Michael Steele

  • Aired:  08/17/11
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MSNBC's Michael Steele discusses the GOP's movement toward institutionalization and wants establishment Republicans to stop trying to widen the presidential field. (7:38)

MY GUEST TONIGHT, FORMER CHAIR

OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL

COMMITTEE, HE'S CURRENTLY

POLITICAL ANALYST FOR MSNBC,

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE

PROGRAM MICHAEL STEELE.

[APPLAUSE]

SIR, NICE TO SEE YOU.

NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO BE HERE, MAN.

>> Jon: THANK GOD.

THE PUPPET WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO

BOOK THIS TIME.

GETTING YOU HERE IS MUCH

PREFERABLE.

>> IT'S A LOT EASIER, BUT HE

SENDS HIS BEST.

>> Jon: I DID NOT REALIZE THAT

YOU WERE HANGING OUT.

>> I LEFT HIM ON THE CHAIR.

HE WAS HAVING A LATTE.

>> Jon: I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS A

LIBERAL.

A LATTE?

REALLY?

>> WE KIND OF BALANCE EACH

OTHER.

>> Jon: I UNDERSTAND.

SO HOW ARE YOU... ARE YOU

FEELING A WEIGHT OFF YOUR

SHOULDERS TO NOT BE THE RNC

CHAIR DURING THIS TIME OF TUMULT

WITH ALL THE REPUBLICAN

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES?

HOW DO YOU FEEL?

>> I FEEL GOOD TO HAVE THE

WEIGHT OFF, BUT I REALLY LIKE

THE ENGAGEMENT AND WOULD LIKE TO

BE A PART OF MAKING SURE THAT WE

PUT FORTH THE BEST CANDIDATE,

THE BEST FOOT, THE BEST MESSAGE

TO GO TOE TO TOE AND HAVE THE

FOLKS OUT THERE MAKE A CHOICE

NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT

BOILS DOWN.

TO IT'S REALLY PHILOSOPHICAL

DIFFERENCES TACT DIRECTION THE

COUNTRY GOES NEXT.

IS IT ONE THAT IS CENTERED

AROUND A GOVERNMENT ORYENGTDED

STRATEGY OR ONE THAT'S A PRIVATE

SECTOR STRATEGY OR IS THERE A

HYBRID THERE THAT WE CAN WORK

WITH?

>> Jon: A HYBRID?

>> YEAH.

IMAGINE THAT.

>> Jon: SOME KIND OF... NOW,

APPARENTLY THE HYBRID, THOUGH,

IS UNACCEPTABLE.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE

REPUBLICAN FIELD THAT WOULD

ALLOW A HYBRID BECAUSE

APPARENTLY ANY TYPE OF

PRIVATE-PUBLIC HYBRID, MUCH LIKE

STEM CELLS, IS...

>> THE REALITY IS COVER FINANCE

IS ABOUT CREATING THOSE HYBRIDS,

THOSE MOMENTS WHERE YOU TAKE THE

PHILOSOPHY AND THE REALITY AND

MERGE THEM TOGETHER THROUGH A

POLICY THAT DOES WHAT YOU HOPE

WILL BE THE BEST THING FOR THE

PEOPLE.

I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE

REPUBLICAN SIDE OF IT...

>> Jon: WHEN DO YOU THINK

THEY'LL THEN GOVERN IN REALITY.

>> THAT'S THE QUESTION.

WE'RE STILL WAITING.

>> Jon: OH, OKAY.

FAIR ENOUGH.

>> WE'RE STILL WAITING.

REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.

>> Jon: THE REPUBLICANS SEEM

ANXIOUS TO JUST KEEP GETTING

MORE PEOPLE IN THERE.

YOU KNOW, BOSTON HAD THIS BIG

WEEKEND.

RICK PERRY, EVERYONE WAS ALL

EXCITED TO HAVE HIM THERE THERE.

THEY'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT

PAUL RYAN AND CHRIS CHRISTIE.

>> CAN WE STOP THE NOISE ON THAT

ALREADY?

THE REALITY IS THIS FIELD IS

SET.

YOU HAVE THE TOP TIER.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HEARD

THAT TERM IN THE PAST WEEK.

