Exclusive - Ray Kelly Extended Interview Pt. 1

  • Aired:  02/05/13
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In this exclusive, unedited interview, New York City police commissioner Ray Kelly discusses New York's illegal gun sources and the efficacy of background checks. (6:53)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THE POLICE COMMISSIONER OF NEW YORK CITY.

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, COMMISSIONER RAY KELLY.

SIR, HOW ARE YOU SIR?

[ APPLAUSE ]

NICE TO SEE YOU.

BATMAN.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> GREAT TO BE HERE.

LONGTIME FAN.

DID YOU KNOW?

[LAUGHTER]

AGAINST THE LAW.

JUST A WARNING THIS TIME.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> Jon: CUFF IT IT'S THE FUZZ.

HOW ARE YOU?

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS.

WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF TIME BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE FIGHTING CRIME.

THE FIRST THING IS GOING TO BE GUNS.

THERE'S A HUGE DISCUSSION ON GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE LOBBY GROUPS AND ADVOCACY GROUPS, NOT A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, SEEMS LIKE THEY

SHOULD BE THE FOCUS OF DISCUSSION RATHER THAN NOT.

IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT THE?

IS LAW ENFORCEMENT NOT ALLOWED OR PERMITTED TO TAKE A PUBLIC STAND ON WHAT THEY MIGHT FAVOR

FOR GUN ISSUE?

>> THE THINK THE BIG ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT ABOUT IT.

YOU SAW THE PRESIDENT YESTERDAY IN MINNESOTA WITH A GROUP OF POLICE OFFICERS.

SO I THINK PARTS ARE ENGAGED, MAYBE NOT SPEAK AS LOUD AS WE COULD.

CHUCK RAM SI HAS BEEN THE HEAD OF AGENCY HAS BEEN ARTICULATE AND OUTSPOKEN.

LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS A PERSONAL CONCERN ABOUT GUNS AND GUN SAFETY.

POLICE OFFICERS, OVER 150 A YEAR.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SHOT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

TOES A MAJOR CONCERN CERTAINLY IN URBAN AMERICA.

THAT'S HOW PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED AND POLICE OFFICERS ARE ON THE ONES THAT CONFRONT PEOPLE

WITH GUNS EVERY DAY.

EVERY DAY IN THIS CITY CERTAINLY.

>> Jon: THEY KEEP SAYING, IT ISN'T A QUESTION OF ASSAULT RIFLES, IT'S AN EPIDEMIC OF

HANDGUNS IN NEW YORK CITY.

>> ANY MAJOR CITY QUITE FRANKLY.

IT'S A CONCEALABLE WEAPON KILLING PEOPLE.

ASSAULT WEAPONS, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED BUT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR LESS THAN 2%

OF THE SHOOTINGS IN THE CITY.

>> Jon: NEW YORK CITY AND A LOT OF MAJOR CITIES HAVE RELATIVELY STRICT HANDGUN LAWS.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: WHY IS IT THAT THOSE ARE NOT WORKING TO STEM THE TIDE?

IS IT BECAUSE ANY OTHER PLACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE LAWS ARE THE ONES FEEDING THEM?

>> PRECISELY.

90% OF THE GUNS COME FROM OTHER STATES.

THE IRON PIPE LINEUP 95.

SOUTHERN STATES FOR THE MOST PART.

YOU CAN HAVE STRICT LAWS HERE.

GOVERNOR CUOMO SIGNED PROBABLY THE STRICTEST LAWS IN THE COUNTRY.

IF EVERYBODY HAD THAT, IT'S FINE.

EVERYBODY DOES NOT HAVE IT AND AS A RESULT GUNS CAN BE PURCHASED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

>> Jon: CAN YOU TRACE THEM?

SAY SOMEBODY BUYS A GUN IN FLORIDA, SOUTH CAROLINA, WHEREVER IT'S AND COMING UP 95

TO US.

IT'S USED IN A CRIME.

WHEN YOU GET THAT GUN ARE YOU ABLE TO TRACE THAT BACK TO WHERE THEY BOUGHT IT?

>> WITH SOME DIFFICULTY.

