Jon Ronson

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Jon Ronson recalls interviewing a psychopath living with his mother in Queens, who pretended to cry. (6:05)

WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST GUEST TONIGHT IS THE

INTERNATIONAL BEST SELLING

AUTHOR OF THE MEN WHO... HIS

NEW BOOK IS CALLED THE

PSYCHOPATH TEST.

THE JOURNEY THROUGH THE

MADNESS INDUSTRY.

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM

JOHN RON SEN.

>> Jon: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

BEING HERE.

WE'RE ALL HUGE FANS OF YOURS.

WE'RE DELIGHTED THAT YOU COULD

BE HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.

>> Jon: THE PSYCHOPATH TEST.

WHY, JOHN, WHY?

WHY WOULD YOU PUT YOURSELF IN

THE WAY OF PSYCHOPATHS?

>> ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I'M A

VERY ANXIOUS PERSON.

I SUFFER WITH DEBILITATING

ANXIETIES TO HANG OUT WITH

PEOPLE WHO BASICALLY WANT TO

KILL ME.

I'M THE NEURO LOGICAL OF THE

PSYCHOPATH.

THE PSYCHOPATH KNOWS NO

ANXIETY AND I FEEL TOO MUCH

ANXIETY.

PSYCHOPATH ARE PEOPLE WHO

COULD PROBABLY....

>> Jon: THANKED GOD.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING HOST

ON THAT ONE.

WHEN YOU'RE WITH A PSYCHOPATH,

DOES HE RECOGNIZE HIS POLAR

OPPOSITE?

DOES HE... IS IT LIKE YOU KNOW

THAT MOVIE BRUCE WILLIS AND

SAMUEL L.JACKSON, THE SUPER

HERO HAS TO HAVE A NEMESIS.

DO THEY SEE YOU AS THEIR

NEMESIS?

>> THEY SEE ME AS THEIR PLAY

THING.

>> Jon: OH, GEEZ.

>> THERE'S A FANTASTIC GUY IN

UPSTATE NEW YORK WHO USED TO

BE THE HEAD OF THE HAITIAN

DEATH SQUAD.

HE'S NOW IN PRISON FOR

INSURANCE FRAUD IN UPSTATE NEW

YORK.

HE GOT AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE HE

WAS WORKING FOR THE C.I.A..

>> Jon: THANK GOD FOR SAYING

HE'S IN PRISON.

NOW I JUST FELT LIKE REAL

HE'LL UPSTATE NEW YORK?

HE'S JUST UP THERE.

>> IT'S ALL RIGHT.

12 TO 37 YEARS FOR INSURANCE

FRAUD SO YOU'RE OKAY.

MORE IMPORTANTLY I'M OKAY.

WHEN I TURNED UP, HE SAID... I

WAS SO EXCITED.

EVERYONE WOULD SAY WOW YOU

WON'T BELIEVE IT.

I PUT ON A SPECIAL GREEN

SHIRT.

I GOT MY HAIRCUT.

I WAS THINKING, OH, MYED GOD,

I COME TO FIND OUT THIS GUY IS

A PSYCHOPATH AND HE'S SO

EXCITED ABOUT MEETING ME.

I DON'T REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO

LIKE ME.

I WAS THINKING THIS ISN'T VERY

PSYCHOPATHIC.

I'VE DRIVEN SIX HOURS FROM NEW

YORK AND HE'S NOT BEING VERY

PSYCHOPATHIC.

FINALLY I SAID TO HIM ISN'T

THAT A KIND OF WEAKNESS THAT

YOU REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO LIKE

YOU?

HE SAID IT'S NOT A WEAKNESS.

I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

I SAID WHY?

BECAUSE IF YOU CAN GET PEOPLE

TO LIKE YOU, YOU CAN

MANIPULATE THEM TO DO WHATEVER

YOU WANT THEM TO DO.

>> Jon: PSYCHOPATH.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: HOW LONG DID IT TAKE

YOU TO GET HIM TO REVEAL THE

FACE OF THE PSYCHOPATH?

>> ABOUT THREE HOURS.

I MET HIM ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO.

>> Jon: WHEN HE WAS NOT IN

PRISON.

>> HE WAS LIVING WITH HIS

MOTHER IN QUEENS.

