Exclusive - Kirsten Gillibrand Extended Interview Pt. 1

  • Aired:  08/08/13
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In this exclusive, unedited interview, New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand discusses her bipartisan bill to combat sexual abuse and retaliation in the military. (5:03)

(APPLAUSE)

NOW LOOK-- ONE OF THE

SENATORS TAKING CHARGE OF

THIS ISSUE IS NEW YORK'S OWN

KIR TEN GILLEBRAN.

SHE IS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO BE

WITH US HERE NOW.

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE

SHOW, SENATOR GILLIBRAND.

GLAD FOR TO YOU BE HERE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> SENATOR, YOU YOURSELF

HAVE A HISTORY OF TAKING ON

IMPORTANT ALBEIT NARROW

BILLS LIKE, THERE IS A BILL,

DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL.

WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THIS THAT

MADE YOU WANT TO DO

SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE

HUGE, HORRIFIC EVIDENCE.

>> WELL, IT REALLY WAS THE

PERSONAL STORIES OF SOME

VICTIMS.

I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW THESE

MEN AND WOMEN WHO WANT KNOCK

BUT TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY TO

STAND FOR OUR VALUES AN EVEN

DIE FOR OUR COUNTRY WERE

BEING SUBJECTED TO THIS, NOT

BY AN ENEMY ABROAD BUT

WITHIN THEIR OWN RANKS.

AND I WAS SO HEART BROKEN

THAT THEY EVEN SAID THINGS

LIKE I COULD SURVIVE THE

RAPE BUT WHAT I CON SURVIVE

WAS THE COMMANDING OFFICERS,

THE PEOPLE IN MY RANKS NOT

HAVING MY BACK, NOT

BELIEVING MEMENT AND FOR

26,000 CASES TO TAKE PLACE

LAST YEAR, IN LESS THAN 1%

PROSECUTED, IT'S OUTRAGE US.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACED

WITH.

>> IS WHAT WE JUST SAW PART

OF THE PROBLEM?

YOU LOOK AT THOSE OLD WHITE

PREDOMINANTLY MALE FACES.

THAT YOU ARE GOING UP

AGAINST IN THE EXTREME

THERE.

BECAUSE THE MILITARY IS BY

NATURE TERRITORIAL.

THAT'S KIND OF ITS MO.

AND THEY DON'T REALLY WANT

THE OUTSIDE FORCES ANYWHERE

NEAR THIS.

>> THEY DON'T WANT CHANGE.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM,

WHETHER YOU LOOK AT, WHEN

THEY DEALT WITH SEGREGATION,

INTEGRATION AS THE SERVICES,

WHEN IT WAS HAVING WOMEN

ENTER THE SERVICES, WHEN IT

WAS ALLOWING GAYS TO SERVE

OPENLY IN THE MILITARY.

EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY HAVE

OPPOSED THAT.

AND THEY USED THE SAME

NARRATIVE.

THEY KEEP SAYING YOU CAN'T

POSSIBLY DO THAT T WILL

SOMEHOW UNDERMINE GOOD

DISCIPLINE.

I HAVE NEW FOR ITS MILITARY,

26,000 SEXUAL ASSAULTS A

YEAR IS NOT GOOD ORDER AND

DISCIPLINE.

AND THEY ARE -- --

(APPLAUSE)

BUT HERE'S THE CONFUSING

THING FOR ME.

BECAUSE FROM MY EXPERIENCE

OF THE MILITARY MEETING AND

BEING MARRIED TO ONE OF THEM

F THERE'S ONE THING THE

MILITARY CAN DO IT'S

EVERYTHING.

THEY CAN DO INCREDIBLE

THINGS.

THEY ARE A MISSION-FOCUSED

GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO CAN

BUILD A TOWN IN THE MIDDLE

OF A DESERT AT NO MINUTES

NOTICE.

SO IF THIS IS A SIN OF

OMISSION IN A WAY BECAUSE

THEY'RE JUST NOT-- YOU FEEL

THAT IF THEY WANTED TO FIX

THIS, IT WOULD ALREADY HAVE

BEEN FIXED.

