Exclusive - Hillary Clinton Extended Interview Pt. 3

  • Aired:  07/15/14
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Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discusses the humanitarian crisis facing Israel and Palestine. (4:25)

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUSPENDING A LITTLE EXTRA TIME

WITH US.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Jon: I KNOW YOU'RE OFF ANDRUNNING.

YOU NEGOTIATED THE PREVIOUSCEASEFIRE BETWEEN HAMAS AND

ISRAEL.>> YES.

>> Jon: BEFORE WE EVEN GET INTOTHE OBVIOUS SNAKE PIT OF LIKE

THESE GUYS ARE RIGHT,THESE GUYS ARE WRONG,

THEY'RE EVIL, THEY'RE NOTEVIL AND THE THING, CAN WE AT

LEAST AGREE THE HUMANITARIANCRISIS IN GAZA IS OVERWHELMING

AND THAT THE WORLD MUST DO MOREFOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE

TRAPPED BY THIS CONFLICT?

>> YES, YES. WELL, AND THEY'RETRAPPED BY THEIR LEADERSHIP.

UNFORTUNATELY IT'S A,IT'S A TWO-PRONGED TRAPPING.

THEY HAVE LEADERSHIP THAT ISCOMMITTED TO RESISTANCE AND

VIOLENCE, AND THEREFORE THEIRACTIONS ARE MOSTLY ABOUT HOW DO

WE GET NEW AND BETTER MISSILESTO LAUNCH THEM AT ISRAEL INSTEAD

OF SAYING, HEY, LET'S TRY TOFIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING

TO HELP MAKE YOUR LIVES BETTER.

AND WHEN I NEGOTIATED THECEASEFIRE IN NOVEMBER OF 2012,

IT WAS RIGHT ON THE BRINKOF ISRAEL ONCE AGAIN

INVADING GAZA BECAUSEOF THE ROCKETS.

AND SO I FLEW FROM CAMBODIAWHERE I WAS WITH THE PRESIDENT

TO TRY TO SEE WHAT I COULD DO.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE ISRAELIS AREABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN SAYING THAT

THEY CAN'T JUST SIT THERE ANDLET ROCKETS RAIN DOWN.

THEY HAVE A MISSILE DEFENSESYSTEM, WHICH IS WORKING WELL,

BUT THAT CAN'T BE CERTAIN, ANDNOW THERE ARE DRONES APPARENTLY

THAT ARE BEING LAUNCHED FROMGAZA.

THEY HAVE TRIED WITH THEPALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, PRESIDENT

ABBAS, TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TOTRY TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOME SORT

OF NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT.

VERY DIFFICULT.

BUT THE HAMAS LEADERSHIP NOWFEELS SOMEWHAT TRAPPED

THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY HAD ANALLY WITH THE MUSLIM

BROTHERHOOD.

I NEGOTIATED THE CEASEFIRE WITHMORSI AND MORSI WAS ABLE TO

CONVINCE THE HAMAS GROUPS TOABIDE BY IT.

HE'S GONE.

AND THE NEW REGIME IN CAIROSEES HAMAS AS A DANGER TO THEM

BECAUSE THEY SEE THEM AS ASOURCE OF INSTABILITY AND

VIOLENCE THAT CAN AFFECT THEM INSINAI AND BEYOND.

SO THEY ARE TRAPPED.

AND THEY'RE TRAPPED, I WOULDARGUE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, BY

LEADERSHIP THAT DOESN'T REALLYWANT TO MAKE THE SITUATION TOO

MUCH BETTER BECAUSE THAT GIVESTHEM A LOT OF LEVERAGE OVER THE

POOR PEOPLE IN GAZA.

>> Jon: DON'T YOU THINK THEYWOULD LOOK AT THAT, THOUGH, AS

THEY'VE GIVEN A LOT OF DIFFERENTTHINGS A CHANCE.

THESE ARE THE ONLY GUYS TO THEMTHAT ARE GIVING ANY RESISTANCE

TO WHAT THEIR CONDITION IS?>> NO.

>> Jon: AND IF YOU'RE LIVING INTHAT SITUATION, COULDN'T YOU SEE

YOURSELF THINKING, THESE ARE OURFREEDOM FIGHTERS, EVEN IF THEY

MIGHT BE VIEWED DIFFERENTLY.

>> WELL JON, I DON'T AGREE WITHTHAT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> YOU KNOW, WHEN ISRAELWITHDREW FROM GAZA, AND I WAS

AWARE OF THAT. IWAS IN THE SENATE.

I WAS TALKING TO THE PEOPLE WHOWERE ORGANIZING IT, THEY LEFT A

LOT OF THEIR BUSINESSES.

THERE WAS A REALLY VERY VALUABLEHORTICULTURAL BUSINESS THAT WAS

SET UP BY THE ISRAELIS WHO HADLIVED IN GAZA, AND THE IDEA WAS

THAT THIS WOULD BE LITERALLYTURNED OVER, MONEY WAS PROVIDED,

THERE WOULD BE A FUND THAT WOULDTRAIN PALESTINIANS IN GAZA TO DO

THIS WORK.

AND BASICALLY THE LEADERSHIPSAID, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING

LEFT FROM ISRAEL, DESTROYED ITALL.

THAT MENTALITY TO ME IS HARD TODEAL WITH.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PALESTINIANAUTHORITY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HARD

FOR THEM, THEY HAVE SAID, WEWANT TO END THE VIOLENCE.

WE WANT TO NEGOTIATE A TWO-STATESOLUTION.

AND WE RECOGNIZE ISRAEL'S RIGHTTO EXIST.

HAMAS HAS NOT AND SAYS IT WILLNOT DO THAT.

SO WE'RE REALLY IN A TERRIBLEDILEMMA.

AND TODAY THERE WAS AN OFFER OFA CEASEFIRE FROM THE EGYPTIAN

GOVERNMENT.

THE ISRAELIS IMMEDIATELYACCEPTED IT.

THE HAMAS LEADERSHIP SAID NO.

SO PART OF WHAT I SEE HAMASDOING IS THEIR IDENTITY COMES

FROM BEING THE VIOLENTRESISTANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE

TRYING TO SOMEHOW SET THEMSELVESAPART FROM ABBAS AND THE FATAH

SEGMENT TO SAY, OKAY, WE WILLTALK WITH, WE WILL DEAL WITH, WE

WILL COOPERATE WITH ISRAELDESPITE OUR DESIRE TO HAVE

A STATE.

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