Paula Broadwell

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Paula Broadwell discusses her time spent with General David Petraeus in war-torn Afghanistan while researching her book "All In." (7:12)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE).

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK TO THE

SHOW, MY GUEST TONIGHT, A

RESEARCH ASSOCIATE AT HARVARD

UNIVERSITY AND A Ph.D.

CANDIDATE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF

LONDON.

HER BOOK IS CALLED "ALL IN: THE

EDUCATION OF GENERAL DAVID

PETRAEUS."

PLEASE WELLDOM THE PROGRAM PAULA

BROADWELL.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: THANK YOU FOR JOINING

US.

I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU SINCE THE

TRIATHLON WE BOTH DID.

>> YOU DID GREAT.

REALLY PROUD OF YOU.

KEEP AFTER IT.

>> Jon: THE BOOK IS CALLED

"ALL IN."

NOW SO THE LAST TIME I RECALL A

JOURNALIST OR AUTHOR WITH

EMBEDDED... EMBEDDED WITH THE

PERSON AT THIS LEVEL IT WAS

McKRYSTAL AND IT WAS "ROLLING

STONE" AND HE GOT FIRED.

HOW DID THEY LET YOU... HOW DID

PETRAEUS ALLOW THAT?

DID HE KNOW YOU WERE THERE?

WERE YOU, LIKE, HIDING?

DID HE ALLOW THIS?

(LAUGHTER)

>> I WAS AN INSURGENT.

NO.

I HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS

PROJECT AS MY DISSERTATION AND

WHEN HE WENT TO AFGHANISTAN IN

THE SUMMER OF 2010 I DECIDED TO

TURN IT INTO A BOOK AND I SHOT

HIM AN E-MAIL AND SAID "I'M

GOING TO GO FOR IT."

I'M NOT SURE HE TOOK ME

SERIOUSLY BUT I SHOWED UP IN

AFGHANISTAN, SENT HIM AN E-MAIL

AND SAID "I'M HERE I'M DOING

THIS."

AS YOU KNOW MY BACKGROUND IS THE

MILITARY AND I WENT TO THE

MILITARY ACADEMY ALSO SO I HAD A

NATURAL NETWORK TO WORK WITH.

>> Jon: THEY TRUSTED YOU A

LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND LISTEN PEOPLE IN THESE BOOK

VERY RARELY... THEY ALWAYS THINK

"I'LL BE THE ONE TO OUTSMART,

I'LL GET THE ACCESS."

AND IT NEVER... BUT IN THIS... I

MEAN THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL

THING IS I WOULD SAY THE REAL

CONTROVERSY HERE IS IS HE

AWESOME OR INCREDIBLY AWESOME?

IT'S A NICE PORTRAIT.

>> I HAVE A DETAIL TO SHARE WITH

YOU.

HE CAN TURN WATER INTO BOTTLED

WATER.

>> Jon: WHAT?

>> ISN'T THAT YOUR LINE?

>> Jon: WE DID FIND OUT HIS

NICKNAME IS PEACHES.

(LAUGHTER)

>> IT WAS PEACHES WHEN HE WAS

IN... HE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND

IT FOLLOWED HIM TO WEST POINT

AND THAT STUCK A BIT.

>> Jon: WELL I THINK I STUCK

IT IN THERE RIGHT THERE.

PEACHES.

(LAUGHTER)

HE'S TAKEN ON SOME OF THE MOST

DIFFICULT NATION BUILDING

EXERCISES THAT THIS COUNT ARE

HAS EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH AND

YET HE SEEMS TO JUST KEEP AN

INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF ENERGY AND

FOCUS ON IT.

IS THAT YOUR SENSE?

>> HE'S A VERY HIGH ENERGY

PERSON AND I THINK HE DOES GAIN

ENERGY FROM FEELING LIKE HE'S

CONSEQUENTIAL AND MAKING A

DIFFERENCE AND HE LOVES SERVING

AND TO BE IN THE ARENA AND SO IN

SOME SENSE IT WAS AN HONOR FOR

HIM AND IN A GREAT SENSE IT WAS

AN HONOR TO GO BACK TO

AFGHANISTAN AND SERVE AS A FIELD

COMMANDER AGAIN.

>> Jon: DID YOU EVER THINK...

DO YOU PINCH HIM?

IT'S THE KIND OF A... DID YOU

JUST THINK "WHAT'S WRONG WITH

THIS CAT?

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?"

HE WAS SHOT AND, LIKE, THEY

PATCHED HIM UP AND SIX WEEKS

LATER HE WAS BACK OUT.

I MEAN...

>> HE'S HAD A COUPLE, YES.

HE WAS INJURED IN A FREE-FALL

PARACHUTE ACTION AND CRUSHED HIS

PELVIS AND IT WAS BACK IN THE

SWIMMING POOL SWIMMING A MILE A

COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER... COUPLE

WEEKS LATER AND THEN RUNNING

NINE MONTHS LATER.

HE WAS SHOT IN THE CHEST AND HE

WAS DOING PUSHUPS TO GET...

IMPROVE AND GET OUT OF THE

HOSPITAL AND STARTED RUNNING

AGAIN.

HE JUST HAS A TENACIOUS WILL AND

IS RELENTLESS IN WHATEVER HE

DOES AND I THINK GETTING BACK IN

THE...

>> Jon: YOU'RE A RUNNER AND TO

GET TO KNOW HIM, HE WANTED TO

RUN WITH YOU?

SO YOU RAN TOGETHER.

