Gigi Ibrahim

  • Aired:  06/04/14
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Socialist activist Gigi Ibrahim describes the ongoing struggles that face the revolutionary movement in Egypt. (6:52)

[ APPLAUSE ]>> JON: WELOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT,SHE IS AN ACTIVIST

WITH THE REVOLUTIONARYSOCIALISTS IN EGYPT.

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THEPROGRAM, GIGI IBRAHIM.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> JON: FIRST OF ALL, GIGI,WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JON: THE LAST TIME YOU WEREHERE THERE WAS ALMOST

EXULTATION. THERE WASEXCITEMENT.

>> YES.

>> THE PEOPLE HAD TAKEN TO THESTREETS. THEY HAD TAKEN DOWN

THIS AUTOCRAT WHO HAD BEEN THEREFOR 30 YEARS.

SO, HOW'S IT BEEN GOING SINCETHEN?

>> WE DID IT AGAIN.

>> JON: YOU DID IT AGAIN.

>> YES.

BUT, NOT SO SUCCESSFUL THISTIME.

WE MANAGED TO TOPPLE ANOTHERHEAD OF THE REGIME THAT WAS JUST

THE FACE. BUT THE MILITARY --

>> JON: THAT WAS PRESIDENT MORSIOF THE PRESIDENT OF THE MUSLIM

BROTHERHOOD. >> YES.

>> THEY WON THE ELECTION.

>> EXACTLY. AND, YOU KNOW,

THE MILITARY SINCE 1952 REALLYHAS BEEN THERE AND HASN'T GONE

ANYWHERE. AND IT'S JUSTGETTING STRONGER.

AND NOW WE HAVE THE FIRSTPRESIDENT.

>> JON: YES.

>> THE HEAD OF THE SUPREMECOUNCIL OF THE ARMS FORCED.

>> JON: NOW THIS IS SISI.>> SISI.

ABDEL FATTAH EL-SISI. HE ISNOW THE PRESIDENT WITH 96.6%.

>> JON: BOY, YOU CAN'T ARGUEWITH THAT KIND OF NUMBER.

>> DEMOCRACY. YES. IT SEEMS LIKEEVERY TIME WE JUST MANAGE

DO AN UPRISE AND KIND OF GET THEDEMANDS, THE FREEDOM BRED,

SOCIAL JUSTICE THIS IS WHY WEDID THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

TO TAKE DOWN THE DICTATOR.

NOW WE JUST GET WORSE AND WORSE.

YOU CAN SAY THAT WE ARE AT THELOWEST POINT OF THE REVOLUTION

WITH OVER 41,000 POLITICALPRISONERS IN JUST TEN MONTHS.

>> JON: INCREDIBLE.

HERE IS WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT FORME TO COMPREHEND.

THAT YOU CAN ALMOST SAY THATMORSI THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

WERE THE MORE LIBERAL REGIME.

THEY WERE THE PROGRESSIVESCOMPARED TO SISI.

HE HAS PUT IN, THERE WAS MOREFREEDOM OF EXPRESSION UNDER THE

BROTHERHOOD, IT SEEMS.

>> NOT EXACTLY YES, ITDEFINITELY WASN'T AS BAD. BUT

MORSI DID HIS FARE SHARE TODESERVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN ASWELL.

>> JON: YES, I JUST MEANT ITMORE COMPARATIVELY.

>> YES, IT GETS WORSE.

>> JON: IT GETS WORSE.

>> IT GETS WORSE BECAUSE

THEN THE REVOLUTION ISDEEPENING, AND

IT'S GETTING TO THE MILITARY ANDTHE INTEREST OF THE MILITARY.

OF COURSE, THEY DON'T WANT THEREVOLUTION TO SUCCEED BECAUSE

THEN THEY WOULD BE IN PRISONWITH THE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.

>> JON: YES.

THEY HAVE INSTITUTED THINGS LIKENO PROTEST.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE.

>> YES.

>> JON: AT LEAST UNDER THEBROTHERHOOD, PEOPLE DID COME OUT

TO THE STREETS. >> YES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS

SAY MAYBE WE DIDN'T ACHIEVE ALLTHE BIG DEMANDS OF THE

REVOLUTION.

BUT AT LEAST WE BROKE THEBARRIER OF FEAR.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN EXPRESSTHEMSELVES. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW,

SOCIAL MEDIA. WE HAVE DIFFERENTPERSONALITIES ON TV THAT

CAN, YOU KNOW, EXPRESSTHE OPPOSITION.

>> JON: OR DID HAVE.

>> OR DID HAVE.

AS YOU CAN SEE NOW EVERY LITTLETHING WE HAVE WON OVER THE LAST

THREE YEARS REALLY WHETHER ITBE THE RIGHT TO PROTEST THAT

WE WON WITH BLOOD AND TEARSREALLY.

AND JUST LIVES OFREVOLUTIONARIES AND PEOPLE WHO

REALLY WANT THIS RIGHT TO GOOUT AND PROTEST.

THEN YOU HAVE THE BIGGESTPROTEST IN THE MODERN HISTORY OF

EGYPTIAN HISTORY THE GOVERNMENTTHAT COMES AFTER THIS MASS

PROTEST, CRIMINALIZESPROTESTING.

