Rachel Maddow

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MSNBC host Rachel Maddow shares her motivations for delving back into the sordid past of the Iraq War in her documentary "Why We Did It." (6:58)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT THE HOST OFMSNBC'S RACHEL MADDOW SHOW

HER NEW DOCUMENTARY FOR MSNBC ISCALLED

"WHY WE DID IT."

THE GENERAL SELECTED BY THEPENTAGON TO STABILIZE THE

SITUATION AND QUICKLY TURN OVERPOWER TO THE IRAQIS FINDS THAT

HIS MISSION HAS CHANGED.

>> I DID NOT WANT TO SLIP FROMLIBERATION TO OCCUPATION.

I THOUGHT IT'S THE WORST THINGTO DO.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS FROMRUMSFELD TO THE WHITE HOUSE FROM

EVERYWHERE THAT WE WERE GOING TOGO IN THERE AND SET UP AN

INTERIM GOVERNMENT ASRAPID AS WE COULD.

WHEN THE AMBASSADOR BREMER CAMEOVER THAT DIRECTION HAD CHANGED.

>> Jon: PLEASE WELCOME BACK TOTHE PROGRAM RACHEL MADDOW.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]HOW ARE YOU?

>> HI, I'M GREAT.

>> Jon: THANK YOU FOR BEINGHERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: I HAVE TO GLUE THATDOWN.

SO THERE'S A -- YOU'VE DONE THISA DOCUMENTARY ABOUT WHY WE WENT

TO WAR IN IRAQ.

THERE'S A SAYING, "THOSE WHOFORGET -- NO "THOSE WHO REVISIT

HISTORY WILL GET SAD."

[LAUGHTER]WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF?

WHY DID YOU DELVE BACK INTOTHE

MORASS, THE ABYSS THAT IS THEIRAQ WAR?

>> IT IS HISTORY BUT I FEEL LIKEIT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT

UNANSWERED QUESTION IN THEMODERN HISTORY WHICH IS WHY WE

WENT TO THAT WAR.

I DID A DOCUMENTARY A LITTLEMORE THAN A YEAR AGO ABOUT HOW

WE WERE LIED TO, ABOUT HOW THEADMINISTRATION'S CASE ABOUT WHY

WE HAD TO GO TO WAR IN IRAQWASN'T TRUE AND THEY SOLD US A

FALSE CASE?

>> Jon: WHAT?

>> IT LEADS RIGHT AWAY TO THENEXT QUESTION: IF THE CASE

WASN'T REALLY WHY THEY WANTED TOGO, WHY DID THEY REALLY WANT TO

GO?

TWO MILLION AMERICANS SERVEDTHERE AND 4,000 AMERICANS DIED

THERE. WE OWE IT TOTHEM IF NOTHING ELSE TO

KNOW WHERE THEY SERVED THERE ANDTHAT HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED YET.

AND NOW THAT IT'S TEN YEARS ONTHERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT

WOULDN'T TALK BEFORE WHO NOWWILL TALK ABOUT THEIR ROLE IN

IT AND A BUNCH OF DOCUMENTS WECOULDN'T GET OUR HANDS ON

BEFORETHAT WE NOW HAVE.

>> Jon: WHAT IS IT ABOUT THATTEN YEAR PERIOD? I WOULD THINK

THAT TEN YEARS IS STILLRECENT ENOUGH THAT THESE

INDIVIDUALS TYPICALLYLIKE -- YOU IMAGINESOMEBODY WRITING A

LETTER AND GOING "WHEN I DIEWAIT 25 YEARS TO OPEN THIS."

IT'S INTERESTING THEY WOULD PUTTHEMSELVES OUT THERE FOR IT.

>> YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN WESTARTED THE DOCUMENTARY IF WE

WOULD BE BASING IT ON DOCUMENTSAND NOBODY WOULD TALK TO US.

BUT IT TURNS OUT PEOPLE AREWILLING TO TALK TO US.

THERE'S SORT OF UNLIKELY HEROES,SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN

HIGH PROFILE FOLKS THAT WERESENT TO IRAQ AND

BELIEVED THE PUBLIC CASEAND REALIZED OH THAT IS NOT WHY

WE'RE HERE AND HAVE BEENCARRYING THAT EVER SINCE.

>> Jon: WOULD ZINNI BE ONE OFTHOSE CHARACTERS?

>> IN A WAY, YEAH.

I THINK ANYBODY WITH POLITICALASPIRATIONS KNOWS THEY ARE NOT

GOING TO COME TO FRUITIONTHROUGH BEING VETERANS OF

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY THEREPUBLICAN PARTY WORKED OUT.

[ LAUGHTER ]MAYBE THAT FANTASY IS EXPIRED.

>> Jon: ARE THEY FEELING -- ISTHERE A BITTERNESS THERE AMONGST

THOSE THAT WERE QUOTE UNQUOTEGOOD SOLDIERS THAT FEEL LEFT

BEHIND?