>> WELL, IT IS A FAILURE.

BECAUSE THE COMMANDERS ARE

RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE

THAT THERE IS A COMMAND

CLIMATE WHERE THIS RAPE

DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHERE A

SEXUAL ASSAULT DOESN'T

HAPPEN.

THENER THERE'S ALSO

RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE

THERE IS NO RETALIATIONMENT

BUT OF THE 3,000 VICTIMS WHO

DID REPORT THESE CRIMES LAST

YEAR, 62% SAID THEY WERE

RETALIATED AGAINST.

SO THEY ARE FAILING TO

CREATE GOOD ORDER AND

DISCIPLINE, FAILING TO

CREATE A CLIMATE WHERE

VICTIMS CAN COME FORWARD.

AND WE OWE THESE MEN AND

WOMEN WHO ARE SERVING OUR

COUNTRY MUCH MORE.

>> RIGHT, AND WHERE --

>> AND THANK YOU TO YOUR

WIFE FOR HER SERVICE, GOD

BLESS HER, GOD BLESS HER

(APPLAUSE)

>> SO WHERE IS THIS BILL?

YOU HAVE HOW MANY VOTE DOES

YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW?

BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY

POLITICS IS A NUMBERS GAME,

NOT A HUMAN EMOTION GAME.

>> WHAT THE GOAL OF THE BILL

IS, IS WITH VICTIMS TELL SUS

THEY DON'T TRUST THE CHAIN

OF COMMAND.

EVEN THOUGH THE COMMANDERS

YOU SHOWED A PICTURE OF,

THEY TESTIFIED, AND SAID

THEY DON'T TRUST US, THEY

DON'T TRUST THE CHAIN OF

COMMAND.

SO THE PROBLEM IS CLEAR.

WHAT WE WANT TO CREATE IS AN

OBJECTIVE REVIEW BY A

TRAINED MILITARY PROSECUTOR,

SOMEONE WITHOUT IS ACTUALLY

A LAWYER TRAINED TO WEIGH

EVIDENCE AND MAKE THE

FUNDAMENTAL DECISION, DOES

THE CASE GO FORWARD.

THAT DECISION TO BE

OBJECTIVE.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW A VICTIM,

THE PERSON IS GOING TO

DECIDE HER CASE IS HER BOSS,

WHO MAY WELL KNOW HER

ASSAILANT, WHO KNOWS HER.

THERE IS NO OBJECTIVITY.

SO WHAT WE ARE CREATING TO

CREATE IS AN OBJECTIVE

SYSTEM AND WE HAVE ABOUT 46

SENATORS WHO ARE PUBLICLY

SUPPORTING IT TODAY.

WE HAVE TO GET TO AT LEAST

51.

>> ALL LISS THIS IS SEXUAL

ASSAULT,.

>> IT IS MORE THAN HALF THE

VICTIM ARE MALE, MORE THAN

HALF.

>> LET'S JUST MAKE THAT

CLEAR.

THIS IS NOT --

>> NOT JUST ABOUT WOMEN,

MORE THAN HALF THE VICTIMS

ARE MALE.

>> NOW YOU MANAGED TO PICK

OFF ONE BY ONE SOME SENATORS,

ARE YOU INCLUDING TED CRUZ

AND RAND PAUL, DOES THAT

EVEN WHERE THE LEGITIMACY OF

THIS BILL DOES THAT EVER

GIVE YOU PAUSE THINKING HOLD

ON, TED CRUZ SUPPORTS THIS?

>> WELL, I'M VERY GRATEFUL

FOR THEIR SUPPORT.

AND SOME ISSUES WERE NOT

DEMOCRATIC ISSUES OR

REPUBLICAN ISSUES.

>> YES.

>> SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE

TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

AND I THINK THAT PRINCIPLES--

(APPLAUSE)

>> WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK

BREAK.

WE'RE GOING TO BACK WITH

MORE FROM THE SENATOR AFTER

THE BREAK.

SENATOR GILLEBRAND,

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