Bill Moyers Pt. 2

  • Aired:  06/01/11
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Bill Moyers doesn't like to interview politicians because their language is designed to conceal. (4:45)

YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU SAID

EARLIER REMINDED ME OF ONE OF

THE INTERVIEWS WE DID IN A BOOK

WITH SUSAN JACOBI.

YOU WERE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE

LANGUAGE OF KEEPING THINGS

HIDDEN AND THE LANGUAGE OF

DECEPTION.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE PUBLIC

DISCOURSE IS NOW THE LANGUAGE OF

DECEPTION, AND NEWS MEDIA, WHOSE

JOB IT WOULD BE TO DEFOG THE

ROOM, ARE PRETENDING THAT THEY

CAN JUST NOT EVEN REFEREE BUT I

DON'T KNOW, MOD RATED WOULDN'T

BE THE RIGHT WORD, NARRATE.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE NEWS MEDIA

TODAY JUST FAR -- NARRATES AS

OPPOSED TO ANYTHING ELSE.

>> THEY'RE NARRATING THEIR

IMPRESSION.

THEY'RE NOT REPORTING ABOUT THE

WORLD.

SUSAN JACOBI IS ONE OF THE MOST

INTERESTING INTERVIEWS ABOUT HER

BECAUSE SHE'S THE AUTHOR OF A

BOOK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO EXERCISE

INDEPENDENT JUDGMENT.

THEY'RE THE REBELS AND THE

PROTESTERS.

AND SHE TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST

SAID.

IN FACT, I DON'T LIKE TO

INTERVIEW... I ADMIRE WHAT

POLITICIANS DORK BUT I DON'T

LIKE TO INTERVIEW THEM BECAUSE

THEIR LANGUAGE IS DESIGNED TO

CONCEAL.

I LIKE TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE WHO

WANT THE REVEAL THEIR THINKING,

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WORKS

WITH YOU AS WELL.

PEOPLE WANT TO TALK.

THEY WILL TALK.

THEY WON'T TRY TO PUT IT IN THAT

SMOKE AND FOG OF DECEPTION.

POLITICS, NEWT GINGRICH, BLESS

HIS HEART, GOT IN TROUBLE ON

"MEET THE PRESS" BY SPEAKING THE

TRUTH.

YOU CAN'T SPEAK THE TRUTH ON

TELEVISION TODAY BECAUSE

SOMEBODY WILL FIND A WAY TO TURN

IT AGAINST YOU, AND THAT'S WHY

PEOPLE ARE VERY CAUTIOUS, VERY

CAREFUL, THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO

ENGAGE.

WE'RE NOT EVEN HERE TALKING

ABOUT THE WORDS.

BOTH OF US ARE TRYING TO GET TO

THE MEANING OF EACH OF US,

TRYING TO GET TO THE MEANING

BEHIND THE WORDS.

THAT'S WHERE THE INTERVIEW

BECOMES A CONVERSATION, WHEN

BOTH OF YOU ARE TRYING TO BE

COMFORTABLE IN EXPLORING.

>> WHAT DO YOU DO IN THAT

SITUATION?

THIS IS'DING AWAY AT ME.

WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ON THERE

THAT YOU WANT SO DESPERATELY TO

ENGAGE IN THAT MANNER.

WE HAD DONALD RUMSFELD ON OUR

SHOW.

I CAN HONESTLY SAY I BELIEVE I

LOST MORE SLEEP OVER THAT

INTERVIEW THAN HE PROBABLY DID

OVER THE ENTIRE IRAQ WAR.

[LAUGHTER]

DURING THE INTERVIEW, THOUGH,

IT'S VERY EARLY ON, AND HE SAYS,

I SAY TO HIM, SO THE

ADMINISTRATION SELLS US THIS

IDEA OF WEAPONS OF MASS

DESTRUCTION.

"IF I MAY, NOT SOLD, PRESENTED."

IT WAS EARLY ON.

AND I JUST WENT PAST IT.

AND THAT NIGHT AROUND 2:00 A.M.

WHERE I DO MY BEST WORK --

[LAUGHTER]

I WAS THINKING, THAT WAS THE

INTERCESSORY VIEW, IN THE SPACE

BETWEEN OUR DEFINITIONS OF WHAT

THEY DID, SOLD AND PRESENTED,

AND HOW DO YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT?

HOW DO YOU FIND THOSE SPACES AND

CAN YOU AND HOW DO YOU LET IT

GO?

>> WELL, MOST OF MY GUESTS ARE

NOT ON THE SHOW TO MAKE NEWS.

THEY'RE ON THE EXPLAIN THE NEWS,

TO HELP UNDERSTAND THE NEWS.

SO THERE'S IN GAME PLAN THERE.

THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO FIND THAT

EDGE THAT WILL CREATE A HEADLINE

IN TOMORROW MORNING'S PAPER.

THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO HELP US

PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE

HAVE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED.

YOU KNOW, THE WORST HOUR THAT I

EVER PUT ON WAS MANY YEARS AGO

WITH HENRY KISSINGER.

HE WAS SECRETARY OF STATE.

HE GRANTED ME AN INTERVIEW.

ALL HE DID [GRUMBLING]

[LAUGHTER]

IT WAS ELOQUENT.

[GRUMBLING]

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND A WORD HE

WAS SAYING.

YES, MR. KISSINGER.

BUT I ALREADY ANNOUNCED IT.

I HAD TO PUT IT ON THE AIRMENT I

VOWED AFTER THAT NEVER TO DO AN

HOUR WITH ANY OFFICIAL BECAUSE

THEY'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO MAKE

SURE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT

THEY SAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY USE

SIMPLE WORDS TO EXPRESS IT

SOMETIMES.

WHAT YOU DO IS, WELL, HERE'S MY

TECHNIQUE, AND IN 40 YEARS, I'VE

NEVER BEEN CALLED ON IT.

I INTERVIEW IN LECH, AND THEN I

EDIT.

I MAKE SURE THAT WE IN THE

EDITING GET TO THE ESSENCE OF

WHAT THAT PERSON REALLY WANTED

TO SAY.

IT'S MATTER OF JUDGMENT, BUT IN

40 YEARS, I'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY

COME BACK AND SAY, YOU TOOK ME

OUT OF CONTEXT OR YOU DIDN'T GET

TO THE ESSENCE.

THEY ARE ACTUALLY THANKFUL THAT

WE HAVE LISTENED IN A WAY THAT

IS BEYOND THE WORDS AND THEN

EDITED WHAT IS THEIR VIEW OF

WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE SAID IF

THEY WERE AS GOOD AS IT AS WE

ARE IN EDITING.

[LAUGHTER]

YOU LISTEN FOR THE MEANING, NOT

NECESSARILY FOR THE WORDS.

>> Jon: YOU SAID IT

BEAUTIFULLY.

THAT'S THE OTHER THING I SHOULD

WRITE DOWN, "EDIT TO NOT TAKE

OUT OF CONTEXT."

[LAUGHTER]

>> ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

>> Jon: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BILL MOIRGS.

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