Richard Clarke

Aired:  05/29/08 Views: 79,613

Richard Clarke believes the way to get the government to work again is by taking politics out of national security. (6:49)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, WHO SAY

NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERT IN

THE BOTH THE CLINTON AND

GEORGE W. BUSH

ADMINISTRATIONS, THE BEST

SELLING AUTHOR OF "AGAINST

ALL ENEMIES" HIS NEW BOOK IS

CALLED "YOUR GOVERNMENT

FAILED YOU"

BREAKING THE CYCLE OF

NATIONAL SECURITY DISASTERS.

IT IS AN UPBEAT KIND OF

THRILLER.

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE

SHOW RICHARD CLARKE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

YOUNG MAN, NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> Jon: YOUR BOOK IS CALLED

"YOUR GOVERNMENT FAILED YOU"

I ASSUME YOU ARE TALKING

ABOUT THE PRESENT AND THE

ONCE YOU WORKED IN.

BUT BEFORE I WANT TO DO THAT,

THIS McCLELLAN THING ISEV

REE WHERE.

THIS SCOTT McCLELLAN BOOK,

HE WORKED IN THE

ADMINISTRATION.

HE WAS THE PRESS GUY.

HE HAS WRITTEN A TELL-ALL

THAT THEY ARE VERY ANGRY

ABOUT.

YOU WROTE A BOOK, "AGAINST

ALL ENEMIES" HAD WORKED FOR

THE ADMINISTRATION.

IT WAS CONSIDERED A

TELL-ALL.

I AM GOING TO READ YOU A

QUOTE.

WHEN YOUR BOOK CAME OUT,

THIS IS WHAT AN

ADMINISTRATION PERSON SAID

ABOUT YOU.

>> WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN IF HE

HAD ALL THESE GRAVE CONCERNS

DID HE NOT RAISE THESE

SOONER.

THIS IS ONE AND A HALF YEARS

AFTER HE LEFT THE

ADMINISTRATION, NOW ALL OF A

SUDDEN HE IS RAISING THESE

CONCERNS THAT HE CLAIMS HE

HAD.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT

SOME OF THE FACTS.

ONE HE IS BRINGING THIS UP

IN THE HEAT OF A

PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

HE HAS WRITTEN A BOOK AND

PRACTICALLY WANTS TO GO OUT

THERE AND PROMOTE THAT BOOK.

THAT WAS SCOTT McCLELLAN

TALKING ABOUT YOUR BOOK.

IS THIS -- WHAT ARE YOU

FEELING?

>> ARE YOU GOING THROUGH

CRAZY DEJA VU.

>> IT LIKE AN ECHO CHAMBER,

I TURNED ON THE TV THE OTHER

DAY AND THERE WERE WHITE

HOUSE PEOPLE SAYING HE IS A

DISGRUNTLED EX-EMPLOYEE.

WHERE DID YOU I HEAR THAT.

THAT HE IS OUT OF THE LOOP.

HE'S NEVER BEEN IN THE LOOP.

WHERE DID I HEAR THAT?

I THINK, I THINK THERE IS A

LITTLE BOX IN THE WHITE

HOUSE THAT SAYS IF ANYBODY,

YOU KNOW, ESCAPES FROM THE

WHITE HOUSE AND TELLS THE

TRUTH, BREAK THIS BOX AND

TAKE OUT THESE TALKING

POINTS.

AND IT IS --.

>> Jon: IT IS THE SAME

THING.

>> SAY HE IS A DISGRUNTLED

EMPLOYEE.

SAY IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR

AND HE IS TRYING TO SELL

BOOKS.

>> Jon: MY FAVORITE THING IS

THEY SAID THAT'S NOT THE

SCOTT I KNEW.

THE SCOTT WE KNEW LIED LIKE

A MOTHER [BLEEP]

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: DO YOU THINK -- BY

THE WAY, HE WILL BE ON ON

MONDAY.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: I WONDER IF THE

PRESIDENT WILL EVER WRITE A

BOOK, LIKE AFTER, BECAUSE SO

MANY PEOPLE -- MANY PEOPLE

HAVE WRITTEN THE BOOK THAT

ALL SAY THE SAME THING IT IS

NOT RIGHT, SAY A BOOK

OUTLOUD TO A GUY SITTING ON

A TYPEWRITER AND HIS BOOK

WILL BE LIKE EVERYBODY THAT

I WORKED WITH WAS DICKS.

