Exclusive - Andrew Napolitano Extended Interview Pt. 2

  • Aired:  03/11/14
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Judge Andrew Napolitano compares the moral purpose of America's Revolutionary War and the Civil War and questions Abraham Lincoln's ultimate motivations. (5:54)

HERE IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

>> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?

THIS IS PHENOMENAL TO ME.

YOU ARE A LOVER OF LIBERTY.

>> I AM.

>> Jon: YOU BELIEVED THAT OH,SHIT THIS IS CRAZY TO ME.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> THE DOCTRINE OF THE JUST WAR

REQUIRES THAT YOU TRY EVERYTHINGELSE BEFORE YOU START KILLING.

>> Jon: COLONIALISM WAS ENDINGAS AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM.

IT WAS UNSUSTAINABLE.

>> YES.

>> Jon: SO THE FOUNDERS OFAMERICAN REVOLUTION COULD HAVE

WAITED AND WE COULD BE CANADATODAY.

BUT INSTEAD THEY SECEDED FROMFROM GREAT BRITAIN.

>> SECESSION CAN'T BE BAD WESECEDED FROM GREAT BRITAIN.

>> Jon: NO, IT WAS AREVOLUTION.

>> CORRECT.

>> Jon: THE SOUTH COULD BE THEREVOLUTIONARIES BUT THEY LOST.

BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THEFOUNDERS WERE FIGHTING A

REVOLUTION FOR MORAL PRINCIPLE,THE SOUTH WAS FIGHTING TO DEFEND

AN ABERRATION.

>> I AGREE EXCEPT THAT THEFOUNDERS ALSO HAD SLAVES AND

FIGHTING FOR THAT.

IT'S WRONG AND REPREHENSIBLE.

>> Jon: ABSOLUTELY.

>> IT'S A MIXED HISTORICAL MORALRECORD.

>> Jon: AS EVERYTHING IS.

THERE IS VERY LITTLE AS MORALLYCLEAR AS ABRAHAM LINCOLNFIGHTING

AT GREAT PERSONAL COST TOPRESERVE THE UNION AND ABOLISH

SLAVERY FROM THE AMERICANCONTINENT FOREVER.

>> THAT WAS NOT LINCOLN'SPURPOSE.

>> Jon: -->> TO ABOLISH SLAVERY.

>> Jon: NO HIS PURPOSE WAS TOPRESERVE THE UNION.

>> HIS PURPOSE WAS TOPRESERVE THE UNION SO HE

COULD COLLECT TARIFFS FROMSOUTHERN PORTS.

HE DIDN'T GO AFTER SLAVERY UNTILHALFWAY THROUGH THE CIVIL WAR.

>> Jon: THAT'S SILLY.

>> HIS OWN WORDS SAID THAT. HESAID THAT IN THE FIRSTINAUGURAL.

>> Jon: HE SAID I'M GOING TOATTACK THE SOUTH.

TARIFFS WERE AT AN ALL-TIME LOWWHEN THE SOUTH SECEDED.

>> NO, NO, NO.

TARIFFS WERE DOUBLED FROM 15% TO32% IN SOUTH CAROLINA TO SQUEEZE

THEM OUT OF EXISTENCE.

>> Jon: DO YOU KNOW WHY? DOYOU KNOW WHY?

AFTER THEY SECEDEDTHEY CONTROLLED THE CONGRESS.

>> IT WAS A SOUTH CONTROLLEDCONGRESS.

>> LINCOLN WASN'T EVEN IN OFFICEYET.

>> Jon: THAT'S WHAT I'MTALKING ABOUT.

THEY SECEDED BEFORE HE WAS INOFFICE.

>> AND TARIFFS WERE IMPOSEDWHILE THEY WERE A PART OF THE

COUNTRY.

>> Jon: THEY ABDICATED FROMTHE CONGRESS. THE SOUTHCONTROLLED

LET ME TELL WHAT YOU IS GOING TOHAPPEN HERE.

[ LAUGHTER ]HERE IS THE OTHER THING -- I

COULD BE WAY OFF.

[ LAUGHTER ]I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

BUT.

>> MWAH!

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: BUT HERE IS WHAT I DO

KNOW, A MAN WHO DEFENDS LIBERTYAND I KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE

THAT.

I KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE IN YOURSOUL ABOUT FREEDOM, THERE'S NO

GREATER -->> MORAL CRUSADE --

>> Jon: THE IDEA THAT YOUWOULD PLACE TARIFFS ABOVE

SLAVERY TO ME IS MIND BLOWING.

THE IDEA THAT YOU WOULD ACCEPTTHAT THE FOUNDERS WOULD REVOLT

AGAINST BRITISH TYRANNY BECAUSETHEY WERE TAXED.

>> YES.

