Fareed Zakaria

  • Aired:  07/24/14
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Fareed Zakaria explains why this is not the worst time in history and imagines working for Jon Stewart, should the www.LetsBuyCNN.com Kickstarter campaign succeed. (7:41)

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, HE IS THE HOSTOF CNN'S "FAREED ZAKARIA GPS."

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO OURPROGRAM FAREED ZAKARIA.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M WELL.

I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS, BECAUSE IREALIZE I MIGHT BE SPEAKING TO

MY FUTURE BOSS.

>> Jon: YES.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING?

OUR FAKE KICK STARTER TO BUY CNNIS UP TO $150 BILLION NOW.

PEOPLE ARE PLEDGING $10 BILLION,$15 BILLION, $20 BILLION.

I MEAN, WHEN WE CHARGE THEIRCREDIT CARDS, I HAVE A FEELING

WE'LL BE DISAPPOINTED.

>> BUT I THINK, I, I HOPE THATYOU, THAT YOU END UP GETTING

CNN. I THINK IT WOULD BE AFASCINATING CHALLENGE FOR YOU.

NO, IT'S TRUE...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: I WOULD LOVE NOTHING

MORE THAN THAT.

>> I THINK YOU'D LOVE IT. IMEAN, BECAUSE

YOU DO AN AMAZINGJOB. YOU PROGRAM HALF AN HOUR.

>> Jon: 22 MINUTES.>> 22 MINUTES.

>> Jon: 22 MINUTES, BUT I DO ITFOUR DAYS A WEEK.

>> I'LL GIVE YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU,I'LL GIVE YOU THE OTHER EIGHT

MINUTES.

>> Jon: AND IT'S KILLING ME.

>> SO THAT'S TWO HOURS OFPROGRAMMING A WEEK.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> RIGHT? CNN HAS 24 HOURS TIMESSEVEN...

>> Jon: SURE.>> 168 HOURS.

>> Jon: YEAH, BUT I'LL DO WHATCNN DOES.

I'LL JUST LET WOLF BLITZER FILLIN THE REST OF THE 18 HOURS.

[LAUGHTER]I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT...

YOU HAVE WRITTEN RECENTLY, THISIS NOT THE WORST TIME IN

HISTORY.

EXPLAIN YOURSELF.

[LAUGHTER]>> WELL, YOU KNOW, JON, IT

WAS RIFFING OFF ASPEECH JOHN McCAIN MADE, ONE OF

YOUR FAVORITES.

>> Jon: WHO?

[LAUGHTER]>> AND HE SAID THAT THIS IS THE

MOST TERRIBLE, YOU KNOW,INTERNATIONAL SECURITY SITUATION

I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFETIME,AND IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF

PRESIDENT OBAMA. AND IJUST THOUGHT WE NEEDED

SOME PERSPECTIVE THAT, YOU KNOW,DURING THE COLD WAR, THE

SUPERPOWERS HAD 45,000 NUCLEARMISSILES POINTED AT EACH OTHER.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> WE WENT, WE WENT TO WAR INVIETNAM WHERE

WE LOST 50, WHATEVER IT WAS,ALMOST 60,000 AMERICANS, BUT THE

VIETNAMESE LOST THREE MILLION BYSOME COUNTS, AT LEAST ONE

MILLION.

THERE WAS THE 1973 WAR BETWEENEGYPT AND ISRAEL.

WE WENT UP TO DEFCON THREE,WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHEST

STATE OF ALERT OTHER THANTHE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH SOME PRETTYTOUGH STUFF. YES...

>> Jon: WE FOUGHT A CIVIL WAR,WE, WE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF

PEOPLE.

>> YOU MIGHT HAVE FORGOTTEN,THAT WASN'T DURING McCAIN'S

LIFETIME. IT DOES SEEM, IT DOESSEEM THAT WAY.

[LAUGHTER][CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

THOUGH I CAN UNDERSTAND THEMISTAKE.

>> Jon: HE'S GOING TO LOVETHAT.

