Condoleezza Rice Pt. 1

  • Aired:  11/01/11
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Condoleezza Rice compares U.S. intervention in Libya with its actions in Iraq and believes that the Bush administration's freedom agenda was largely successful. (6:00)

>> WELCOME BACK TONIGHT.

WE WATCHED THE SECRETARY OF

STATE UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE W.

BUSH'S, HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED

"NO HIGHER HONOR, A MEMOIR OF MY

YEARS IN WASHINGTON."

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE

PROGRAM CONDOLEEZZA RICE.

HELLO.

NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> OH, THIS IS THE ONE WE'VE

BEEN WAITING FOR!

(LAUGHTER)

"NO HIGHER HONOR."

I JUST WANT TO TURN IT THIS WAY.

OH, YEAH.

(LAUGHTER)

YOU'RE NOT MESSING AROUND.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY

DO IS HOLLOW THAT OUT AND KEEP

ANOTHER BOOK INSIDE THERE.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: LET'S START... YOU KNOW

WHAT WE DEAL?

HERE'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

WE'LL START IN PRESENT DAY AND

WORK OUR WAY BACK TO THE POINT

WHERE YOU AND I STARTED.

(LAUGHTER)

SO MOAMMAR QADDAFI IS KILLED.

WERE YOU AWARE THAT HE HAD A

STRANGE AND, SHALL I SAY, CREEPY

FIXATION ON SECRETARY OF STATE

CONDOLEEZZA RICE?

DID YOU KNOW THAT?

>> I WAS AWARE.

SEVERAL OF MY FOREIGN MINISTER

COLLEAGUES HAD TOLD ME BEFORE I

WENT TO VISIT HIM BACK IN 2008

THAT HE HAD THIS FIXATION AND

WHEN I GOT THERE I THOUGHT "JUST

GET THROUGH YOUR BUSINESS.

JUST DO DIPLOMACY, JUST GET OUT

OF HERE."

AND EVERYTHING WAS GOING FINE

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HE SAID

"I HAVE THIS VIDEO FOR YOU."

(LAUGHTER)

AND I THOUGHT UH-OH, WHAT IS

THIS?

BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY JUST

PICTURES OF ME WITH HU JINTAO,

WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN OF RUSSIA

SAID TO A SONG HE HAD HAD

WRITTEN CALLED "BLACK FLOWER IN

THE WHITE HOUSE."

(LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE)

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: HOW'S THE SONG GO?

>> IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SING.

>> Jon: I WOULD IMAGINE.

DID HE... WHAT DOES A GUY LIKE

HIM DO... LIKE, HOW DOES HE

DRESS TO IMPRESS?

BECAUSE NORMALLY HE'S THROUGHOUT

LOOKING LIKE A CROSS BETWEEN,

YOU KNOW, TYNE DALY AND MICHAEL

JACKSON.

>> WELL, HE WAS IN THE BIG WHITE

ROBE, BIG RED AFRICA PIN.

BLACK HAT.

I THINK IT WAS HIS FINEST.

(LAUGHTER)

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS

I WAS THERE BECAUSE HE'D GIVEN

UP HIS WEAPONS OF MASS

DESTRUCTION AND, I'LL TELL YOU,

WHEN HE WAS IN THAT BUNKER AS

THE REVOLUTION WAS UNFOLDING ALL

AROUND THEM I WAS GLAD HE HAD

GIVEN UP THOSE DANGEROUS WEAPONS

I HAVE NO DOUBT HE WOULD HAVE

USED THEM.

>> Jon: THEY SAID THAT HE STILL

HAD CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

>> HE STILL HAD SOME CHEMICAL

STOCKS, OLD CHEMICAL STOCKS BUT

THE REALLY DANGEROUS STUFF, FOR

INSTANCE, SOME OF THE WEAPONS

THAT HE'D GOTTEN THROUGH THE

A.Q. KHAN NETWORK, THE PAKISTANI

NUCLEAR SCIENTIST, THOSE HAD ALL

BEEN DISMANTLED IN OAK RIDGE,

TENNESSEE, OF ALL PLACES.

>> Jon: REALLY.

>> YES, RIGHT.