I DIDN'T LIKE THEM.

HE WILL HAVE A TELL-ALL.

THEY WERE JERKS.

>> THERE IS SOME TRUTH THERE

IS A DICK CHENEY, THERE

IS --.

>> Jon: RIGHT, ALL THOSE

GUYS.

WHAT IN YOUR MIND,

EVERYTHING THAT WE HEAR IS A

REINFORCEMENT OF THE SAME

STORY.

THEY TALK ABOUT IT THAT IT

IS A CARICATURE.

ABOUT BUT THAT THEY OPERATED

AS A PERMANENT CAMPAIGN,

THAT THE POLITICAL

ATMOSPHERE OVERSHADOWED THE

POLICY ATMOSPHERE.

IS THAT WHAT IS IN PLAY AS

WELL WITH YOUR GOVERNMENT.

IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT YOU TAKE ISSUE WITH NOW

STILL?

>> WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO AND

YOUR GOVERNMENT FAILED YOU

IS SAY LOOK, IT'S NOT JUST

9/11.

IT'S NOT JUST IRAQ IT IS

GLOBAL WARMING.

IT IS KATRINA.

IT IS ON AND ON.

NOTHING WORKS ANY MORE IN

NATIONAL SECURITY.

>> Jon: BUT DO YOU THINK

THAT IS THEIR POINT?

>> NO, --.

>> Jon: THESE GUYS WENT IN

SAYING GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE

ANSWER.

AND NOW CLEARLY THEY ARE

SHOWING US WELL, I GUESS IF

YOU GUYS ARE RUNNING IT,

WELL, IT'S NOT.

>> JON, IF YOU BEAT UP ON

GOVERNMENT.

IF YOU MAKE GOVERNMENT A

POLITICAL PUNCHING BAG.

IF YOU THROW OUT THE GOOD

PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT AND

BRING IN A LOT OF POLITICAL

HACKS, THEN IT IS NOT GOING

TO WORK.

WELL, THAT'S FINE IF YOU

DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT TO DO

ANYTHING.

BUT THERE ARE LITTLE THINGS

GOVERNMENT HAS TO DO.

LIKE PROTECT US.

>> Jon: EVEN SMALL

GOVERNMENT PEOPLE WOULD GIVE

THAT JOB OVER TO THE

GOVERNMENT.

>> WELL, THEY DON'T WANT

ANYBODY TO REGULATE ANYTHING,

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN LITTLE CHILDREN ARE

LICKING CHINESE-MADE TOYS

THAT HAVE LEAD PAINT.

>> Jon: IN THEIR DEFENSE,

THEY ARE DELICIOUS.

(LAUGHTER)

>> I HEAR THEY CAUSE BRAIN

DAMAGE.

>> Jon: YES.

>> LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU

DON'T REGULATE LIKE MAYBE

THE MORTGAGE INDUSTRY WILL

GO A LITTLE CRAZY.

>> Jon: BUT ISN'T IT AN ODD

CONTRADICTION, THEY ABDICATE

RESPONSIBILITY WHILE

USURPING POER WITH.

IT SEEMS LIKE --

>> THEY WANT STRANGE -- THEY

WANT TO BE THE GOVERNMENT SO

THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DO

ANYTHING.

AND THAT'S REALLY -- THEY

BELIEVE THIS --.

>> Jon: THEY BELIEVE THIS IS

WILLFUL.

I KNOW THEY REPLACED ALL THE

INSPECTOR GENERALS.

THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR FIRST

MOVES.

>> THEY APPOINTED PEOPLE TO

ALL THESE REGULATORY

AGENCIES THAT WERE SUPPOSED

TO REGULATE THINGS TO

PROTECT US.

PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO

REGULATE AND PEOPLE WHO

AREN'T REGULATING.

>> Stephen: .

>> Jon: ISN'T THE DEPARTMENT

OF HOMELAND SECURITY JUST

ANOTHER GIANT REGULATORY

BUREAUCRACY THAT IS NOT

FUNCTIONING, OR HAVE THEY

CREATED IT IN SUCH A WAY

THAT IT CAN'T FUNCTION.

