY AND SOCIALISM AS THE

TONE OF THEIR RHETORIC WOULD

INSIN YIEWATE?

>> I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF US

IN THE MOVEMENT THAT VIEW

GOVERNMENT AS CROWDS INTO MORE

SPACE THAT USED TO BE

INDIVIDUALS, THAT USED TO BE FOR

PRIVATE MARKETS, THAT USED TO BE

CHARITY AND ENTREPRENEUR

ACTIVITIES, THAT USED TO BE FOR

FAITH ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY

PUSH IN AND SAY WE'LL DO THAT

NOW.

THEY TAKE OVER ONE MORE PIECE OF

WHAT USED TO BE RESERVED FOR

INDIVIDUALS.

THERE'S A LOT OF US WHO SAY THAT

FEELS KIND OF LIKE GOVERNMENT

STEPPING ON US, PUSHING US TO

THE SIDE.

THERE'S A CONTINUUM BETWEEN

LIBERTY AND TYRANNY.

IT SOMETIMES HAPPENS SLOWLY.

IS IT ABOUT THROWING STONES AND

TAKEN OVER BY FORCE?

MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE

GETS NUDGED OUT OF THE WAY.

YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S A

CONTINUUM.

IN MY VIEW --

>> Jon: I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A

CONTINUUM I BELIEVE IT'S A

PENDULUM.

IT TENDS TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH

AT TIMES.

I PROBABLY FEEL THE COUNTRY IS

MORE STABLE THAN WHAT I'M SEEING

FROM THE RHETORIC.

THE POINT THAT IS YET TO BE

ADDRESSED IS WHY THIS

ADMINISTRATION TRIGGERED THIS

IMMUNE RESPONSE AND THE BUSH

ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T WHEN THEY

WERE DOING VERY SIMILAR THINGS.

THE MEDICARE ACT, NO CHILD LEFT

BEHIND, NATIONAL I.D.

THERE WAS A HUGE INCREASE IN

FEDERAL PRECEDENCE THAT DIDN'T

CAUSE THIS EVEN THEY ARE CREEING

IN.

>> I GUESS I WOULD RESPECTFULLY

DISAGREE WHETHER IT'S REALLY

DIFFERENT.

YOU PLAY THE TAPES IN THE PEAK

OR THE LOW POINT DEPENDING ON

YOUR PER INSPECTY OF BUSH YEARS.

SEE THE ANGER AND GO ON OTHER TV

STATIONS AND SEE THEY ARE

DIFFERENT.

BEYOND ALL AFTER THIS -- WHAT

DRIVES ANGER?

WHAT DRIVES ANGER FROM THE RIGHT

OR THE LEFT?

I THINK PART OF IS FEAR.

YOU HAVE TO ASK WHAT ARE PEOPLE

AFRAID OF?

YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID

OF MOSTLY IN THIS COUNTRY?

THEY ARE AFRAID OF LOSING THEIR

JOBS.

THEY CAN'T GET THEIR KIDS TO

COLLEGE.

THEY CAN'T PAY FOR HEALTH CARE

AND THEY ARE TICKED OFF.

THAT'S OKAY AS LONG AS YOU ACT

ON IT.

>> Jon: ARE WE PLAYING TO REAL

FEAR OR ARE WE INVENTING FEARS

TO CREATE THAT DON'T ACTUALLY

ADDRESS WHAT PEOPLE ARE

LEGITIMATELY AFRAID OF?

THERE'S A DISTINCTION.

ARE WE DEALING WITH WHAT IS REAL

OR WHAT IS EXPEDIENT?

>> FOR THOSE PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED,

UNDEREMPLOYED, CAN'T PAY THEIR

BILLS, GETTING FORECLOSUREED

ON -- FORECLOSED ON, CAN'T PAY

HEALTH CARE IT'S REAL.

>> Jon: THAT DOESN'T SOUND

LIKE TYRANNY AND MORE TO DO WITH

WE SHOULD USE EVERY TOOL IN OUR

TOOL BOX SHOULD WE NOT.

IF RAISING TAXES COULD DO ONE

THING, CUTTING ONE PROGRAM COULD

DO SOMETHING BUT ADDING ANOTHER.

IT FEELS LIKE AN IDEA LOGICAL

VACUUM.

WE'RE OVER.

I DON'T WANT TO CREW -- SCREW UP

THE GUYS HERE.

I'LL GO TO COMMERCIAL.

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