>> Jon: WHEN YOU WATCH THE

EVENTS IN EGYPT AND TUNISIA AND

LIBYA AND ALL THAT DO YOU LOOK

AT THAT AS A DIRECT RESULT OF

SOME OF THE OTHER ACTIONS THAT

YOUR ADMINISTRATION TOOK THAT

OTHERS WERE MORE CRITICAL OF--

SAY ME--

(LAUGHTER)

DO YOU SEE THAT AS IF ONE

FOLLOWS NATURALLY FROM THE

OTHER...

>> I DO SEE IT AS A CHANGING

MIDDLE EAST AND I REALLY DO

BELIEVE THAT WE GOT ON THE RIGHT

SIDE OF THIS ISSUE ABOUT THE

FREEDOM AGENDA.

I REMEMBER HOW THE REALISTS SORT

OF RUSHED TO THE BARRICADES TO

SAY, WELL, NO, THE MIDDLE EAST

IS DIFFERENT, YOU WANT

STABILITY.

AND, OF COURSE, IT TURNS OUT

WHAT'S UNSTABLE IS

AUTHORITARIANISM.

SO WE TRIED TO GET AHEAD OF IT.

I REMEMBER GOING TO SEE MUBARAK

SAYING TO HIM MR. PRESIDENT

REFORM BEFORE YOUR PEOPLE ARE IN

THE STREETS AND HAD HE REFORMED

BEFORE THOSE PEOPLE IN THE

STREETS WE'D HAVE A LOT EASIER

TIME OF IT NOW IN THE MIDDLE

EAST BECAUSE ONCE PEOPLE ARE

REACTING OUT OF ANGER AND

DESPERATION IT GETS A LOT MORE

CHAOTIC.

>> NOW IS IT... IN SOME WAYS THE

WAY THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS

NOW INTERVENED IN LIBYA, DOES

THAT MAYBE VINDICATE... IN OTHER

WORDS, A STRATEGY THAT PEOPLE

WANTED TO USE FOR TERRORISM AND

FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS THAT

WAS SMALLER BORE?

YOU KNOW, SPECIAL FORCES,

INTELLIGENCE, USING THAT.

AT THE TIME THE BUSH

ADMINISTRATION... I DON'T WANT

TO SAY RIDICULED IT BUT

CERTAINLY SPOKE THAT DOWN AS NOT

UNDERSTANDING.

>> WELL, EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE IS

DIFFERENT AND IN AFGHANISTAN WE

ACTUALLY WENT IN, IF YOU

REMEMBER, WITH A VERY LIGHT

FOOTPRINT, LARGELY AMERICAN

SPECIAL FORCES, AIR POWER, MEN

ON HORSE BACK WHO WERE THE

AFGHAN FIGHTERS.

IRAQ WAS A VERY DIFFERENT OF

CIRCUMSTANCES AND I KNOW WE'LL

TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> Jon: YES.

>> YES, I FIGURED WE MIGHT.

>> Jon: (WHIT WHISPERING)

BUT JUST BETWEEN US.

>> I GAVE YOU THE OPENING THERE.

BUT THE FACT IS MOAMMAR QADDAFI

WAS A MONSTER TO HIS PEOPLE AND

SUPPORTED TERRORISM, WAS TRYING

TO BUILD WEAPONS BUT NOTHING

LIKE SADDAM HUSSEIN.

I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY

CHANCE THAT AN ARAB SPRING

FLOURISHS IN IRAQ.

AN ARAB SPRING IN IRAQ LOOKS

LIKE SYRIA BUT MUCH, MUCH WORSE

BECAUSE, UNLIKE QADDAFI, SADDAM

HUSSEIN HAD MASSIVE ARMY, SADDAM

HUSSEIN HAD

400,000 PEOPLE IN MASS GRAVES,

HE USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS BEFORE.

SO I THINK A VERY DIFFERENT SET

OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> Jon: YOU'RE SAYING EACH

INDIVIDUAL HAS TO BE...

>> YOU DO.

YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME PRINCIPLE:

EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD OUGHT

TO LIVE IN FREEDOM.

BUT YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT

YOU MAY HAVE TO USE DIFFERENT

TOOLS TO GET THERE.

>> Jon: THAT'S AN EXCELLENT

POINT.

THAT'S THE ONE WE'LL... WE'LL

TAKE A COMMERCIAL AND TALK ABOUT

WHY CERTAIN TOOLS WERE USED HERE

AND OTHER TOOLS MAY BE UNTOOLED.

(LAUGHTER)

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE

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