ARE THEY PAYING LIP SERVICE,

NOT THAT THE COLOR CODED

CHART IS NOT VALUABLE, I'M

NOT SAYING THAT.

>> THEY PUT MORE POLITICAL

APPOINTEES IN THE HOMELAND

SECURITY DEPARTMENT, WHICH

THEY CREATED AFTER 9/11 TO

PROTECT US.

MORE POLITICAL APPOINTEES IN

THAT DEPARTMENT THAN ANY

OTHER DEPARTMENT IN THE

GOVERNMENT AS A PERCENTAGE

OF THEIR PEOPLE.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

YEAH, THEY CREATED THIS HUGE

BUREAUCRACY.

BUT THEY DIDN'T SOLVE ANY

PROBLEMS.

>> Jon: THEIR ADMINISTRATION

WAS ABOUT CREATING A

POLITICAL MACHINE THAT COULD

CONTROL ALL THE LEVERS 9

GOVERNMENT AND SORT OF

PUSHING OUT, LET'S SAY --

THEIR IDEA WAS THE

CAREERISTS WERE THE

BUREAUCRATS WHO WOULDN'T GET

ANYTHING DONE.

LET'S GET GUYS IN THERE THAT,

YOU KNOW, WILL MARCH FOR US.

>> RIGHT.

AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO A

DOCTOR OR A LAWYER OR EVEN

AN AUTO MECHANIC, YOU WANT

TO KNOW THAT THEY WERE

TRAINED, THEY HAVE RECENTLY

BEEN RETRAINED AND

RECERTIFIED, THEY HAVE --

THE INDUSTRY HAS STANDARDS

AND PROCEDURES AND

ACCOUNTABILITY.

>> Jon: ME, I WANT TO KNOW

THEIR VIEWS ON GAY MARRIAGE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Jon: FOR ME, IF I HAVE A

MECHANIC I SAY ARE YOU NOT

TOUCHING MY CARBURETOR AS

LONG AS I MAKE SURE THAT TWO

MEN CAN LOVE EACH OTHER,

PLEASE.

>> THAT IS WHAT THEY DID

WITH THE PEOPLE THEY SENT TO

IRAQ.

THE PEOPLE THEY SENT TO OUR

EMBASSY IN IRAQ AFTER THEIR

INVASION, THEY ASKED THEM

WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON

ABORTION.

HALF THE PEOPLE THEY SENT,

HAD NEVER BEEN OUT OF THE

COUNTRY BEFORE.

THEY HAD TO APPLY FOR

PASSPORTS.

YOU WANTED THEM TO BE ABLE

TO SPEAK ARABIC, RIGHT.

THESE GUYS HADN'T EVEN BEEN

OUT OF THE COUNTRY BEFORE.

>> Jon: IS THERE AN

OPPORTUNITY TO RECLAIM THE

MANTEL OF COMPETENCE IN

GOVERNMENT, ESPECIALLY IN

WITH OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.

>> THAT IS WHAT THE BOOK IS

ABOUT.

IS HOW DO YOU GET THE

GOVERNMENT TO WORK AGAIN.

AND ONE WAY IS TO TAKE THE

POLITICS OUT OF NATIONAL

SECURITY.

>> Jon: ISN'T THE CAT OUT OF

THAT BAG.

HOW DO YOU --

>> YOU GRAB THE CAT AND PUT

IT BACK IN THE BAG.

>> Jon: HAVE YOU EVER HAD A

CAT.

>> NO.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: YOU CAN BARELY GET

THEM -- [BLEEP].

>> I HEAR YOU.

>> Jon: WELL, WE'RE OUT OF

TIME BUT IT IS A REALLY NICE,

STRAIGHTFORWARD COMMON SENSE

APPROACH TO THE WHOLE THING.

SO I THINK THAT ASSURES THAT

IT WILL NOT BE FOLLOWED.

>> PROBABLY NOT.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: BUT WE APPRECIATE

YOU COMING.

THANKS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: YOUR GOVERNMENT

FAILED YOU IS ON THE BOOK

SHELVES NOW.

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