BUT YOU HAVE THE THREE FOLKS

THAT WILL BE LEADING THE CHARGE.

YOU HAVE HERMAN CAIN AND NEWT

GINGRICH, WHO I THINK DID

HIMSELF REALLY WELL IN THE LAST

DEBATE IN TERMS OF LAYING OUT

SOME POLICY.

>> Jon: SO NEWT GINGRICH IS

STILL RUNING?

>> HE'S STILL RUNNING, BELIEVE

IT OR NOT.

HE'S STILL RUNNING.

BUT I THINK THIS CONVERSATION BY

A LOT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT TYPE,

PARTICULARLY IN WASHINGTON...

>> Jon: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS.

>> KARL ROVE OR THE "WALL STREET

JOURNAL," THEY NEED TO CUT THAT

NOISE OUT...

>> Jon: THEY'RE NOT SATISFIED.

>> TOO BAD.

GET OVER IT.

THE REALITY IS THESE ARE THE

FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE

RUNNING.

ALL THOSE OTHER INDIVIDUALS ARE

NOT GOING TO GET INTO THIS RACE

AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY HAVE

TO GET ON THE BALL YACHT IN 50

STATES, AND THAT'S A PROCESS

THAT TAKES TIME.

THEY HAVE TO RAISE MONEY.

THEY HAVE TO PUT THE

ORGANIZATION IN PLACE, AND IF

THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT BY NOW,

PARTICULARLY WITH PERRY,

BACHMANN AND ROMNEY, IT'S NOT

GOING TO HAPPEN.

VAUGHN JON FROM WHAT I

UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO,

AND I'M NOT AN ELECTION LAW

SPECIALIST OR LITIGATOR, BUT

APPARENTLY IF YOU HAVE A ONE

NATION BUS AND YOU'RE SARAH

PALIN, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO JUST

DRIVE.

EVEN ON INAUGURATION DAY, JUST

DRIVE RIGHT IN AND SAY, I'LL

TAKE IT FROM HERE.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Jon: FROM WHAT I

UNDERSTAND.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> YOU MENTIONED KARL ROVE.

THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING THING.

FOR MANY YEARS KARL ROVE WAS A

SACRED HOLY MAN IN THE

REPUBLICAN...

>> REALLY?

>> DURING THE BUSH

ADMINISTRATION...

>> NOT MY HOLY MAN.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

>> Jon: I THOUGHT HE WAS

CONSIDERED THE... THEY REFERRED

TO HIM AS THE ARCHITECT OF

THE...

>> IS THAT REALLY IT?

>> YEAH, BUT ARE... WHY DO YOU

THINK HE IS NOT FINDING THESE

CANDIDATES ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE

THEY SEEM TO BE UTILIZING

STRATEGIES AND POLICIES THAT HE

WOULD APPROVE OF?

>> YOU WOULD THINK.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU

LOOK AT SOMEONE LIKE RICK PERRY,

WHO HAS REALLY COME OUT OF THE

GATES STRONG.

YOU CAN'T CONTROL HIM.

HE HAS HIS OWN SET OF IDEAS, HIS

OWN WAY OF DOING HIS THING.

YOU CANNOT PUT HIM IN THE BOX

AND SAY, OKAY RUSSIA YOU GOING

TO DO IT THIS WAY.

AND WE, THE ESTABLISHMENT,

WHOEVER THEY HAPPEN TO BE,

APPROVE.

THE SAME WITH THE SARAH PALIN.

YOU NOTICE, YOU CAN ALWAYS...

>> Jon: I LIKE HOW YOU REFER

TO IT AS "THE SARAH PALIN."

SHE'S JUST A NOUN AT THIS POINT.

>> SHE IS ALSO A GOOD FRIEND.

SHE'S A GOOD LADY, BUT SHE'S

NOT... I DON'T THINK SHE'S

RUNNING.

>> Jon: SO YOU THINK THE ISSUE

THERE IS KARL ROVE WOULD LIKE TO

FEEL... IS THAT AN EGO SITUATION

OR IS THAT MONEY?

AS THE RNC CHAIR, ROVE HAS THIS

CROSSROADS GPS.

WHERE DOES HE GET HIS MONEY

FROM?

>> FROM RNC DONORS.

