Exclusive - Erik Prince Extended Interview Pt. 2

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In this exclusive, unedited interview, "Civilian Warriors" author Erik Prince highlights fundamental problems plaguing the U.S. military effort in Iraq. (5:23)

[ APPLAUSE ]>> Jon: WE'RE BACK.

CIVILIAN WARRIORS IS ON THEBOOKSHELVES NOW.

YOU MENTIONED YOU ARE IN THERE,YOU WORK FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND

THEN YOU MOVE ON.

ISN'T THAT ALSO PART OF THEISSUE WITH RELYING LARGE SCALE

ON THESE TYPES OF MORE MERCENARYFORCES IS THAT FOR INSTANCE YOU

ARE NOW DOING BUSINESS WITHOTHER GOVERNMENTS?

>> ALL THAT ACTIVITIESLICENSED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.

>> Jon: UNDERSTAND THAT BUT ITIS NOT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND

SO THE GOALS AND DIRECTIVES THATYOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER MAYHAT

DIVERGEFROM NECESSARILY THE INTERESTS

OF THE UNITED STATES?

>> ALL THOSE FOREIGNACTIVITIES

WOULD BE LICENSED BY THEGOVERNMENT TO FIT IN

ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THE U.S.

POLICY IS.

>> Jon: YOU YOURSELF SAIDTHERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF

CONFUSION BETWEEN DOD, STATE,C.I.A.

EVEN THE C.I.A. CASETHEY HIRE YOU WORK ON THEIR

ASSASSIN PROGRAM.

WHAT IS CODE NAME?

CODE NAME?

>> READ THE LAST CHAPTER OF THEBOOK.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: RIGHT NOW?

[LAUGHTER]>> NO.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

WHAT'S THE NAME OF PROGRAM THEYHIRED YOU TO DO THE

ASSASSINATION PROGRAM?

>> THERE'S A NUMBER OF COVERTACTION PROGRAMS THAT THE COMPANY

OR I SIGNED UP FOR IN OURPROCESS OF SERVING THE COUNTRY.

>> Jon: OKAY SO I'M GOING TOGO WITH OPERATION EAGLE TALON,

HOW ABOUT THAT?

>> SURE.

>> Jon: THEY SIGN YOU UP FORTHIS.

IF THERE'SCONFUSION, WE DON'T KNOW WHO HAS

OVERSIGHT OVER THE C.I.A.

THE IDEA THAT THE C.I.A. HASSUBCONTRACTED TO YOU GUYS YOU

CAN UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE IN THECOUNTRY MIGHT THINK WHAT SORT OF

DARK POOL HAVE WE ENTERED?

>> FROM THE START OFINTELLIGENCE SERVICE WHEN BILL

DONOVAN STARTED IT AS THE OSS INWORLD WAR II HE RECRUITED

CIVILIANS THAT HAD ACCESS ORKNOW-HOW OR SKILLS TO HELP THEIR

COUNTRY THAT PROGRAM HASCONTINUED SINCE THE BEGINNING.

IT'S ONE OF MAJOR SOURCES OFCOLLECTION FOR AMERICA.

YOU NEVER WANT TO GET RID OFTHAT CAPABILITY FOR AMERICANS

TO.

>> Jon: IS IT A QUESTION OFDEGREE?

HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR IN THATDIRECTION?

DID YOU GUYS GET TOO BIG?

I KNOW A LOT OF THESE SEALS --THESE ARE SOME OF THE BEST

PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET IN MY LIFE.

IT'S UPSETTING TO MEET PEOPLETHAT SMART, THAT PHYSICALLY

CAPABLE AND THAT BRAVE -- IDON'T LIKE IT.

SOME ARE VERY FUNNY AND IT'SREALLY ANNOYING.

AND IF I WERE THAT, I WOULDN'TBE SITTING HERE, I TOO, WOULD BE

KICKING ASS AND TAKING NAMES.

THAT BEING SAID, DON'T WE HAVETO BE VERY CAREFUL TO CREATE TOO

LARGE A RELIANCE ON THAT?

YOU STARTED OUT AS A WAY TOTRAIN POLICE FORCES AND OTHER

THINGS.

THE WAR ON TERROR HITS, YOU AREIN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT

TIME AND SUDDENLY YOU BECOMETHIS INCREDIBLY INTEGRAL AND

RATHER LARGE PART OF THE WAR ONTERROR?

>> IT'S A MISNOMER IN TERMSOF HOW LARGE WE ARE.

WE WERE TINY COMPARED TO THELOCKHEEDS, GRUMMAN --

>> Jon: YOU ARE NOT DEALING INWEAPONRY. YOU'RE DEALING IN IN

HUMAN CAPITAL.

AS A FIGHTING FORCE IT WAS QUITEA BIT OF MONEY?

>> WE HAD A LOT OF CAPABILITY.

OUR OWN AIRCRAFT, 73 AIRCRAFT WEDEPLOYED

FOR THE U.S.

>> I WROTE THE BOOK AS AWARNINGROTE THE BOOK AS A

SIGN AS THE NEXT ENTREPRENEURTHAT SAID YES I'LL ANSWER THE

CALL BECAUSE THE HOT AIR INWASHINGTON CAN TURN INTO A

BLAST FURNACE.

TO YOU HAVE A TORTUREBUSINESS --

>> Jon: YOU FEEL YOU GOTBURNED BY THE WASHINGTON ELITE.

YOU DID WHAT YOU WERE HIRED TODO, YOU DID IT HONORABLY.

>> AFTER NASSAR SQUARE AND THERAGE AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR FELL

ON THE CONTRACTORS AND WE WEREKIND OF THE -- AN EASY TARGET

FOR THEM.

>> Jon: WHAT DID YOU THINKWOULD HAPPEN?

I MEAN THAT'S -- YOU KNOW YOUARE A SOPHISTICATED GUY, YOU

UNDERSTAND THE MEDIA CLIMATE.

YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IN A WARZONE, IN A WAR THEATER THINGS

LIKE THIS MORE THAN LIKELY AREGOING TO HAPPEN?

>> WE CERTAINLY KNEW THATBAD THINGS WOULD HAPPEN.

WE FOCUSED OUR EFFORTS ONPROTECTING THE CUSTOMERS FROM

THE ENEMYOR PREPARING THEM TO

FACE THE ENEMY OR SUPPLYINGTROOPS IN TIMES OF NEED.

I GUESS WE DIDN'T PAY ENOUGHATTENTION TO THE FLANKS BEING

THE -->> Jon: I FIND THIS

INTERESTING YOU FEEL SOMEWHATBETRAYED?

>> UM, WHEN THE IRSAGENT COMES TO

YOUR ACCOUNTANT AND SAYS I'VENEVER BEEN UNDER SO MUCH

PRESSURE TO GET SOMEONE AS TOGET ERIK PRINCE.

>> Jon: THAT COULD BE BULL --THEY GOT YOU?

>> PROCTOLOGY EXAM AFTERPROCTOLOGY EXAM.

>> Jon: WHEN I GOT THAT EXAM IREMEMBER THE DOCTOR SAYING TO ME

I NEVER WANTED TO GET ANYBODYMORE THAN I WANTED TO GET ERIK

PRINCE.

I REMEMBER THINKING TO MYSELFTHAT'S WEIRD.

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