Exclusive - Jorge Ramos Extended Interview Pt. 2

  • Aired:  12/05/13
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In this exclusive, unedited interview, Jorge Ramos compares President Obama's pro-immigration reform rhetoric to the administration's large number of deportations. (7:25)

>> WE'RE HERE TALKING WITH JORGERAMOS UNIVISION, FUSION.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

THAT IS MY POINT.

THE LATINO COMMUNITY IS COURTEDBY BOTH PARTIES.

AND YOU ARE SEEING THOUGH THECYNICISM ASSOCIATED WITH

COURTING A NEW DEMOGRAPHIC.

IT FEELS LIKE THE BALDNESS OFTHE POLITICAL CALCULATIONS ARE

EVIDENT TO YOU FROM BOTH SIDESOF THE AISLE.

WHO IN YOUR MIND IS DOING THEMORAL THING AND WHO IS DOING THE

CYNICAL THING OR IS THERE NOTMUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.

>> I THINK PRESIDENT OBAMA ISFINALLY DOING THE RIGHT THING.

HOWEVER, THE MESSAGE HE ISCONTRADICTORY.

HE IS SAYING I WANT YOU HERE.

I'M HELPING YOU.

I WANT IMMIGRATION REFORM AND ATTHE SAME TIME HE'S DEPORTED.

HE HAS DEPORTED TWO MILLIONPEOPLE.

AND NO OTHER PRESIDENT IN THEHISTORY OF UNITED STATES HAS

DEPORTED MORE PEOPLE THANPRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.

HE IS SAYING I'M FOR IMMIGRATIONREFORM BUT I'M DEPORTING YOUR

MOTHER AND YOUR FATHER AND YOURBROTHER AND YOUR NEIGHBOR SO.

THAT HAS TO STOP.

>> Jon: TWO MILLION PEOPLE INFIVE YEARS.

>> 400,000 PEOPLE EVERY SINGLEYEAR.

THAT'S WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HASDONE.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACTTHAT HE IS FIGHTING FOR

IMMIGRATION REFORM FINALLY,HOWEVER DEPORTATIONS HAVE TO

STOP.

YOU CAN SAY I LOVE YOU AND THENGO BACK HOME.

>> Jon: WHAT IS TYPICAL --JUST TO GIVE ME

CONTEXT WHAT IS A TYPICALNUMBER -- THAT SOUNDS ENORMOUS

IS THAT SEIZING PEOPLE AT THEBORDER AND SENDING THEM BACK.

GOING TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES ANDBREAKING UP FAMILY?

>> NOT NECESSARILY GOING TOHOUSES BUT THEY GO TO OFFICES

AND TO STORES, SOMETIMES BUSSTATIONS.

THE ADMINISTRATION IS SAYINGTHAT THEY ARE CONCENTRATING ON

CRIMINALS.

THE REALITY IS THAT A HIGHPERCENTAGE OF THOSE DEPORTING

ARE NOT CRIMINALS ORTERRORISTS.

IF PRESIDENT OBAMA COULD GIVEACTION TO SOME HE COULD DO

SOMETHING SIMILAR.

UNTIL WE HAVE IMMIGRATION REFORMIT'S A SHAME FOR THE SYSTEM WE

HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> IT'S A SHAMEFUL SYSTEM ANDIT'S ONE THAT IS SHOCKING WHEN

YOU THINK ABOUT JUST A FEW --

YOU KNOW, ONE OF LARGESTIMMIGRATION AMNESTYBILLS WAS RONALD REAGAN

WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT WHAT THEREPUBLICAN POLICY WAS OR USED TO

BE.

IT SHIFTED DRASTICALLY AND THEFACT THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE

BEEN UNABLE TO ACCOMPLISHANYTHING WITH IT AS WELL MUST BE

A DISAPPOINTMENT.

WILL THE LATINO COMMUNITY SEETHROUGH THE CYNICAL EFFORT AND

WILL IT REQUIRE A MORE HONESTEFFORT TO COURT THEIR VOTE?

>> I THINK SO.

A FEW YEARS AGO WE JUST NEEDED AFEW WORDS IN SPANISH FROM THE

CANDIDATE.

HOLA, BUENOS DIAS.

I WANT YOUR VOTE.

>> Jon: SORRY I LOST YOU.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SAID.

>> THAT'S WHY BUSH GOT IT ATTHAT TIME.

THEN WE REALIZED THAT 12 MILLIONLATINOS VOTING IN THE LAST

ELECTION, 16 MILLION WILL VOTEIN THE NEXT ONE.

WE GOT PROMISES FROM PRESIDENTOBAMA.

HE DIDN'T KEEP HIS PROMISE.

>> Jon: IS IMMIGRATION REFORMTHE ONE TRULY DEMOGRAPHIC ISSUE

THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT?

>> NO.

>> Jon: I'M ASSUMING THAT THATIS NOT THE ONLY ISSUE THEY WOULD

NEED TO COURT A COMMUNITY.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MORECOMMONALITY ISSUES YOU WOULD SAY

ARE IMPORTANT?