>> SO, SO THE POINT I WASMAKING WAS WE'RE FACING SERIOUS,

COMPLICATED ISSUES.THE RUSSIA DOING WHAT IT'S DOING

IN CRI -->> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT, YOU KNOW, THE RUSSIANSINVADED CZECHOSLOVAKIA IN '68,

AND HUNGARY IN '56.THERE WERE TWO RUSSIAN ATTEMPTS

TO SQUASH, YOU KNOW, THEIRSATELLITES.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH TOUGH STUFF,BUT LET'S NOT START TALKING

ABOUT HOW, OH MY GOD, YOUKNOW, THE WORLD IS

COLLAPSING, WE'VE NEVER SEENANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.

AND THAT DID SEEM VERY PARTISANRATHER THAN SOME KIND OF AN

OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF THESITUATION.

>> Jon: FROM McCAIN.>> WELL...

>> Jon: UNUSUAL FOR HIM.

>> WELL, AS YOU KNOW, HE USED TOBE... THERE WAS A TIME WHEN

MCCAIN WAS, WAS DIFFERENT.

>> Jon: YEAH, NO. HE GOT BIT BYA MOSQUITO OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL, IDON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL

HAPPENED TO THAT GUY, BUTWOULDN'T YOU SAY... IT SEEMS TO

ME THAT A LOT OF THE ISSUE ISINSTABILITY IS MUCH EASIER.

TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE IT SO THATINSTABILITY IS EASIER TO CREATE.

IT TAKES LESS MONEY AND LESSPEOPLE TO CREATE INSTABILITY IN

REGIONS THAN IT USED TO BECAUSETHEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON

RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATEDWEAPONRY FOR VERY SMALL GROUPS.

>> YEAH, THIS IS THE BIG CHANGEIN A SENSE THAT'S TAKEN PLACE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEDEMOCRATIZATION OF VIOLENCE,

YOU KNOW.>> Jon: YES.

>> TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE IT SOTHAT YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED

WITH THIS PLANE.

IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE EVEN TENYEARS AGO I THINK FOR SMALL

GROUP OF THUGS TO FIRE A MISSILETHAT COULD GO 33,000 FEET UP IN

THE AIR AND TAKE OUT A CIVILIANAIRLINER.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> YOU COULD GET TO LOWER-FLYINGAIRCRAFT.

YOU COULD GET TO HELICOPTERS.

>> Jon: AND THEY HAVE THOSESHOULDER MISSILES.

>> RIGHT. AND THERE WASSHOULDER AND...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT NOW WHAT YOU HAVE IS IT'SESSENTIALLY THE BACK OF A TRUCK.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING WHICH HAS ARADAR THAT IS PRETTY

SOPHISTICATED.

NOW, HERE'S THE CATCH, IT'SSOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO TELL YOU

THAT THERE'S AN AIRLINER ANDYOU CAN HIT IT.

IT CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER IT'SCIVILIAN OR MILITARY.

FOR THAT YOU NEED TO BE PLUGGEDINTO A MUCH WIDER RADAR SYSTEM.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO, IT SHOWS YOU, YOU KNOW,YOU HAVE ENOUGH POWER TO BE

REALLY RESPONSIBLEAND NIHILISTIC. AND THAT'S...

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> THAT'S THE DANGER.

>> Jon: AND, THAT'S THE DANGER.

AND THEN INSTAGRAM IT AS SOON ASYOU DID IT. LIKE THAT'S...

>> RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOINGTHIS THING NOW WHERE THEY WEAVE

CHAOS AND THEN POST IT.>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS TOBE THEIR METHODOLOGY. AND THEN

THAT CATCHES FIRE AMONGST OTHERDISAFFECTED GROUPS.

SO DOESN'T THAT THROW INTO...

THIS ENTIRE PARADIGM OF AMERICANPOWER THAT SUPPRESSES THESE

POCKETS OF INSTABILITY ISENTIRELY BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER,

THIS IDEA THAT, OH, IF WE JUSTCHANGE REGIMES WE WILL STABILIZE

COUNTRIES.

WHAT WE SEE NOW IS, WE SOWCHAOS.

>> WELL, IT SHOWS YOU THATANYONE TRYING TO DO IT, IT'S

MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. LOOK...

