Exclusive - William D. Cohan Extended Interview Pt. 3

  • Aired:  04/29/14
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William D. Cohan explains how lowering the drinking age could affect universities' abilities to regulate and avoid incidents like the Duke lacrosse scandal. (3:53)

YOU GET INTO THAT GROUPATMOSPHERE. I MEAN,

THE IDEA OF INVITING TWOSTRIPPERS TO YOUR HOUSE AFTER

YOU ARE DRINKING ALL NIGHT LONGDOESN'T STRIKE ME AS LIKE THE

WISEST DECISION. IGUESS THAT'S BETTER

THAN GOING TO THE STRIPCLUB YOU USED TO GO TO.

>> Jon: BUT THAT'S A DECISIONTHAT'S LIKE WITHIN THE BOUNDS

OF LEGALITY, OR ANYTHING, I FEELLIKE IF YOU BEHAVE PROPERLY AND

THAT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THATIS LEGAL AND DONE, YOU KNOW,

GOD BLESS. JUST DON'T THENUSE THAT AS AN EXCUSE. THAT'S

WHY I RAPED HER. YOU KNOW, LIKE,DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IS THE

DIFFERENCE? NOW OBVIOUSLY,IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW --

>> THESE KIDS WERE PUT ON APEDESTAL AT DUKE, I MEAN,

EVEN MORE SO THAN THEBASKETBALL PLAYERS OR THE

FOOTBALL PLAYERS. THERE'REWOMEN THAT FOLLOW THEM

AROUND THAT GO BY THE NAME OFLACROSSE-TITUTES.

>> Jon: WHAT?>> YES.

>> Jon: HUH. WOW.LACROSSE-TITUTES?

>> IT'S TRUE.

>> Jon: SUCH A SMART SCHOOL.

>> IT IS. YOU KNOW, TOM WOLFEWROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTANDTHAT. BUT,

[LAUGHTER]HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN WHEN

YOU AND I WERE IN COLLEGE?

IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME ASDIFFERENT.

>> WELL, I'M OLDER THAN YOU.

>> Jon: STOP IT. WE'RE THE SAMEAGE. ARE WE?

>> THERE ABOUTS.

>> Jon: I'M 80 AND YOU ARE77 --

[ LAUGHTER ]BUT, WHEN WE WERE IN COLLEGE, I

HAVE TO SAY LIKE THAT NIGHT ISNOT OUTSIDE THE REALM

OF POSSIBILITY OF THE ASSHOLESI HUNG AROUND WITH.

NOT IN TERMS OF WHERE IT WENT.

BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE DRINKINGALL NIGHT, AND WE DIDN'T GET THE

STRIPPERS, BUT WE DIDDRINK ALL NIGHT.

>> AND, THE DRINKING AGE WAS 18.

>> Jon: YES, IT WAS 18.

>> I'M JUST SAYING. I'M NOTSAYING THAT WAS A DIFFERENCE,

YOU KNOW THAT MAY NOTHAVE CHANGED BEHAVIORS

ALL THAT MUCH BUT I THINKBINGE DRINKING. LOOK,

PEOPLE WERE DRINKING A LOT WHENI WAS IN COLLEGE AT DUKE. RIGHT?

THERE WAS A REASON IT WAS CALLEDWORK HARD, PLAY HARD.

THAT'S ONE OF THE MOTTOS ATDUKE.

>> Jon: THEY ARE BLUE DEVILSFOR GOD SAKES.

THEY ARE NOT ANGELS.

>> THEY ARE NOT THE BLUE ANGELS.THOSE ARE JETS.

>> Jon: EXACTLY.

>> BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WASAS MUCH BINGE DRINKING,

AND I NEVER REMEMBER THERE BEINGANY STRIPPERS INVITED.

AND PART OF THE REASON THISBECAME A BIG PROBLEM,

WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH FUN.

PART OF THE REASON THIS BECAME APROBLEM WAS DUKE WAS GRAPING

WITH THE FACT THATTHE DRINKING AGE

WAS 21 AND THEY HAD THESEUNDERAGE KIDS ON CAMPUS.

SO, THAT'S WHY THESE PARTIESWENT INTO THIS OFF CAMPUS --

>> Jon: THEY WENT UNDERGROUND.OH, YOU'RE SAYING IF YOULEGALIZE

SOMETHING ON CAMPUS THEY WILLABLE TO REGULATE IT IN A WAY.

>> OH, THIS NEVER WOULD HAVEHAPPENED.

>> Jon: I SEE WHAT YOU'RESAYING.

>> NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENEDBECAUSE IT NEVER WOULD HAVE

GOTTEN TO THE DURHAM POLICEFORCE, IT NEVER WOULD HAVE

GOTTEN TO THENEIGHBORS COMPLAINING

ABOUT PUBLIC URINATION AND LOUDPARTIES AT 2:00 A.M.

>> Jon: I HAVE TO SAY, I THINKTHAT THE KINDS OF INCIDENTS THAT

BLUR THE LINE OF POWERSTRUCTURES WILL HAPPEN NO MATTER

WHAT THE DRINKING AGE IS, NOMATTER WHERE THEY LIVE IN THESE

AREAS LIKE THAT.

THIS TYPE OF THING HAS BEENAROUND SINCE POWER HAS BEEN

AROUND, SINCE PRIVILEGE HAS BEENAROUND AND SINCE EXPLOITATION

HAS BEEN AROUND.

IT FEELS LIKE UNTIL WE DEAL WITHTHE SUBSTANCE OF THOSE ISSUES,

ALCOHOL SEEMS LIKE A REDHERRING TO THAT TO SOME EXTENT.

>> SO, WE'RE BACK TO PERSONALRESPONSIBILITY.

>> Jon: PERSONALRESPONSIBILITY.

GO DUKE. WERE YOU A LOT LIKE, SOWHAT HAPPENS NOW?

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]YOU WERE A DUKE GUY.

IF YOU GO BACK TO DUKE ARE THEYMAD AT YOU?

>> THEY WANT TO YOU BE THEIRCOMMENCEMENT SPEAKER, NOT ME.

LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.

[LAUGHTER]YES, THEY ARE MAD AT ME.

>> Jon: OH, ALL RIGHT.

>> HOW DARE I WRITETHIS.

>> Jon: THEY ARE PISSED OFF.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO IS ANGRIERAT ME, GOLDMAN SACHS.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, I WAS GO TO GOTO DUKE BUT THEY HAD A TEST TO

GET IN. PRICE OF SILENCE IS ONBOOKSHELVES NOW. WILLIAM COHAN.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

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