Sheryl Sandberg

  • Aired:  04/03/13
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Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg confirms that her co-workers are not only allowed, but encouraged to mess around on Facebook, all day. (6:31)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT SHE'S THE COO OF FACEBOOK.

HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED "LEAN IN: WOMEN, WORK AND THE WILL TO LEAD." PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM

SHERYL SANDBERG.

HELLO.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M GREAT, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> Stephen: I'M DELIGHTED YOU ARE HERE.

THE BOOK IS CALLED "LEAN IN." YOU ARE THE COO OF FACEBOOK.

>> CORRECT.

>> Jon: CURIOSITY FOR MY SAKE, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH PEOPLE AT WORK MESSING AROUND ON FACEBOOK?

>> WE ENCOURAGE IT.

>> Jon: IT IS -- IT'S NOT LIKE GET TO WORK.

YOU ARE LIKE OH, YEAH!

YOU CAN DO THAT ALL DAY.

>> ALL DAY.

ALL DAY.

WE USE IT.

YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO APPLY --

>> Jon: I DON'T HAVE A THING.

I DON'T HAVE AN ACCOUNT BECAUSE I DON'T -- I'M NOT -- I DON'T LIKE THE POKING PEOPLE.

BELIEVE ME I HAVE AN AOL DISK I PUT IN.

MY MODEM MAKES NOISE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

THE BOOK -- LISTEN, YOU'VE WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT WOMEN'S ROLE IN THE WORKPLACE.

YOU MUST HAVE KNOWN WHEN YOU OPEN UP THAT DISCUSSION IT OPENS YOU UP TO A GREAT DEAL OF SHALL

WE SAY SPIRITED COMMENTARY BACK.

>> I KNEW THAT.

>> Jon: HAS THAT SURPRISED YOU?

>> NO.

THIS IS ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS INDIVIDUALS, WHO WE ARE AS PARENTS, WORKERS AS COLLEAGUES.

IT'S PERSONAL FOR ME, TOO.

I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT DEBATE BECAUSE I WROTE "LEAN IN" BECAUSE I'M WORRIED THAT THE

BLUNT TRUTH IS MEN STILL RUN THE WORLD AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GOING THAT WELL.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: I DON'T --

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

HONESTLY, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

[ LAUGHTER ]

BUT YOU WOULD -- SINCE THE 70s WOMEN HAVE -- I MEAN WOMEN GRADUATE HIGHER EDUCATION MORE

THAN MEN.

THEY'VE CERTAINLY ACHIEVED A GREAT DEAL MORE IN THE WORKING WORLD THAN THEY HAVE.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE BARRIERS ARE STILL THERE OR THAT THERE'S A DISCUSSION GOING ON EVENING

AMONGST WOMEN THAT THERE'S AN AMBIVALENCE THERE AS WELL?

>> SINCE THE 1970'S WOMEN HAVE MADE MORE AND MORE PROGRESS AT EVERY LEVEL EXCEPT AT THE TOP.

WOMEN HAVE HAD 14% OF THE TOP JOBS IN AMERICA FOR TEN YEARS.

THERE'S A PLATEAU.

THERE'S A STAGNATION.

WE'RE HELD BACK BY LOTS OF THINGS, SEXISM, DISCRIMINATION AND TERRIBLE PUBLIC POLICY.

WE'RE ALSO HELD BACK BY THE STEREOTYPE.

GO TO A PLAYGROUND THIS WEEKEND AND YOU'LL HEAR LITTLE GIRLS CALLED BOSSY.

YOU WON'T HEAR LITTLE BOYS CALLED BOSSY BECAUSE WE EXPECT THEM.

RATHER THAN CALL LITTLE GIRLS BOSSY WE SHOULD SAY MY DAUGHTER HAS EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP SKILLS.

[LAUGHTER]

>> Jon: MAY I ASK YOU: IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT WHAT THEY CALL US?

>> YES, THERE IS ACTUALLY.

BECAUSE THE MESSAGE IS THAT MEN NEED TO LEAN IN, TOO.

>> Jon: I MEANT OUR KIDS.

>> WHAT YOUR KIDS CALL YOU?

>> Jon: YES.

>> NO, THAT'S OUT OF MY REALM.

>> Jon: IF A GUY WROTE THIS BOOK ABOUT MEN.

IT WOULDN'T GET HEATED.

WOMEN GET JUDGED ON A MUCH STRICTER BASIS FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

I FEEL LIKE NO MATTER WHAT WOMEN PUT OUT THERE IT BECOMES DRKT WOMAN WHO PUT OUT HER BOOK ON

RAISING KIDS SHE BECAME KNOWN AS THE TIGER MOM.

SOMETHING ELSE.

SHE TOOK WAY MORE FLACK THAN IF A MAN PUT OUT A SIMILAR BOOK.

WHY DO YOU THINK WOMEN ARE JUDGE JUDGED MORE HASHY?

>> THE STEREOTYPES RUN DEEP AND SMART IN CHILDHOOD.

MEN SHOULD LEAD, SPEAK UP AND HAVE OPINION.

WOMEN SHOULD NURTURE, HELP OTHERS AND SIT BACK.

NATIONAL RETAILER PRINTED UP T-SHIRTS THE BOYS, SMART LIKE DADDY, THE GIRLS, PRETTY LIKE MOMMY.

NOT IN THE 1950'S, TWO YEARS AGO.

WHEN MEN SPEAK OUT AND GET MORE SUCCESSFUL THEY ARE BETTER LIKED BUT WOMEN ARE LESS LIKED.

I THINK WE CAN CHANGE THAT.

NOW IS OUR MOMENT TO CHANGE THAT.

IF WE UNDERSTAND THE STEREOTYPES AND HOW THEY ARE HOLDING US BACK, THEY CAN CHANGE.

>> Jon: HOW MUCH IS ACCESS TO THE HALLS OF POWER AND HOW MUCH IS THE AMBIVALENCE FOR WOMEN

EVENING AMONGST THEMSELVES BECAUSE IT SEEMED EASIER TO CHANGE THE ACCESS TO POWER THAN

TO CHANGE THE CULTURAL PRESSURES THAT WOMEN FACE.

I THINK WOMEN FACE VERY, VERY STRONG CULTURAL PRESSURE.

>> HUGE.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO CHANGE BOTH.

WE HAVEN'T CHANGED BOTH.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.

THIS HOLDS WOMEN BACK.

MY FRIEND RACHAEL WAS TALKING ABOUT THE BOOK SHE'S FIVE.

WHAT IF I TOLD YOU IF DADDY DID BETTER AT WORK EVERYONE LIKES HIM MORE AND IF MOMMY DOES

BETTER AT WORK PEOPLE LIKED ME LESS WELL.

SHE SAID MOMMY, I WOULD DO LESS WELL AT WORK SO PEOPLE WILL LIKE ME.

IF WE ALL LEAN IN AND START APPLAUDING GIRLS FOR LEADING ARC PLAYING WOMEN FOR REACHING FOR

AMBITIOUS POSTS WE CAN CHANGE THIS.

>> Jon: HERE IS THE OTHER THING --

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

YEAH!

STICK AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT.

THE OTHER THING THAT THAT WOMAN COULD DO IS BUY THEM CHILDREN'S BOOKS FROM NOW ON.

>> THAT WOULD WORK, TOO.

THIS IS HEAVY DUTY FOR A FIVE-YEAR-OLD.

[LAUGHTER]

I JUST RECENTLY GOT OUT OF HARRY POTTER SERIES.

[LAUGHTER]

"LEAN IN" IT'S ON THE BOOKSHELVES NOW.

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