>> Jon: RIGHT. BUT NO ONE ELSESEEMS TO TRY TO DO IT.

>> NO, THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT ISTRYING IN THEIR OWN WAY...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> TO SUPPRESS WHAT THEY REGARDAS INSTABILITY, AND EVEN WITH

THE BRUTAL MECHANISM THEY'REUSING, IT'S NOT WORKING.

THE RUSSIANS TRIED IT INCHECHNYA, THEY MANAGED TO DO IT,

KILLED 250,000 CIVILIANS INDOING IT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> BUT YOU, FUNDAMENTALLY...

>> Jon: WELL, ISRAEL FACESTHE SAME THING.

>> IT DOES. EXACTLY.>> Jon: THEY THINK THAT

OVERWHELMING FORCEWILL BE THE ONLY THING...

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND THEN THE PEOPLEIN THAT AREA WHO ARE TRAPPED WHO

ARE NOT PART OF HAMAS...>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: OR NOT A PART OF THISINSURRECTION ARE DEVASTATED.

>> RIGHT. THE COST OF DISRUPTIONHAS DROPPED DRAMATICALLY.

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> AND THE COST OF ESTABLISHING

ORDER OF SOME KIND IS INCREDIBLYHIGH.

SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IRAQ, YOUKNOW, WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IF

WE HAD STAYED THERE, WOULD THATREALLY, WOULD 5,000 AMERICAN

TROOPS MANAGED TO TURN THISAROUND, IT SEEMS UNLIKELY.

>> Jon: RIGHT. 100,000 DIDN'TGET IT TO THE LEVEL OF STABILITY

THAT'S REQUIRED BY SOME OF THESECOUNTRIES.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Jon: IN YOUR MIND, IS THISNOW THEN THE NEW NORMAL

THAT WE LIVE WITH IS POCKETS OFINSTABILITY THAT CREATE

THESE CONFLAGRATIONS RATHER THANSORT OF WORLD CONFLICTS?

>> WELL, I THINK THE CRUCIALISSUE IS WHERE THE STATE HAS

LOST LEGITIMACY.

AND YOU SEE THAT IN THE BROADERMIDDLE EAST. YOU KNOW,

IF YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE EAST,20 YEARS AGO FROM LIBYA,

TUNISIA, EGYPT, IRAQ, SYRIA, YOUHAD A STABLE ORDER, BUT IT WAS

BASED ON REPRESSION.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO THE LEGITIMACY OF ALLTHOSE REGIMES IS GONE.

AND WHAT IT TURNS OUT IS THEREIS NOTHING HOLDING THOSE

COUNTRIES TOGETHER.

SO PEOPLE ARE PULLING BACK TOTHEIR DEEPER ROOTS, SHIA, SUNNI,

KURD.

>> Jon: DIFFERENT IDENTITIES,TRIBAL AND RELIGIOUS.

>> AND IN THAT SITUATION, ITHINK IT'S VERY HARD TO KEEP THE

STATE TOGETHER. I DON'T THINKIT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROBLEM

IN PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE ACOHERENT NATIONAL IDENTITY AND

THE STATE IS SEEN ASLEGITIMATE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT THERE WILL BE THOSEPOCKETS, AND THOSE I THINK

YOU'LL JUST HAVE A WORLDOF THOSE BADLANDS.

>> Jon: SO, THE NEW STATUS QUOIS WARLORDS AND A MORE FEUDAL

SYSTEM AND A BALKANIZATION...>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND THE REST OF US JUSTHAVE TO HOPE

THAT NOBODY THERE GETS A NUKE.

>> AND... RIGHT. AND, DON'T GOTHERE. YOU KNOW,

TRAVEL ADVISORIES ARE GOODFOREIGN POLICY FOR A WHILE.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYSI THINK A RAY OF SUNSHINE AND

OPTIMISTIC VOICE IN AWORLD OF DARKNESS.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

>> THANK, THANK YOU, BOSS.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: I CAN'T WAIT.

"FAREED ZAKARIA GPS."

IT AIRS SUNDAYS AT 10:00 A.M.

AND 1:00 P.M. ON JON STEWART'SCNN.

FAREED ZAKARIA.

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