>> Jon: IS THAT THE CONFLICT

NOW?

>> WELL, IT'S NOT... WELL, IT

WAS A CONFLICT WHEN I WAS

CHAIRMAN AND CERTAINLY BUT IT

ISN'T NOW BECAUSE EVERYONE IS

KIND OF BACK TO STATUS QUO, THE

WAY IT WAS BEFORE I CAME IN.

>> YOU GOT MUSCLED.

>> I GOT MUSCLED BY THE

ESTABLISHMENT, BUT I DID MY

THING.

I WON THE 63 HOUSE SEATS THEY

NEEDED.

I PICKED UP 600 STATE

LEGISLATIVE RACES AND WE RAISED

A LOT OF MONEY AND WON.

SO DON'T SCREW IT UP, YOU KNOW.

>> Jon: IS THIS NOW A CHANGING

OF THE REPUBLICAN GUARD IF RICK

PERRY BECOMES THE NOMINEE?

>> A VERY DIFFERENT GROUP OF

PEOPLE COMING IN.

>> Jon: DOES KARL ROVE MAKE

HIMSELF AVAILABLE TO MR. PERRY?

>> THAT WILL HAPPEN.

NO.

[LAUGHTER]

THE REALITY...

>> Jon: ANSWER THIS QUESTION

AS YOU WOULD HAVE WHEN YOU WERE

STILL RNC CHAIR.

I JUST WANT TO HEAR THE

DIFFERENCE.

JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT, THE

DIFFERENCE.

[APPLAUSE]

>> AS RNC CHAIRMAN I WOULD HAVE

SAID, YEAH, IN SOMEONE ELSE'S

LIFETIME.

>> Jon: OKAY.

>> I MEAN, THAT'S THE TRUTH OF

THE MATTER.

EVERYONE KNOWS AND THE HISTORY

IS WELCOME TOED OF THE STRESS

AND STRAIN BETWEEN THE BUSH-ROVE

CAMP AND THE PERRY CAMP, EVEN

THOUGH BUSH ENCOURAGED THEN-

DEMOCRAT PERRY TO SWITCH

PARTIES.

BUT IT WAS MATTER OF ONCE HE

DID, THAT ONCE HE GOT INTO CAMP,

HE'S LIKE, I GOT MY OWN THING,

I'M DOING MY OWN THING.

THAT'S TRUE WITH A LOT OF THESE

FOLKS.

AND I THINK THE REALITY IS THE

PARTY IS CHANGING AND IT'S BEEN

CHANGING GOING BACK NOT TO THE

LAST TWO YEARS OR SO, BACK TO

2005, 2004 IT'S BEEN CHANGING.

>> Jon: BACK TO THE 1850s.

>> BACK TO THE 1850s.

>> Jon: MOVES IN A VERY

DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

>> VERY DIFFERENT PARTY.

THEN IT WAS MORE ABOUT

INDIVIDUALS.

TODAY IT'S MORE ABOUT

INSTITUTIONS AND BIG-GOVERNMENT

REPUBLICANISM IS WHY YOU SAW THE

FORMATION OF A TEA PARTY

STRATEGY EMERGE AROUND THE

COUNTRY.

I THINK YOU'LL SEE THE SAME

THING ON THE LEFT.

WITH THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT

TAKING HOLD AS IT BEGAN TO DO IN

WISCONSIN EARLIER THIS YEAR.

I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE

THIS...

>> Jon: A GRASSROOTS BATTLE.

>> A GRASSROOTS BATTLEMENT THEY

NEED IT.

THEY NEED IT ON THE LEFT.

THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT ANCHOR

PHILOSOPHICALLY OF WHAT DO WE

REALLY PHILOSOPHICALLY BELIEVE

IN.

AND A LOT OF THAT STARTS WITH

THOSE EXTREME POSITIONS THAT

HELP YOU MOVE TO THAT SPOT WHERE

THE FOLKS OUT HERE ULTIMATELY

BENEFIT.

>> I THINK YOU WOULD MAKE A

TERRIFIC DEMOCRATIC PARTY

CHAIRMAN.

[APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: NICELY DONE.

YOU CAN PLAY FOR ANYBODY.

MICHAEL STEELE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

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