Phil Jackson

  • Aired:  05/21/13
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Eleven-time NBA champion Phil Jackson shares his greatest coaching challenge and how he resolved it. (5:52)

>> WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT LEGENDARY

NBA COACH WHO HAS WON 11

CHAMPIONSHIPS AS THE COACH,

TWO AS AN NBA PLAYER.

HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED 11

RING, THE SOLE OF SUCCESS.

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE

PROGRAM MR. PHIL JACKSON.

HOW ARE YOU?

>> WAIT A MINUTE, DO YOU

REALIZE WE'RE THE SAME SIZE

RIGHT NOW.

>> ALL RIGHT, THE BOOK IS

11-- LOOK AT THIS ONE OF

THESE MAKES YOU THE GREEN

LANTERN BUT WHERE-- BUT YOU

HAVE TWO PLAYER RINGS FROM

THE KNICKS.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> WHERE ARE THEY?

>> THEY ARE NOT PART OF

COACHING.

THIS IS ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND

COACHING AND THAT KIND OF

STUFF.

THOSE ARE WARRIORSHIP AND

PLAYING, RIGHT.

>> BUT I AM-- THEY ARE

GREAT.

THEY ARE GREAT RINGS.

>> I HAVE TO SAY, SO MUCH OF

WHAT THIS BOOK IS ABOUT IS

MANAGING NOT THESE JUST

LARGER-THAN-LIFE PHYSICAL

PEOPLE BUT THE

LARGER-THAN-LIFE

PERSONALITIES.

THE CHAPTERS ON THE SHACK

AND KOBE RELATIONSHIP SEEM

ESPECIALLY TENUOUS, THAT

EACH, YOU KNOW, SHAQ AND

COULD BEE BOTH HAVE STRONG

PERSONALITIES T SEEMED LIKE

NAVIGATE FLAG WAS ONE OF THE

BIGGER CHALLENGES.

>> IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF

THE HARDEST CHALLENGES I HAD

IN COACHING OVER ALL THOSE

YEARS, 20 YEARS THAT I

COACHED.

BECAUSE THERE WAS ALWAYS

THIS LITTLE TENSION ABOUT MY

TEAM, IT'S MY TEAM, PLAY

BALL MY STYLE, GET THE BALL

INSIDE, NO, I WANT TO DO

STUFF OUT THAT TYPE OF

THING.

>> Jon: BUT YOU TALK ABOUT

HOW YOU LET IT GO.

THERE IS A VERY -- THE BOOK

IS LACED WITH SORT OF MUTED

TEACHINGS OF SORT OF INNER

PEACE.

YOU SAID LET THEM BURN IT

OUT.

YOU NEVER INTERVENED IN

THEIR SQUABBLE, YOU LET THEM

BURN IT OUT.

HAVE YOU READ THIS BOOK, BY

THE WAY.

>> NO, I WROTE IT.

>> Jon: YOU SEEM SOMEWHAT

UNFAMILIAR WITH IT.

>> THE IDEA IS THAT

BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE

A PARENT, YOU HAVE TWO KIDS,

ARE YOU GOING TO GET

INVOLVED IN EVERY SQUABBLE

THAT HAPPENS IN YOUR HOUSE

THAT THEY-- YOU JUST CAN'T

DO THAT.

YOU WARE YOURSELF OUT TRYING

TO MONITOR ALL THAT.

SO THE BIG STUFF COMES ALONG,

YOU SAVE THE BIG STUFF FOR

THE RIGHT TIME.

>> Jon: YOU JUST SAVED MY

LIFE.

I HAVE TWO LITTLES AT HOME

AND I MONITOR EVERY des

CURRENT SEE.

NOW WHEN YOU WATCH COBE NOW,

ARE YOU TEMPTED TO-- I KNOW

THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK

ABOUT ALL THESE SUPERSTARS,

BUT DOW WATCH THAT, DOW WANT

TO CALL HIM, DO YOU SEND

ADVICE OR ARE YOU JUST

COMPLETELY HANDS-OFF IN

THESE SITUATIONS.

>> NO, IT'S HANDS-OFF.

YOU KNOW, KOBE TEXTED ME A

CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.

WE SEND MESSAGES BACK AND

FORTH.

AND I WILL JUST SAY, YOU

KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU

ARE-- OR THINGS WERE TOUGH,

YOU HAD TO DO SO MUCH WORK

LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, TRYING

TO SCORE, CARRY THE TEAM

WHEN YOU ARE DOWN, WHATEVER.

