Bill Kristol

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Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol discusses the success of military surges in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the continued need for stabilization. (6:03)

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: MY GUEST TONIGHT EDITOR

OF THE "THE WEEKLY STANDARD."

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE

PROGRAM BILL KRISTOL.

SIR!

( APPLAUSE )

BILL!

BILL!

WHAT ARE WE-- WHAT ARE WE DOING?

WHAT ARE WE DOING?

AFGHANISTAN.

>> IT'S BEEN A GOOD SHOW SO FAR.

>> Jon: FINE PROGRAM, ISN'T IT?

>> IT IS A GOOD PROGRAM.

I'M TOTALLY WITH YOU AGAINST THE

SUPREME COURT DECISION.

>> Jon: SUPER MARIO BONERS.

>> I'M NOT WITH YOU ON THAT

PART.

LAUGH

( LAUGHTER )

I SAW YOU PLAYING THE GAME.

>> Jon: I HAVE KIDS.

I LOVE VIDEO GAMES, BUT I STILL

THINK THERE IS A CERTAIN LIMIT

TO WHAT-- I MEAN, ONCE YOU START

DISEMBOWELING YOUR MORTAL COMBAT

OPPONENT, I WOULD THINK A

10-YEAR-OLD SHOULD HAVE TO NOT

BE ABLE TO BUY THAT.

>> I THINK EVEN A 25-YEAR-OLD

MAYBE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUY

THAT.

I MEAN, IT REALLY IS GROTESQUE.

I GET THAT IT'S FREE SPEECH, TO

PROTECT OUR RIGHTS TO POLITICAL

SPEECH, --

>> IT WOULD BE FUN TO PLAY.

I WILL SAY THAT.

BUT, NO--

>> YOU'RED ANY AT IT I HEAR FROM

YOUR GUYS BACK THERE.

>> Jon: SETTLE DOWN.

I HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO

DURING THE DAY SPEAKING OF

MORTAL COMBAT.

THE PRESIDENT SAID HE'S GOING TO

PULL OUT 10,000 TROOPS AND

EVERYBODY IS VERY NERVOUS ABOUT

THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE TO LEAVE

THESE PLACES, LIKE AFGHANISTAN

AND IRAQ, AT SOME POINT, DO WE

NOT?

>> RIGHT, AND WE HAVE LEFT IRAQ

IN BULK AND DID SO AFTER A

SUCCESSFUL --

>> HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE IN

IRAQ?

>> 50,000.

>> Jon: THAT'S NOT LEAVING.

>> WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SLOPE

DOWN TO ZERO AT THE END OF THE

YEAR.

THAT'S WHERE THE SURGE WORKED.

IT BECAME MUCH MORE PEACEFUL AND

WE DREW DOWN, 130,000 OF FROM

THE SURGE.

PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SURGE IN

AFGHANISTAN WORKED PRETTY WELL.

EVERYONE AGREED WE WERE GOING TO

DRAW DOWN.

I'M WORRIED HE'S DRAWING DOWN

TOO FAST AND ABRUPTLY.

I WISH HE FOLLOWED GENERAL

PETRAEUS' RECOMMENDATION BUT

EVERYBODY AGREES WE'LL BE OUT OF

THE COMBAT PORTION OF IT BY

2014.

>> Jon: AS A COUNTRY, DO YOU

FEEL LIKE THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE

THAT OUR WHOLE MENTALITY ABOUT

FIGHTING THE WAR ON TERROR HAS

BEEN WRONG FOR 10 YEARS?

WOULD YOU SAY NOW-- WOULD YOU--

WOULD YOU STAND AND FACE THE

CAMERA AND SAY-- AND-- AND--

BUTTON YOUR COAT-- AND SAY, OH,

MY GOD.

I HAD THIS SO COMPLETELY WRONG,

GUYS.

>> NO.

>> Jon: BOUT BUTT HOW CAN--

>> THE WHOLE COUNTRY HAS BEEN

ENGAGED IN THIS.

AND I THINK ON THE WHOLE DOING

THE RIGHT THING.

LOOK, A WAR-- A WORLD IN WHICH

AMERICANS HAVE TO FIGHT AND HAVE

TO BE, IN EFFECT, THE KIND OF

WORLD POLICEMEN IS A DIFFICULT

WORLD FOR US.

GOD KNOWS WE ALL HATE TO SEE

YOUNG AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN GO

OVER THERE AND FIGHT AND GET

WOUNDED AND DIE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, A WORLD IN

WHICH WE DON'T DO THAT IS A MORE

DANGEROUS WORLD.

>> Jon: ISN'T THAT A FALSE

CHOICE BECAUSE A WORLD WHERE,

YOU KNOW, IN TERRORISM WE PLAY

CHAK-A-MOLES.

