Exclusive - Hamid Al-Bayati Extended Interview Pt. 3

  • Aired:  06/19/14
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Hamid Al-Bayati describes the need for a holistic solution to religious extremism that includes military, economic and ideological components. (5:19)

YOU KNOW, THE U.S. IS, WE'RE SOTIRED.

I THINK PART OF IT IS WE FELTLIKE THIS WAS NOT... IT REALLY

IS A CONUNDRUM OF WEREALLY FEEL LIKE WE SHOULDN'T

HAVE DONE IT TO THE COUNTRY, TOIRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT WE

DO STILL HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATIONTO YOU, WHICH IS CORRECT.

YOU CAN'T JUST GO IN THERE ANDDO WHAT WE DID AND NOT FOLLOW UP

WITH SUPPORT.

BUT WHEN WILL THIS WORLD DEALWITH THE EXTREMIST PROBLEM?

BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THEACTUAL PROBLEM.

>> WE NEED THE HOLISTICSOLUTION, ESPECIALLY IDEOLOGY.

WE NEED TO FIGHT THESE PEOPLEWITH IDEOLOGY.

MILITARY SOLUTIONS ISIMPORTANT.

ECONOMIC SOLUTIONS, SOCIALPROBLEMS ARE IMPORTANT.

BUT IDEOLOGY.

WE NEED TO TELL YOUNG PEOPLETHAT IT'S FORBIDDEN ACCORDING TO

THE KORAN, TO ISLAM, ALLRELIGIONS...

>> Jon: OK, SO WHO ARE THESCHOLARS, WHO ARE THE RELIGIOUS

ESTABLISHMENT WHO COULD DO THAT?

>> WELL, RELIGIOUS ESTABLISHMENTIN IRAQ AND THE REGION, MUSLIM,

CHRISTIAN, EVERYBODY.THEY SHOULD GATHER TO SAY WHAT'S

HAPPENING IS NOT ALLOWED IN ANYRELIGION.

>> Jon: SO WHY IS THIS NOTHAPPENING?

WHY AREN'T THE SAUDIS DOINGTHAT?

THE FEELING IS THERE ISSOMETHING ELSE GOING ON

UNDERNEATH, WHICH IS A POWERSTRUGGLE BETWEEN SAUDI ARABIA

AND IRAN.

THE REASON WE FEEL LIKE THEYDON'T ALL GET TOGETHER IS THEY

DON'T WANT TO.

THAT SOMEHOW THIS CHAOS ISHELPING SOMEBODY.

AND WE JUST WANT TO KNOW,

WHO IS IT HELPING?

WHO IS SOWING THE SEEDS OF IT,AND WHY ARE THEY NOT, YOU KNOW,

WHY ARE THEY NOT STOPPING IT?>> JON, I WAS WATCHING A

PROGRAM ON ANOTHER BIG CHANNELIN NEW YORK.

>> Jon: ARE YOU GOING TO SAYIT'S "THE TONIGHT SHOW," BECAUSE

THAT'S GOING TO HURT MYFEELINGS. BECAUSE THAT...

>> NO, A MUSLIM RELIGIOUSSCHOLAR ASKED, WHO ARE INFADELS.

AND THE ANSWER, THIS WAS ON THEINTERNET.

I'M NOT GOING TO NAME HIMOR THE CHANNEL.

>> Jon: SURE, SURE, SURE.

>> HE SAID NATURAL INFIDELS ARETHE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS.

>> Jon: WELL, I SAW THAT COMING.

>> AND NATURAL INFIDELS AREMUSLIMS WHO RETREAT FROM ISLAM.

WHICH MEANS, HE JUSTIFIED TOKILL ALMOST EVERYBODY. IF WE CAN

WATCH SUCH A PROGRAM THROUGHSATELLITE TVS, YOUNG PEOPLE WILL

BE EASILY RECRUITED BY SAYINGWE'RE GOING TO HAVE JIHAD.

SOME RELIGIOUS SCHOLARS THEY SAYTHAT IT'S LEGITIMATE JIHAD IN

IRAQ OR IN THIS PLACE OR THAT.