ATF, DOES THAT, BUT THEY ARE LIMITED.

THEY DO NOT HAVE AND CANNOT HAVE, AS A RESULT OF CONGRESSIONAL DIRECTION, A DATABASE THAT DOES THAT SO THEY

CALL THE MANUFACTURERS.

IT'S A VERY LABORIOUS AND TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO TRACE A GUN.

>> Jon: IF WE COULD INSTITUTE JUST A TRACING FOR THAT, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT HELP LAW

ENFORCEMENT AND WHAT CAN YOU DO IF YOU FIND OUT -- I HEARD A STATISTIC THAT THE OVERWHELMING

MAJORITY OF ILLEGAL GUNS COME FROM 1% OF DEALERS.

1% OF DEALERS ARE PLACING SO MANY OF THESE ILLEGAL GUNS INTO INNER CITIES.

>> RIGHT.

MAYOR BLOOMBERG FUNDED AN OPERATION WHERE HE HAD PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS GO TO VARIOUS

STATES AND SEE THEM, FILM THEM VIOLATING THE LAWS.

IF YOU ARE ABLE TO TRACE THEM MORE ACCURATELY, PERHAPS WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

BUT WOULD IT --

>> Jon: BLOOMBERG DID THIS?

HE FUNDED THIS?

WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR THAT?

[LAUGHTER]

IF COULD YOU HAVE ONE THING, WOULD IT BE A REGISTRY?

WHAT WITH BE THE MOST EFFICIENT, BEST THING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HAVE OR IS THERE NOT ONE

THING IT'S A LARGE -- WHAT WOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE?

>> THERE'S NO MAGIC BULLET HERE.

THERE'S NO QUICK ANSWER.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> OR ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

I THINK THE UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

THE PRESIDENT SAY MAJOR PROPONENT OF THAT.

IT WILL CUT DOWN ON STRAW PURCHASES.

OVER SIX MILLION GUNS A YEAR ARE SOLD WITHOUT ANY BACKGROUND CHECKS.

IT WILL CERTAINLY EAT INTO THAT NUMBER.

IS IT THE PAN C.I.A., NO, BUT KIT MAKE A DIFFERENCE -- IT CAN MAKE A CONFERENCE.

>> Jon: THE HOLLOW POINT, THINGS ONLY USED FOR THE MILITARY APPLICATION, THOSE ARE

THE OTHER THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE DONE.

>> YES.

THESE ARE ALL HEAVY LIFTS.

IT'S NOT EASY TO DO.

IF NEW YORK NEW YORK STATE YOU HAVE TO G TO A REGISTERED AMMUNITION DEALER AND YOU NEED A CHECK TO

BUY AMMUNITION.

>> Jon: HAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK TO ENFORCE THE LAWS AND TO STEM THE FLOW OF ILLEGAL GUNS,

ANY TALK THAT ONCE YOU GET THAT LIST YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO HOUSE TO HOUSE AND TAKE ALL LAW

ABIDING CITIZENS WEAPONS, THEIR GUNS, KNIVES YOU THINK ARE TOO LARGE, IN KIND OF MALLET AND

TAKE THAT SO PEOPLE WILL LIVE UNDER TYRANNY.

HAS THAT BEEN A DISCUSSION?

>> NO.

>> Jon: WOULD YOU TELL ME.

>> YOU'D BE THE FIRST TO KNOW.

>> Jon: YOU FEEL THERE ARE EFFICIENT MEASURES TO TAKE THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY OVERSTEP.

>> THERE ARE 300 MILLION GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE THERE.

THE SUPREME COURT DECISION COLUMBIA VERSUS HELLER MAKES CERTAIN THAT THE SECOND

AMENDMENT IS GOING BE ALIVE AND WELL.

>> Jon: AS WELL IT SHOULD BE BUT WE HAVE TO BE REASONABLE ABOUT THE ILLEGALALITY.

CAN YOU STICK AROUND -- IS THERE A CRIME GOING ON RIGHT NOW?

>> I HOPE NOT.

>> Jon: HOPEFULLY SPIDERMAN OR BATMAN IS THERE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT

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