> Jon: THE IDEA THAT YOU YOU AREOK THAT WAR, YOU LOVE THAT WAR

AND YOU THINK THE WAR IS THEBASIC FOUNDATION OF OUR COUNTY'S

PRINCIPLES YET YOU VIEW THECIVIL WAR AS AN UTTER

UNNECESSARY WE COULD HAVE WAITEDIT OUT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SQUARE THATCIRCLE.

>> BECAUSE THE FOUNDERS TRIEDEVERY MEANS CONCEIVABLE TO AVOID

WAR AND LINCOLN TRIED NONE.

>> Jon: DID THEY TRY TO BUYTHEIR WAY OUT.

>> THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE CASH.

>> Jon: DID LINCOLN HAVE THECASH TO BUY OUT THE SLAVES?

YES. LINCOLN PRINTED CRASH INORDER TO FUND THE CIVIL WAR.

>> Jon: BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE IT.

>> HE COULD HAVE USED THE CASHTO BUY THE SLAVES INSTEAD OF TO

KILL INNOCENT WOMEN ANDCHILDREN.

>> Jon: IS THAT HOW ECONOMIESWORK WE'LL GIVE YOU A TON OF

MONEY FOR IT TO END.

LIKE MCDONALD'S. MCDONALD'SSELLS BURGERS.

WHAT IF WEWENT TO McDONEALS AND SAID LET

ME GIVE YOU A TON OF MONEY ANDYOU'LL GET OUT OF THE BURGER

BUSINESS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WOULDSAY?

>> WELL YOU COULD DO THATBY BUYING THEIR STOCK.

>> Jon: OH THAT'S INTERESTING.

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ITHINK YOU ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE

OF HISTORY ON THIS ONE.

I THINK THAT THIS IDEA 12 YEARSA SLAVE COULD HAVE BEEN 14 OR 16

OR 20, ANY EXTRA TIME THATFAMILIES HAD TO SPEND ENSLAVED

BY OTHER HUMANS IS ABHORRENT.

>> A DISAGREE WITH THIS.

>> Jon: THE IDEA THAT IT'S ANECONOMIC ISSUE IS OUTRAGEOUS.

IT'S NOT AN ECONOMIC ISSUE IT'SA MORAL ISSUE.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE FAMILIES, THEBANKS ROBBED AND COURTROOMS

BURNT AND WOMEN RAPED ANDCHILDREN KILLED BY LINCOLN'S

SOLDIERS.

THAT WASN'T TO FREE THE SLAVES.

THAT WAS TO DOMINATE THE WHITESIN THE SOUTH AND IT'S ABHORRENT.

>> Jon: NOW YOU'RE MAKING AVALUE JUDGMENT ON THAT THAT IS

ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT AND ICOULD MAKE THE SAME ARGUEMENT TO

BRITISH PEOPLE ABOUT THEAMERICAN REVOLUTION.

WAR IS HELL AND WHEN IT OCCURSBUT IT OCCURRED BECAUSE THE

SOUTH CLUNG TO THE ABHORRENTINSTITUTION OF SLAVERY.

>> DID LINCOLN FREE THE SLAVES.

>> Jon: HE FREED ONLY THEONES IN THE CONFEDERACY.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THEEMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION?

>> I'M ASKING IF HISTORICALLY HEFREED THE SLAVES?

HE DIDN'T; THE 13th AMENDMENTDID.

AND THE EMANCIPATIONPROCLAMATION ENSURED SLAVERY.

>> Jon: HE DID NOT WANT THEBORDER STATES TO JOIN THE

CONFEDERACY.

>> I THOUGHT HE WASAGAINST SLAVERY.

HE MADE A CALCULATION WHICH YOUDO IN WAR -- DID WE

JOIN WITH THE FRENCH?

DID WE ACCEPT EVERYTHING THEFRENCH DID.

>> THE MORAL SAINT WHO YOU LOVESIGNED A DOCUMENT PRESERVING THE

INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY IN HALFTHE COUNTRY.

>> Jon: NOT A MORAL SAINTBUT A MAN OF GREAT COURAGE IN A

TIME OF GREAT DIFFICULTY.

>> YOU GET THE LAST WORD.>> Jon: REALLY??

[LAUGHTER]MWAH.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: JUDGE NAPOLITANO'S

BOOK "THEODORE AND WOODROW" ISON THE BOOK SHELVES NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK.

WE'RE GOING TO TEST YOURKNOWLEDGE.

>> DO I HAVE TO STAY?>> Jon: DO YOU HAVE--

>> I KNOW WHAT ISCOMING.

>> Jon: IT'S FUN.

>> THEY ARE GREAT GUYS.

>> Jon: JUDGE ANDREWNAPOLITANO. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

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