BUT WE NEVER GET INTO THE

OFFENSIVE END OF STUFF.

YOU KNOW, WE NEVER TALK

ABOUT THE DEFENSE EITHER.

WE JUST LET THE GAME COME

AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE

INDIVIDUAL GAME.

>> RIGHT.

>> SINCE I WAS ALMOST HIRED

BY THE LAKERS AND THEN NOT

HIRED BY THE LAKERS.

>> DID THEY CALL YOU AND TRY

AND GET YOU BECAUSE I WAS

UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT

YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN

COACHING ANY MORE.

>> THAT'S WHAT I TOLD-- THE

GENERAL MANAGER, THAT YOU

KNOW, I WASN'T INTERESTED IN

KOCHK.

BUT OF COURSE I LIVE IN.

WILL AMOUNT OF AND ALL THOSE

PLAYERS THAT WERE ON THE

LAKERS WERE PLAYERS THAT

WERE ON THE TEAM THAT I

COACHED BEFORE.

SO MY FIANCEE SAID WILL YOU

PLEASE LISTEN THEM AND LET

THEM EXPLAIN WHY THEY WANT

YOU TO COACH THE TEAM.

>> WHAT IS HER RELATIONSHIP

TO THE LAKERS, IF YOU MAY?

>> SHE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT

IN CHARGE OF FINANCE.

>> OH.

>> SO YOUR FIANCEE, THE VICE

PRESIDENT IN CHARGE SAYS YOU

SHOULD REALLY LISTEN THE

LAKERS AND YOU SAY HONEY,

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THAT

INTERESTED?

DOES SHE ACCEPT THAT OR DOES

SHE PUT ON HER VICE

PRESIDENT HAT AND TRY AND

CONVINCE YOU.

>> SHE STAYED OUT OF IT SHE

DOESN'T WANT TO BE A PART OF

BASKETBALL.

SHE WANTS TO BE PART-- SHE

ALWAYS SAYS I MAKE THE

MONEY.

THEY SPEND THE MONEY, THAT'S

HER LIFE.

>> SO SHE'S NOT PART OF THE

DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF

BASKETBALL.

>> RIGHT.

>> SHE GETS THE MARKETING

AND THE TICKETS AND THAT

OTHER STUFF.

TV RIGHTS, ET CETERA.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO SHE SAYS WHEN PEOPLE

ASK YOU COULD STILL COACH,

TELL THEM I THINK YOU CAN.

EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T WANT

TO.

>> WAS THERE A NUMBER?

IF THEY HAD HIT A NUMBER

WOULD YOU HAVE SAID ACTUALLY

I AM SOMEWHAT INTERESTED?

>> NO, I AM SUCH A FOOL, I

SAID MONEY'S NOT A PROBLEM.

>> SU DID SAY THAT.

>> YES.

>> Jon: ARE YOU A FOOL.

YOU'RE NOT, WHAT ABOUT THE

KNICKS, WOULD YOU EVER THINK

ABOUT COMING BACK-- WHAT

ABOUT THE NETS THEY ARE

LOOKING FOR A GUY.

>> THEY CALLED AND I SAID NO

THANK YOU.

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN

COACHING.

>> Jon: BUT SEE WHEN YOU SAY

THAT, BEHIND YOUR EYES IS

I'M INTERESTED IN COACHING.

LIKE YOU'RE NOT-- YOU'RE

SAYING TO ME I'M NOT

INTERESTED IN COACHING BUT

YOUR MUSTACHE SAYS GET ME ON

THE COURT.

YOU'RE NOT-- YOU SEE WHAT I

AM SAYING?

I DON'T BELIEVE IT I DON'T

BELIEVE IT.

>> YOU KNOW, MY HEAD MAYBE

INTERESTED IN COACHING BUT

MY BODY CAN'T TAKE IT

ANYMORE RZ REALLY, IT'S

GRUELING.

>> IT IS GRUELING, REAL

GRUELING RZ NO, I COULD SEE

THAT AND THE TRAVEL AND UP

AND DOWN, 82 GAME SEASON

THAT IS NO EASY PEASSY.

BUT IT IS STILL GOOD TO KNOW

YOU ARE INTERESTED IN

COACHING.

11 LINGS, THIS MAN HAS, TWO

AS A PLAYER.

ON THE BOOK SHELVES NOW,

GOOD WISDOM, PHIL JACKSON,

EVERYBODY.

>> THANK YOU.

(APPLAUSE)

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