THAT HAS TO STOP. WE HAVE TODRY THE SOURCES FOR TERRORISM,

WHICH IS THE MONEY, THERELIGIOUS DECREES, THE

FATWAS...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEHELP AND SUPPORT.

BUT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT HOWWE DRY THE SOURCES FOR EXTREMISM

AND TERRORISM AND, AS I SAID,THE IDEOLOGY WAR.

I'M WRITING A BOOK CALLED THEFOURTH GENERATION OF TERRORISM.

I BELIEVE THE FIRST GENERATIONWAS IN AFGHANISTAN.

THE SECOND WAS IN IRAQ.

THE THIRD IN LIBYA WHEN THEYKILLED AND 9/11 2012, AN

AMBASSADOR PLUS THREE AMERICANS,NOW WHAT'S COMING, ISIS, IRAQ

AND SYRIA IS THE FOURTHGENERATION OF TERRORISTS.

>> BUT THEY ARE... THEIR GOAL ISTO GATHER TOGETHER... WILL ISIS

COOPERATE WITH TALIBAN OR WILLTHEY ALSO FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER?

IS THIS JUST, IS THIS THE CHAOSTHAT BECOMES LIKE ARTHRITIS,

JUST A CONDITION THAT WE ALLHAVE TO LIVE WITH AND WE CAN'T?

>> THE DREAM AND THE OBJECTIVEOF THIS GROUP TO HAVE

A GLOBAL ORGANIZATION INSPIREINDIVIDUALS.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

>> Jon: BUT ISN'T THAT, CAN'T

ISN'T THAT THE U.N.?I MEAN, WASN'T THE WHOLE PURPOSE

OF THE U.N. IS THAT ALL THECOUNTRIES WOULD GET TOGETHER,

AND WHEN SOMETHING METASTASIZES

IN THE WORLD THAT THREATENS ITSSTABILITY, THE U.N. WILL STAND

UP OR NATO WILL GET TOGETHERWITH OTHER FORCES AND DEAL WITH

IT INTERNATIONALLY AS A WORLD,NOT AS A SUPERPOWER THAT IS

CALLED UPON TO POLICE ALL THESEDIFFERENT ISSUES.

>> THE U.N., DOES...

[APPLAUSE]>> Jon: YEAH, JUST CURIOUS.

>> THE U.N. DOES.

THEY DISCUSS TERRORISM BUT THEYDON'T HAVE FORCES. THE FORCES

EITHER COME FROM THE U.S. ORFROM THE NATO, THE REAL FORCES.

TECHNOLOGY, SURVEILLANCE AREIMPORTANT.

I THINK ONLY THE UNITED STATESAND NATO COULD DO THAT, YOU

KNOW?

WITH THE HELP OF THE REGION, YOUKNOW.

>> IT JUST SEEMS TOO EASY.

IT FEELS LIKE EVERY TIME IT...

IT FEELS LIKE AN ABDICATION OFRESPONSIBILITY TO ALWAYS SUGGEST

THAT SAUDI ARABIA IS VERYSTRONG.

THEY HAVE A TON OF MONEY, A TONOF WEAPONS.

WE KNOW.

WE SOLD IT TO THEM. [LAUGHTER]

YOU KNOW, IRAN IS INCREDIBLYPOWERFUL.

AL-QUAEDS, THEIR OTHER MILITARYFORCES ARE INCREDIBLY POWERFUL.

IF THEY WANTED TO STOP THIS,THEY COULD.

>> I THINK THE AMERICANS COULDHELP STOP THIS.

DEFINITELY THEY CAN.

AND THEY HAVE TO.

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY BUT TOSPEAK TO THESE COUNTRIES AND

OTHER COUNTRIES TO SAY, PEACE ISA WIN-WIN SITUATION AND THE WAR

IS A LOSE-LOSE SITUATION.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

WELL, WE'LL DO... LET'S HOPETHAT THAT ACTUALLY WILL HAVE

SOME EFFECT.

BUT, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUCOMING HERE, AND I TRULY HOPE

THAT THINGS BECOME BETTER FORTHE PEOPLE OF YOUR COUNTRY

BECAUSE BOY HAVE THAT SUFFEREDJUST GREATLY.

AND I, JUST A TERRIBLESITUATION.

HAMID AL-BAYATI, THANK YOU SOMUCH.

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