Jay-Z

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Jay-Z recalls when rap was viewed as a fad, then a scapegoat for everything in America. (5:37)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT MUSIC ARTIST,

BUSINESSMAN ALSO AN AUTHOR.

HIS BOOK IS CALLED "DECODED."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM

JAY-Z.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: HOW ARE YOU?

>> GREAT, THANK YOU.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: THIS IS THE BOOK.

"DECODED."

THE IDEA BEING PEOPLE SEE MANY

THINGS WHEN THEY SEE YOU.

>> MULTIPLE LEVELS AND DEEP

MEANING AND OTHER MEANINGS TO

THE SONG AND EVERYTHINGED INSIDE

IT.

YOU ARE SHARP.

[LAUGHTER]

>> Jon: I DID JUST GIVE AWAY

THE END SOMETHING IN.

[LAUGHTER]

WHAT DO YOU -- SO -- DO YOU

WORRY ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF

YOU IN ANY WAY OR DO YOU THINK

THAT THEY SEE YOU IN ALL THESE

DIFFERENT WAYS?

IS THERE A WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO

BE SEEN?

>> NO, I DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.

THE BASIS OF THIS IS BOOK I CARE

ABOUT THE CULTURE AND ABOUT RAP

AND IT BEING A RESPECTABLE FORM

OF ART.

SO THE BOOK IS SURROUNDING SONGS

BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT A GENERATION

OF KIDS.

WE GREW UP AROUND THE SAME TIME

AS RAP.

RAP IS 30 SOMETHING YEARS OLD.

WE GREW UP AROUND THAT TIME.

THERE WAS WHOLE THINGS GOING ON

REAGAN OMICS AND CRACK AND OTHER

THINGS.

THERE'S A CONTEXT NWA AND

(bleep) THE POLICE WITHOUT

SEEING THE RODNEY KING BEATING

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY

ARE SAYING WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

>> Jon: IT MAY SEEM EXTREME.

>> IT'S A BIT EXTREME.

>> Jon: EXACTLY.

LA OF LAUGH.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: DO YOU FEEL LIKE IN

TAKING THAT ANALOGY FURTHER THAT

AS RAP GROWS UP THEY GO FROM

(bleep) THE POLICE TO WHERE

THE (bleep) ARE YOU POLICE?

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>> YEAH.

THERE'S A SONG CALLED 911 IT'S A

JOKE.

IT'S SAYINGS WHERE THE POLICE.

>> Jon: ON THE OTHER WAY OF

SAYING NOW YOU HAVE A BURGLAR

ALARM.

>> THAT WAY, YEAH.

>> Jon: YOU GO FROM A MORE

ANTIAUTHORITARIAN STANCE TO YOU

ARE THE ESTABLISHMENT TO

SERIOUSLY THOUGH WE SHOULD HAVE

YELLOW TAPE AROUND THIS --

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: IS THAT A STRANGE

POSITION TO FIND YOURSELF?

>> YEAH.

[LAUGHTER]

AH, YEAH.

EVEN OUTSIDE OF -- IT'S BIGGER

THAN ME THE INDIVIDUAL.

IT'S JUST A THING THAT SAVED MY

LIFE.

EVEN IF I'M IN A COMFORTABLE

SITUATION AND I WANT THE POLICE

AROUND, I KNOW THAT THERE'S --

THERE ARE NO POLICE IN THIS

NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE REST OF

EVERYONE ELSE.

I HAVE TO SPEAK TO THOSE ISSUES

UNTIL THEY ARE CORRECTED FOR ALL

OF US.

>> Jon: DO YOU WORE DWLAI RAP

RAP -- WORRY THAT RAP -- I'VE

NEVER SEEN RAP AS A FORM THAT

WASN'T RESPECTED.

THE RAP FORM THAT IS.

EVERY ART FORM HAS THE PIE IN

THE FACE MORE LOW BROA BUT

THERE'S ALWAYS THE POET.

IT'S LIKE THE EMBODIMENT OF

RICHARD PRYOR.

HE STARTED OUT NOT TALKING ABOUT

HIS REAL LIFE.

HE GREW INTO AN ARTIST AND BEGAN

TO EXPLORE HIMSELF.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE STORY OF RAP

IS THAT SAME STORY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE THING ABOUT RAP IS IT'S

DISMISSIVE.

IT WAS VIEWED AS A FAD.

THEN IT BECAME A ESCAPE

ESCAPE --SCAPEGOAT FOR

EVERYTHING IN AMERICA.

GUYS THAT GOT PULLED OVER.

WHY IS THAT WEED IN YOUR CAR?

>> Jon: AS A JEW, I WANT TO

THANK YOU FOR THAT?

IF I MAY --

[LAUGHTER]

-- WHEN YOU GUYS CAME ALONG, I

HAVE TO TELL YOU, REALLY TOOK A

LITTLE HEAT OFF OUR SHOULDERS

QUITE FRANKLY.

WELL DONE.

[LAUGHTER]

IS IT, YOU KNOW, I WONDER IF THE

PERCEPTION IN THE RAP COMMUNITY

THAT THEY WERE BEING BLAMED FOR

ALL THE ILLS AND IS THAT -- WAS

IT REALLY LIKE THAT OR WAS YOUR

PERSPECTIVE SKEWED BECAUSE YOU

WEREN'T EXPECTING TO BE ATTACKED

FOR AN ART FORM WHERE YOU WERE

EXPRESSING YOURSELF.

>> YEAH, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE WE

WERE -- I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT

ALL RAP BECAUSE SOME OF IT IS

(bleep) AND SOME OF IS IT

GREAT.

[LAUGHTER]

GREAT RAP, YOU KNOW GREAT -- I'M

TALKING ABOUT PROVOCATIVE GREAT

RAP WAS BASED UPON REAL LIFE

SUBJECTS AND EMOTIONS AND THINGS

LIKE THAT.

IT WAS ALMOST LIKE BEING

ATTACKED FOR SAYING THINGS THAT

IS HAPPENING ANYWAY WHETHER RAP

EXISTED OR NOT THESE THINGS WERE

GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY DAILY.

>> Jon: WAS IT A VICTIM OF ITS

OWN SUCCESS?

>> NO PUN INTENDED.

>> Jon: WAS IT A VICTIM OF ITS

SUCCESS IN THE MARKETPLACE THAT

BECAUSE IT BECAME A FORCE

SOMEONE TO TO MITIGATE THE

MESSAGEth THEN IT BECAME A

THING YOU RAN ON.

WE HAD REVERENDS IN OUR

COMMUNITY DRIVING BULLDOZERS

OVER THE CDS.

TO LIKE OKAY.

>> Jon: DO THEY REALIZE THEY

HAD TO BUY THOSE TO DRIVE OVER.

DO YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTE?

>> SURE.

>> Jon: I WANT TO TALK TO YOU

ABOUT SOME THINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMERCIAL

AND WE'LL TALK TO JAY-Z FOR A

LITTLE BIT.

I KNOW HE IS A BUSY MAN.

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