>> THIS IS A TYPICAL MECHANISM

HE USES TO GET TO KNOW YOUNG

PEOPLE.

HE'S DONE IT THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE

SO IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME

TO INTERVIEW HIM ON A RUN AND I

THINK IT WAS... I WAS... I

THOUGHT I'D TEST HIM BUT HE WAS

GOING TO TEST ME AND IT ENDED UP

BEING A TEST FOR BOTH OF US

SINCE WE BOTH RAN QUICKLY.

BUT THAT WAS THE FOUNDATION OF

OUR RELATIONSHIP.

AND WHEN I WAS IN KABUL WE WOULD

DO A LOT OF INTERVIEWS ON RUNS.

FOR HIM I THINK IT WAS A GOOD

DISTRACTION FROM THE WAR AND, OF

COURSE, HE'S A BIT CONCERNED

THAT SOMEONE IN HIS POSITION

WOULD BE ABOUT LEGACY AND HE

ALSO... FROM A MENTORING POINT

OF VIEW HE WANTED TO HELP ME

FROM THE PROJECT.

FOR QUITE A WHILE HE THOUGHT I

WAS ONLY WORKING ON MY

DISSERTATION SO HE WAS HAPPY TO

FACILITATE THAT AS HE DID WITH

MANY OTHER YOUNG STUDENTS.

>> Jon: LET'S GO BACK TO THE

RUNNING THING.

I HAVE FOUND ON RUNS...

(LAUGHTER).

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CONDUCT

INTERVIEWS BECAUSE I'M HAVING

TROUBLE, I GUESS, WITH, LIKE

A... I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL IT A

BURNING SENSATION IN MY CHEST.

(LAUGHTER)

SO I CAN'T BREATHE.

HOW... IS IT... WHAT IS IT...

DOES HE DROP HIS... DO YOU EVER

FEEL LIKE HE DROPS HIS GUARD

WITH YOU?

HOW MUCH OF IT DO YOU THINK WAS

HIM PROTECTING A LEGACY.

LIKE AT A CERTAIN POINT LIKE TEN

MILES IN WAS HE EVER LIKE "I

DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING!

I FAILED EVERYONE THAT EVER

LOVED ME!"

LIKE ANYTHING?

>> NO DIRTY SECRETS.

HE WOULD JUST PICK UP THE PACE

SO NEITHER OF US COULD TALK.

>> Jon: PEACHES.

HOW DOES HE GET ALONG WITH... DO

THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CHAIN OF

COMMAND RESENT HIS SUCCESS?

HIS REPUTATION?

IS THAT A DIFFICULT THING?

I KNOW IT'S A POLITICAL WORLD.

>> SURE, HE REALIZES THAT HE'S

SEEN A BIT AS AN AMBITIOUS

INDIVIDUAL.

YOU WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S

AMBITIOUS AND DRIVEN AND HAS A

WILL TO WIN.

I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHO YOU

WANT AND THE TYPE OF LEADERSHIP

JOHNS HE'S BEEN IN AND I THINK

IT'S PUT SOME OF HIS PEERS AT

ODDS WITH HIM BUT IN THE SAME

SENSE IT'S COMMANDED GREAT

RESPECT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SENIOR

MILITARY LEADER OR ANYONE WHO'S

WORKED CLOSELY WITH HIM THAT

WOULDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE HE GOES ALL

INTO WHAT HE DOES TO HELP THE

ORGANIZATION SUCCEED.

>> Jon: THIS STRIKES ME AS ONE

OF THOSE STORIES.

IF THIS WERE... IT'S HARD NOT TO

IMAGINE HIM RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT.

IT'S HARD NOT TO IMAGINE SOMEONE

IN THIS POSITION RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS THE... SEE,

YOU'RE SMILING AS THOUGH THAT

CAME UP AT LIKE MILE 15.

(LAUGHTER)

LIKE AT WHAT... IS HE RUNNING

FOR PRESIDENT AT SOME LEVEL?

SOME... IS HE THAT... HE'S A

LONG-TERM STRATEGIC THINKER.

>> NO, HE'S NOT.

MY HUSBAND WANT MISS TOE SAY HE

IS BECAUSE IT WILL SELL MORE

BOOKS.

(LAUGHTER)

SORRY, HONEY, I COULDN'T DO IT.

(LAUGHS)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: THAT WAS THE MOST

AWESOME SELLOUT I HAVE EVER SEEN

IN MY LIFE!

THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE LIKE I WAS

JUST ABOUT TO DO IT... "HONEY, I

CAN'T!

I JUST CAN'T DO IT!"

SO INTEGRITY'S RUNNING IN THE

WHOLE FAMILY, I GUESS.

SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO

DO.

WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMERCIAL

BREAK.

THERE'S A GREAT JUICY ANECDOTE

IN THERE ABOUT HIS PLANS FOR THE

PRESIDENCY.

(LAUGHTER)

I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT.

"ALL IN" IS ON THE BOOKSHELVES.

WHEN WE COME BACK WE HAVE A

THING WE'RE GOING TO DO TO RAISE

SOME MONEY FOR SOME WOUNDED

WARRIORS AND IT'S A PHYSICAL

CHALLENGE SO MY GUESS IS...

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

MY GUESS IS I'M GOING TO END UP

OWING MORE MONEY THAN PAULA IS.

(LAUGHTER)

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING

ON THE PROGRAM.

THE BOOK IS "ALL IN."

PAULA BROADWELL.

(CHEERS AND

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