EIGHT TO 10 PLACES, RIGHT?

IF COVERING TWO HOLES ON THE

GAME COSTS $10 BILLION A MONTH

AND COUNTLESS AMERICAN LIVES,

HOW DO WE COVER-- AND DOES IT

MAKE US ANY SAFER BECAUSE EVEN

STABILIZING IRAQ OR STABILIZING

AFGHANISTAN DOESN'T MAKE IT A

COUNTRY WHERE TERROR ATTACKS

CANNOTTING PLOTTED AGAINST THE

UNITED STATES.

IN DEMOCRACIES, TERROR ATTACKS

ARE PLOTTED AGAINST THE UNITED

STATES.

SO ISN'T OUR WHOLE STRATEGY, AS

YOU AND MY PEOPLE WOULD SAY

WRONG?

DON'T WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR

STRATEGY IN HUGE WAYS?

>> NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD --

>> REALLY.

I THAT YOU YOU WERE GOING TO GO

WITH ME ON THAT ONE.

I THOUGHT I HAD YOU ON THAT ONE.

>> LET ME CALL MICHELE BACHMAN

FIRST AND GET MY TALKING POINTS

FROM THE LIKELY NEXT-- THAT WAS

EXCELLENT.

THAT WAS VERY GOOD.

>> Jon: THANK YOU.

>> IT'S UNUSUAL.

>> Jon: IT'S NOT JUST THE CLIPS

THEY SHOW ON FOX.

WE ACTUALLY DO A WHOLE PROGRAM?

>> IS THAT RIGHT?

>> Jon: WE DO A WHOLE PROGRAM.

>> YOU DID WELL.

YOU DID WELL.

I WANT TO SAY YOU DID WELL ON

FOX NEWS SUNDAY AND I THINK YOU

HAVE A POSSIBLE FUTURE AT FOX

NEWS.

>> Jon: THAT'S VERY KIND OF YOU.

>> I THINK A FEW MORE TESTS --

>> Jon: STOP IT.

BUT I'M BEING SERIOUS--

>> WE --

>> WE CAN'T DO IT.

>> WE CAN'T BUT WE'RE NOT DOING

IT EVERYWHERE.

IN YEMEN AND SOMALIA WE'RE USING

DROPZ.

PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT IN

THE LEAST-PEOPLE-INTENSIVE WAY

POSSIBLE BUT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE

ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> Jon: DO WE HAVE UNREALISTIC

EXPECTATIONS ABOUT THE IDEA OF

REBUILDING COUNTRIES THAT WE IN

SOME WAYS HELPED UNBUILD?

( LAUGHTER )

>> LOOK, IN AFGHANISTAN, WE

HELPED DRIVE THE SOVIETS OUT OF

THERE.

WE PULLED OUT OF THERE IN 89, 90

91.

WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE

NEXT 10 YEARS, THE PEOPLE IN

EXPWAFG IN TERMS OF 9/11.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO

THROUGH THAT AGAIN.

IF THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO KEEP

100,000 TROOPS THERE FOREVER,

IT'S A WAR THAT WAS

UNDERRESOURCED UNDER PRESIDENT

BUSH.

PRESIDENT OBAMA DID THE RIGHT

THING, I THINK, IN SURGING THERE

AND I THINK WE CAN DRAW DOWN AS

LONG AS WE DO SO RESPONSIBLY.

IT'S NOT EASY, THOUGH, AND

THERE'S NO ONE SOLUTION FOR EACH

PART OF THE WORLD, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT WE CAN'T TURN OUR BACKS ON

THE WORLD, JON.

I KNOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO.

I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT A STRAWMAN

HERE.

>> Jon: I'M VERY FOND OF THE

WORLD.

( LAUGHTER )

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET

HURT--

>> AND THE WORLD IS VERY FOND OF

YOU.

>> Jon: RIGHT NOW, THE MILITARY

AND MILITARY FAMILIES ARE

BEARING AN OVERWHELMING WEIGHT

OF THESE WARS, AND IT'S NOT FAIR

WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, AND

I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO COME

UP WAY WHOLE NEW STRATEGY,

THAT'S ALL.

( APPLAUSE )

I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ON

THE SHOW.

>> I AGREE WITH THE LAST

STATEMENT TO SOME DEGREE.

I DO --

>> YOU QUALIFY EVERYTHING.

>> IF YOU GO TO THE PENTAGON

THEY'LL SAY THAT, THE ARMY AND

MARINES ARE FIGHTING THE WAR AND

THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS

WATCHING.

THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO THAT.

ON THE OTHER HAND IT'S HARD TO

KNOW HOW TO

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