HE DID THIS DEAL....

>> Jon: REALLY?

>> HE DID A DEAL WITH THE

AMERICAN GOVERNMENT THAT THEY

WOULDN'T EXPEDITE HIM TO HAITI

TO STAND TRIAL FOR WAR CRIMES

BUT HE HAD TO LIVE WITH HIS

MOTHER IN QUEENS.

HE WASN'T ALLOWED TO GO INTO

MANHATTAN.

HE WOULD CRY AND HAD A MISTY-

EYED LOOK ON HIS FACE.

ANYHOW, I MET HIM THEN.

AT ONE POINT DURING THE

INTERVIEW 15 YEARS AGO HE

STARTEDED PRETENDING TO CRY.

YOU KNOW, I'M INNOCENT OF ALL

THE CRIMES.

HE WAS LIKE CRYING BUT IT WAS

LIKE KIND OF PRETENDING TO

CRY.

IT SEEMED LIKE A VERY ODD, YOU

KNOW, AT THE TIME I WAS

THINKING, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING

WITH THIS GUY BECAUSE WE'RE

NOT CONNECTING ON ANY KIND OF

HUMAN LEVEL.

LATER WHEN I WAS THINKING, WOW,

IS IT TRUE THAT PSYCHOPATHS

RULE THE WORLD WHICH IS WHAT

PSYCHOLOGISTS BELIEVE, WHICH

IS WHAT THE BOOK IS ABOUT,

THAT BASICALLY THE BRAIN

ANOMALY THAT PSYCHOPATHS

SUFFER FROM IS THE BRAIN

ANOMALY THAT AFFECTS US ALL.

>> Jon: TALKING ABOUT THE BOOK

I WAS EXPECTING EVERYTHING TO

BE THE GUY WHO HAS THE BODIES

BURIED IN THE BACKYARD.

IT'S VERY PREVALENT AND YOU

WORK WITH THEM.

THEY ARE... ONE OUT OF 100

PEOPLE.

>> ONE OUT OF 100 PEOPLE,

REGULAR PEOPLE WALKING AROUND

ARE PSYCHOPATHS.

SAY PSYCHOLOGISTS.

25% OF THE PRISON POPULATION

ARE PSYCHOPATHS.

BUT 4% OF CORPORATE CHIEFS ARE

PSYCHOPATHS.

>> Jon: NOW ONCE YOU KNOW WHAT

A PSYCHOPATH IS, HOW DO YOU

NOT WITH EVERYBODY THAT YOU

MEET PLAY THE PSYCHOPATH GAME

TO FIND OUT IF... IS THIS

PERSON HUMAN OR PRETENDING TO

BE HUMAN TO MANIPULATE ME TO

GET WHAT HE WANTS.

>> BECOMING DRUNK WITH POWER

ON TWITTER AND PEOPLE WHO GIVE

ME BAD REVIEWS.

YOU KNOW....

>> Jon: YOU SEE THEM

EVERYWHERE.

>> I STARTED SEEING THEM

EVERYWHERE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS

LOT WITH PEOPLE.

LUCKILY I WAS JUST A KIND OF

SELF-REFLECTIVE AUTHOR BUT

CRIMINAL PROFILERS WHO POLICE

BELIEVE AND ATTORNEYS AND

PAROLE HEARINGS AND SO ON.

>> Jon: EVERYWHERE.

>> THAT'S WHEN IT GETS KIND OF

DANGEROUS.

THE PSYCHOPATH TEST IS THIS 20-

POINT CHECKLIST.

>> Jon: TOUGH TAKE THE TEST.

I TOOK THE TEST.

I'M HAPPY TO REPORT I'M JUST

NEUROTIC.

I'M TELLING YOU, WHAT THIS MAN

HAS GIVEN TWO YEARS OF HIS

LIFE TO DO, IT WOULD BE LIKE

WRITING A BOOK IF YOU'RE

DEATHLY AFRAID OF SPIDERS.

YOU'VE DONE AN AMAZING SERVICE

AND PUT YOURSELF THROUGH THE

TEST, SIR.

YOU ARE THE HIGHLANDER.

THE PSYCHOPATH TEST IS ON THE

BOOK SHELVES NOW.

GET AHOLD OF IT.

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