>> POLLS SHOW THAT LATINOS AREJUST LIKE THE REST OF AMERICANS.

MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IS JOBS,EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE.

>> Jon: I THOUGHT YOU WEREGOING TO SAY THEY WATCH EIGHT

HOURS OF TELEVISION A DAY.

>> 10-12 ON UNIVISION WHICH ISGREAT.

>> Jon: WE'VE HEARD FROM THERIGHT THEY ARE A MORE

CONSERVATIVE GROUP OVERALL.

COMPARED TO IMMIGRATION THEYLINE UP MORE CLOSELY WITH

REPUBLICANS.

>> THE THING IS THAT IMMIGRATIONREFORM IS LIKE A PREREQUISITE

FOR LATINOS TO SEE BEYONDWHATEVER YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

AND FOR REPUBLICANS THEY REALLYHAVE TO PASS IMMIGRATION REFORM

SO WE CAN SEE BEYOND.

THAT IT'S PERSONAL.

I'M AN IMMIGRANT.

HALF OF ALL LATINOS AREIMMIGRANTS.

THEY ARE FOREIGN BORN.

YOU CAN GIVE ME JOBS AND HEALTHCARE BUT IF YOU ARE SAYING GET

OUT OF THIS COUNTRY.

>> Jon: IS IT NOT EVEN ALEGISLATIVE CHANGE BUT A CHANGE

IN ATTITUDE OF A SENSE OFTREATING IT AS, YOU KNOW, I GET

THE SENSE SOMETIMES THAT THEREARE THOSE WHO FEEL THERE'S A

PART OF AMERICA THAT IS SOMEHOWBEING STOLEN FROM THEM BY THE

NEWER IMMIGRANTS.

MY GRANDFATHER WAS SIMILAR THISWAY BY THE WAY HE VIEWED

IMMIGRANTS.

HE WAS AN IMMIGRANT.

HE SIGNED IN AT ELLIS ISLAND ANDTHEN TURNED AROUND AND WENT GET

OFF MY LAND.

[ LAUGHTER ]HE WAS, I GUESS WOULD YOU CALL

IT, RACIST.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> THE WORST IS WHEN YOU SEE

IMMIGRANTS OR THEIR SONS CLOSINGTHE DOOR BEHIND THEM.

I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION WITHSENATOR TED CRUZ.

HIS FATHER WAS BORN IN CUBA ANDBECAME A U.S. CITIZEN.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE A PATHTO CITIZENSHIP TO NEW

IMMIGRANTS.

I ASKED HIM HOW COME YOUR FATHERGOT A CHANCE BUT YOU DON'T WANT

11 MILLION IMMIGRANTS YOU DON'TWANT TO GIVE THEM THE SAME

CHANCE?

IT'S A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCEIS VERY CLEAR.

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS COUNTRYYOU HAVE 11 MILLION PEOPLE WHO

ARE NOT TREATED EQUALLY.

>> IT TOOK US A WHILE WITH WOMENAND ALL KINDS OF OTHER GROUPS.

DON'T FEEL BAD.

[LAUGHTER]> AND NOW THE NEW FRONTIER ON

CIVIL RIGHTS IS IMMIGRATION.

>> Jon: THERE A PREJUDICEWITHIN THE LATINO

COMMUNITY THAT WOULD -->> WITHIN THE HISPANIC

COMMUNITY?

>> Jon: THAT WOULD YOU LIKE TOSEE CHANGED AS THEY BECOME A

MORE VITAL FORCE IN AMERICANPOLITICS AS WELL?

IS THERE SOMETHING HOLDING THEMBACK AS WELL?

>> WITHIN THE HISPANICCOMMUNITY, YES.

>> Jon: OF HOW THEY FEEL ABOUTAMERICA OR AMERICANS OR THEIR

COMMUNITY.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'MSAYING?

>> WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMETHINGINTERESTING THAT ONCE THEY ARE

LEGAL IN THIS COUNTRY MILLIONSOF LATINOS, LEGAL RESIDENTS THEY

DON'T BECOME U.S. CITIZENS.

>> Jon: WHY DO YOU THINK THATIS?

>> THEY DON'T FEEL PART OF THISCOUNTRY YET.

I THINK WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT.

MAYBE THEY DON'T FEEL WELCOMEEVEN THOUGH THEY ARE HERE

LEGALLY.

THEY DON'T WANT TO BE PART FULLYOF UNITED STATES.

THAT HAS TO CHANGE.

>> Jon: EVEN AFTER WHAT YOUSAID EARLIER ABOUT THE LOVE OF

TORTILLA?

STILL NOTHING?

THAT MIGHT HELP.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> Jon: IT'S FASCINATING, MAN.

IT MUST BE A VERY EXCITING TIMEBE AT THE FOREFRONT OF A

COMMUNITY COMING TO PROMINENCEAND BE A VOICE FOR THAT.

>> IT IS.

>> Jon: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AMERICA WITH JORGE RAMOS AIRS ONTUESDAYS.

WHERE DO YOU --[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

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