Exclusive - Richard Haass Extended Interview Pt. 1

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In this exclusive, unedited interview, Richard Haass explains why strong foreign policy begins with a sound domestic front. (6:27)

[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]

>> John: MY GUEST TONIGHT IS ON

THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN

RELATIONS.

A CASE FOR PUTTING AMERICA'S

HOUSE IN ORDER.

PLEASE WELCOME RICHARD HAASS.

[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]

>> John: FOREIGN POLICY BEGINS

AT HOME BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR IT

DOESN'T STAY THERE, DOES IT?

>> THAT IS NOT THE PRESCRIPTION

FOR THIS BOOK.

THIS IS MORE LIKE AN EXERCISE

MANUAL FOR AMERICA TO WORK ON

ITS CORE.

>> STRATEGIC PLOTTING.

John: IT MIGHT NOT LOOK LIKE

MUCH BUT THAT'S WHERE THE REAL

POWER COMES FROM.

>> IN THE LONG RUN WE CAN'T

CHASE THE WORLD UNLESS WE HAVE

TO SET AN EXAMPLE.

IN THE LONG RUN WE HAVE TO BE

STRONG AT HOME.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ISOLATIONISM BUT

A PRESCRIPTION FOR LONG-TERM

AMERICAN LEADERSHIP.

>> John: THIS IS A SURPRISING

BOOK COMING FROM YOU.

SOMEONE HAS RESPONSIBILITY THEIR

WHOLE LIFE IN FOREIGN POLICY.

>> HERE I AM ON THE COUNCIL OF

FOREIGN RELATIONS.

I SPENT MY WHOLE CAREER WORKING

ON FOREIGN POLICY AND WHAT I'M

SAYING IS THERE'S TOO MUCH

EMPHASIS ON THE FOREIGN POLICY

SIDE NOT ENOUGH ON THE DOMESTIC.

IT'S NOT AN END IN ITSELF.

BUT WE HAVE TO DO MORE HERE SO

WE CAN DO MORE THERE.

>> John: THIS IS TRULY SOMETHING

THAT IS IN FACT AMERICA'S

FOREIGN POLICY OR THROWING MONEY

AT THE PROBLEM.

WE SEE THAT HAPPENING NOW IN

EGYPT.

LET'S JUST APPLY THIS BOOK TO

EGYPT.

YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT HOW AMERICA

MAY BE BETTER OFF WITH EVOLUTION

OR REVOLUTION, WHICH RHYMES SO

IT DEFINITELY CARRIES SOME

WEIGHT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

>> THE MIDDLE EAST NO LONGER

SHOULD DOMINATE AMERICA'S

FOREIGN POLICY.

IN THE MIDDLE EAST IN A PLACE

LIKE EGYPT WE OUGHT TO BE SAYING

IF YOU WANT OUR SUPPORT, YOU

HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN CONDITIONS:

ECONOMIC REFORM, POLITICAL

REFORM.

YOU CAN'T INSIST BUT YOU CAN SAY

HERE'S THE INCENTIVE AND HERE'S

THE PENALTY IF YOU DON'T DO IT.

>> John: THERE'S A SITUATION NOW

WHERE WE... THE MILITARY SEEMS

TO HAVE... NO ONE IS SAYING THAT

MORSI WAS A PARTICULARLY GOOD

MAN.

BUT JUST TO HAVE A FOREIGN

POLICY IN PLACE.

>> THE DIFFERENCE IS WHAT

HAPPENS IN EGYPT IS THE

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEMOCRACY AND

ELECTIONS.

MORSI WON AN ELECTION BUT HE

DIDN'T RULE BUT THE UNITED

STATES IS BASICALLY SAYING, IF

YOU DECLARE A COUPs, YOU HAVE

TO STOP.

YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE

MILITARY WILL START GOING DOWN A

PATH OF DEMOCRACY.

YOU WANT TO AVOID USING THE

LANGUAGE.

IF THE MILITARY ALLOWS... FOR

EXAMPLE, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

IS IS ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN

POLITICS.

>> John: ALSO ANOTHER

PRESCRIPTION MORE SPECIFIC.

WE'RE SAYING WSHED NOT HAVE

DEMOCRACY OVERSEAS.

NOW THAT SEEMS VERY STRAIGHT

COMING FROM AN AMERICAN WHO ALSO

WORKS FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT

WHEN WE ABSOLUTELY SPREAD

DEMOCRACY LIKE A CROP SPRAYER.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE

DONE IS EVEN THOUGH WE'RE THE

MOST POWERFUL IN THE COUNTRY,

THERE ARE LOCAL ECONOMICS AND

LOCAL RELIGION.

WHEN WE TRIED TO REMAKE IRAQ AND

AFGHANISTAN, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

WERE SPENT, I DON'T THINK WE

HAVE AN AWFUL LOT TO SHOW FOR

IT.

IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF

HUMILITY, SOME UNDERSTANDING.

IT HAS REPERCUSSIONS FOR WHAT WE

DO AND ALSO WHAT WE DON'T DO.

>> YOU ALSO LOOK IN TERMS OF OUR

FOREIGN POLICY AND NEGATING

THINGS AT HOME YOU LOOK AT WHAT

WE ASKED TROOPS TO DO OVERSEAS

IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN, WE'VE

ASKED THEM TO WORK IN WHAT SEEMS

DEPLORABLE CONDITIONS.

THAT SEEMS TO BE THE PERFECT

MODEL FOR THE DISCREPANCY HERE.

>> WE HAVE PROBLEMS.

THEY NEED JOBS AND ACCESS TO

ADEQUATE HEALTH CARE.

WE HAVE TO PUT MORE RESOURCES

INTO THAT.

THE COUNTRY WILL BE STABLE AND

PROSPEROUS AND WE'LL HAVE MORE

THAN ENOUGH LEFT OVER TO

CONTINUE THE CASE.

WE HAVE TO CONTINUE DOING THINGS

OVERSEAS.

IF WE DON'T DO IT NO ONE ELSE

WILL.

NO ONE ELSE IS WILLING AND ABLE

TO TAKE ON THE LEADERSHIP.

>> John: WE NEED TO PAY MORE

ATTENTION.

>> WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT HERE.

LIKE EISENHOWER AND OTHERS

NATIONAL SECURITY NOT JUST

FOREIGN POLICY.

THERE HAS TO BE ECONOMIC

SECURITY AND ECONOMIC STRENGTH.

>> John: STICK AROUND.

THERE'S MORE TO TALK ABOUT.

FOREIGN POLICY BEGINS AT HOME.

ON THE BOOK SHELVES N

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