>> THERE'S A DESIRE, I THINK, TOHEAR THE TRUTH TOLD

THERE ARE TWO MILLION IRAQ WARVETERANS IN THIS COUNTRY AND

4,000 FAMILIES WHO LOSTSOMEBODY. AND WHEN YOU THINK

ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU LOOK ATWOUNDED WARRIORS, YOU LOOK AT

THE PEOPLE WHO ARECARRYING THIS WITH THEM

THE REST OF THEIR LIVESI THINK PEOPLE WHO WERE

PART OF IT IN SOME WAYSWANT TO SEE THOSE PEOPLE AND

HEAR THE TRUTH.

IT HAS NEVER BEEN EXPLAINED.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: THE QUESTION I HAVE IS

THERE'S BEEN AN UNDERCURRENT OFTHIS FOR TEN YEARS DOES IT NEED

BE RELENTLESSLY TOLD OVER ANDOVER AGAIN?

WHO OWNS THE HISTORY OF THIS ANDHOW DOES THAT SHAPE OUR

PERCEPTION OF THIS AND HOW HAVETHEY TRIED TO SHAPE IT IN A

MANNER THAT IS MUCH MOREPOSITIVE TO THEIR PERSPECTIVE?

>> I THINK THE MOST INSIDIOUSWAY THEY'VE TRIED TO SHAPE IS TO

SAY LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THISANYMORE.

I KNOW WE NEVER ANSWERED THATQUESTION BUT LET'S LET IT GO.

THE IRAQ WAR LOOMS VERY LARGEOVER THE DECISIONS WE MAKE NOW

OVER NATIONAL SECURITY.

NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO WARAGAINST RUSSIA OVER THIS CRIMEA

THING.

>> Jon: I'VE BEEN WATCHING THENEWS.

>> WE ARE ALL UKRAINIANS NOWACCORDING TO SENATOR McCAIN.

>> Jon: IT'S INCREDIBLE, TOO,HOW QUICKLY THEY JUMP.

WE LISTEN TO ALL THESEINDIVIDUALS WHO WERE SO WRONG,

LED US SO AWRY IN THE IRAQ WARAND THEY ARE IMMEDIATELY ON

TELEVISION WITH GREATCONFIDENCE.

WE'RE SO NAIVE.

IT'S BEEN 48 HOURS ATTACK!

THE HUBRIS IS INCREDIBLE.

>> YEAH.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE HADN'TBEEN ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE

PEOPLE WHO WERE WRONG THE FIRSTTIME.

THE PEOPLE WHO SAID WE OUGHT TOGO. IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE MANY

PEOPLE. IT'S GOINGTO PAY FOR IT IS. IT DOESN'T

MATTER THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SETUP A GOVERNMENT. IRAQ

IT WILL BE A JEFFERSONIANDEMOCRACY IN THE HEART OF MIDDLE

EAST.

THOSE GUYS -- PAUL WOLFOWITZ GOTTO GO RUN THE WORLD BANK?

REALLY? YOU SHOULDN'T BE RUNNINGA LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM IN A SMALL

TOWN IN A COUNTRY OTHER THANTHIS ONE THAT WE DISLIKE.

[LAUGHTER]YOU CAN'T HAVE CREDIBILITY ON

NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES YOUCAN'T BE BILL KRISTOL WHO'S

BANGING THE DRUMS HARDER THANANYONE ELSE THAT WE OUGHT TO GO

TO IRAQ AND NOW BANGING THEDRUMS FOR ANY SUBSEQUENT WAR.

SHAME ON US FOR EVEN ASKINGTHEIR OPINION.

>> Jon: IT SHOCKS ME --[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

-- WHEN YOU GO, YOU KNOW, WE'VEGOT DICK CHENEY ON THE LINE.

THESE GUYS DON'T UNDERSTANDWHAT -- ON THE THING -- YOU JUST

WANT SOMEBODY TO SAY YOU'VE BEENWRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING.

I ALWAYS SAY THIS TO PEOPLEIMAGINE GOING TO WORK EVERY DAY

FOR EIGHT YEARS AND BEING WRONGAND TOWARDS THE END OF THAT TIME

SHOOTING AN OLD MAN IN THE FACEAND STILL PEOPLE ASK YOUR

OPINION ABOUT THINGS.

>> PEOPLE ASK YOUR OPINIONSPECIFICALLY ABOUT EXECUTIVE

POWER AND USE OF FORCE AND LYINGTO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

IT'S TOUGH.

I FEEL LIKE THE REASON IRAQLOOMS OVER WHAT WE DO IS IT'S

THE ORIGINAL SIN OF 21ST CENTURYAND UNTIL WE RECKON HONESTLYWITH

WHY WE DID IT, WE'RE GOING --NEVER GOING TO ESCAPE IT AND WE

OWE IT TO OURSELVES TO GET PASTIT.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: I APPRECIATE IT VERYMUCH. I CANNOT WAIT, I SAY

THIS IN ALL SINCERITY.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THEDOCUMENTARIES ABOUT WHY WE WENT

TO WAR WITH RUSSIA AND IRAN. ITHINK THOSE WILL BE GREAT

DOCUMENTARIES AS WELL.

WHY WE DID IT. PREMIERES ONMSNBC MARCH 6, 9:00 P.M.

RACHEL MADDOW.

THANK YOU.

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