AND IMPRISONS OVER 41,000POLITICAL PRISONERS.

>> JON: THE TEE SHIRT OBVIOUSLYTHAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU

PROBABLY GOT ON THEJERSEY BOARDWALK.

>> NO. NO.

>> JON: WHAT IS, WHAT ARE WEDEALING WITH HERE?

>> THIS IS MAHIENOUREL-MASSRY. SHE IS ONE OF THE

BRAVEST, COURAGEOUS, SOCIALISTS,ACTIVISTS, AND REVOLUTIONARY,

HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER AS WELL ANDLABOR LAWYER.

AND SHE HAS BEEN SENTENCED TO 2YEARS IN PRISON ALONG WITH 7

OTHER PEOPLE.

>> JON: FOR.

>> FOR PROTESTING AT AKHALED SAID MURDER TRIAL IN

ALEXANDERIA.

>> JON: NOW, EXPLAIN THAT.THAT'S A --

>> YES. KHALED SAID WAS MURDEREDUNDER THE HANDS OF POLICE UNDER

EMERGENCY LAW UNDER MUBARAK IN2010.

AND, HE HAS BEEN A GREATCATALYST TO THE REVOLUTION.

WHAT SPARKED THE YOUTH TO TAKETO THE STREETS AND TOPPLE DOWN

ESSENTIALLY MUBARAK AND HISMURDERERS WERE ACQUITTED OR

GIVEN A VERY WEAK SENTENCE.

THEY WERE RETRIED AFTER CREATINGSO MANY PRESSURES.

AT THE TRIAL BACK IN LATE 2013,THE ALEXANDRIA ACTIVISTS,

THEY WERE ROUNDED UP AND

SENTENCED UNDER THE ANTI-PROTEST LAW THAT THE GOVERNMENT

ENACTED LAST NOVEMBER.

UNDER THAT LAW IT PRETTY MUCH ISLEGAL JUSTIFICATION TO JUST KILL

OFF THE OPPOSITION AND WEAKENTHE REVOLUTION --

>> JON: AND THROW THEM IN JAIL.>> AND THROW THEM IN JAIL.

>> JON: AND DO WHATEVER.

>> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT,JAIL CONDITIONS HERE.

YOU HAVE SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.

>> JON: YES.

>> DENYING OF MEDICAL CARE.

TORTURE.

ABUSE.

RAPE.

YOU CAN THINK OF ANYTHING THATIS SO INHUMANE IT'S BEING DONE

IN EGYPTIAN PRISON AND NOBODY ISTALKING ABOUT. MASS DEATH

PENALTY SENTENCES -- >> JON: IS THE MEDIA IN EGYPT

ARE THEY ALLOWED TO BRING THISUP IN ANYWAY?

ARE THEY ALLOWED TOTALK ABOUT MAHIENOUR?

>> NO. NOPE. NO.

HOW CAN THEY TALK ABOUTMAHIENOUR AND THE THOUSANDS OF

PEOPLE LIKE MAHIENOURTHAT ARE IN PRISON WHO

JOINED THE REVOLUTION, WHO TOOK

PART OR WHO HAVE BEEN JUSTRANDOMLY ARRESTED.

THEY TALK ABOUT THEM AS FIFTHCOLUMNISTS TO THE MUSLIM

BROTHERHOOD.

THAT THEY'RE TERRORISTS AND WANTTO BRING THE STATE DOWN.

THEY VILIFY THEM IN THE MEDIA ORDON'T DISCUSS THEM AT ALL AND

ABSOLUTELY SAY THAT THE FIRSTAND THE FOREMOST THING WE HAVE

TO DO NOW IS FIGHT TERRORISM.AND, THESE ARE THE TERRORISTS.

>> JON: OH.

CAN YOU IMAGINE A COUNTRY THATWOULD STRIP CIVIL RIGHTS UNDER

THE GUISE OF FIGHTING TERRORISM?

WE'RE NOT SO DIFFERENT AFTERALL, YOU AND I.

>> NO, NOPE, NOPE. YOU KNOW,

WITH THE SYRIA ELECTIONS AND THEELECTIONS, YOU KNOW,

COMING UP WE ALL HAVE TO CHOOSEWITH THE RELATIVE, YOU KNOW --

>> JON: IT'S ALL ON A SCALE.

>> IT'S ALL ON A SCALE.

YES, BUT YOU ARE ALWAYS CHOOSINGBETWEEN BAD AND WORST.

[LAUGHING]AND THAT'S NOT A DEMOCRACY.

THAT'S JUST NOT A DEMOCRACY.

>> JON: THAT'S THE WORSTSUCCESSERY POSTER I HAVE HEARD.

I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU AREHERE. WILL YOU STICK AROUND FOR

A LITTLE BIT? WE WILL TALKABOUT OUR FRIEND BASSEM,

WHAT'S GOING ON NOW WITHTHE MOVEMENT.

IF IT'S OKAY FOR YOU TO BE HERE.BECAUSE NOW I'M CONCERNED.

BECAUSE HOW MANY MOVIES CAN IWRITE?

WE WILL BE BACK WITH MORE GIGIIBRAHIM.

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