Actual Democalypse 2012 - Conservatives Rethink Middle Eastern Democracy

  • Aired:  09/17/12
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Amid escalating Middle Eastern violence, conservative pundits question their own recent positions promoting democracy in places without any values for civilized society. (5:17)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

AS WE'VE SEEN SEEING, A LOT OF UNREST AND ANGER IN THE MIDDLE EAST THIS PAST WEEK.

THE CONDEMNATION OF OBAMA HAS BEEN SWIFT AND FURIOUS

>> THIS LEADING FROM BEHIND OBAMA DOCTRINE IS UP IN FLAMES

>> TERRORISTS BELIEVE THEY CAN ATTACK OUR EMBASSY WITH IMPUNITY, THEY BELIEVE KILL OUR AMBASSADOR AND THERE WILL BE NO

RESPONSE

>> HOW MUCH LONGER CAN WE AFFORD TO SPILL OUR BLOOD AND TREASURE TRYING TO, QUOTE UNQUOTE, PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN PLACES THAT

DO NOT HAVE ANY VALUES FOR CIVILIZED SOCIETY.

>> Jon: YES.

DEMOCRACY PROMOTION IS WRONG.

THAT'S A SOMEWHAT ISOLATIONIST POSITION, EX-GOVERNOR PALIN.

DOES ANYONE SEE OUR ROLE IN THE WORLD DIFFERENTLY?

YES, YOU 2008 STILL GOVERNOR PALIN

>> I SEE OUR ROLE IN THE WORLD AS ONE OF BEING A FORCE FOR GOOD, TO HELP THESE RISING SMALLER DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES

THAT ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PUTTING THEMSELVES ON THE MAP RIGHT NOW

>> Jon: WHAT A BOLD FREEDOM AGENDA.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT NAIVE.

I MEAN, THINK OF THE BLOW-BACK

>> EGYPTIANS ELECTED A MUSLIM BROTHEREDHOOD MEMBER TO HEAD THEIR COUNTRY.

LET'S NOT FORGET.

THIS IS VERY FIRST PLACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA PROMISED TO BRING, QUOTE DEMOCRACY TOO

>> Jon: YOU BELIEVE THROUGH THE PRISM OF HISTORY PEOPLE WILL LOOK BACK AT OBAMA AND THIS SHIFT OF FREEDOM, EFFORTY AND

DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND HE'LL BE VIEWED AS MYOPIC

>> THROUGH THE PRISM OF HISTORY WE'LL LOOK BACK AT GEORGE W.

BUSH AND SEE THIS SHIFT TOWARD FREEDOM, LIBERTY AND DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD AND HE WILL BE

VIEWED AS A GREAT VISIONARY

>> Jon: FULL THROATED DEFENSE OF THE VALUE OF DEMOCRACY

>> THE MEADE CORA AND OUR GOVERNMENT, DEMOCRACY.

THIS IS A GOOD THING.

AND I'M SITTING HERE SAYING, ALL RIGHT.

WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE OVER?

IT WAS OBVIOUSLY THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD WAS THE ONLY GROUP THAT HAD ANY POLITICAL CLOUT.

>> Jon: YOUNG NOT AS FAT YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS YOU CAN'T JUST LET PEOPLE DEPOTS THEIR OWN DICTATORS IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY.

>> WE HAVE AT LEAST SOME HOPE FOR PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND DEMOCRACY.

CERTAINLY BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE.

>> Jon: I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.

I LOVE IT WHEN THAT CONSERVATIVE PATRIOT GUY PULLS ON THAT NAIVE LEFTIST DEUTCH BAG.

WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT SHOW IN HANNITY AND TAKES THE OPPOSITE POSITION THE YOUNGER HANNITY.

IT'S A GREAT SHOW.

THAT'S GREAT TELEVISION.

NOW LISTEN TO ME, WE COULD GO ALL NIGHT.

WE COULD GO ALL NIGHT BRINGING UP EXAMPLES OF PUNDITS ON THE RIGHT WHO COULDN'T DO ENOUGH TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE

EAST AS LONG AS IT WAS DONE AT THE END OF GEORGE BUSH'S JAUNT.

AS MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES CHOOSE LEADERS FOR THEMSELVES LORDY LORDY, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

WHY DON'T WE TALK THROUGH AN ACTUAL MIDDLE EAST POLICY

>> AMERICANS TODAY ARE SEEING A MESS ON THEIR TELEVISION SCREENS.

THERE'S UNLEAVING THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST.

>> GOT A REAL MESS ON OUR HANDS.

IN PART BECAUSE OF THE POLICIES OF PRESIDENT OBAMA OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IN THE REGION

>> Jon: THAT'S FOREIGN POLICY ADVISOR TO MITT ROMNEY AND MR. RYAN DAN SENOR, DECRYING THE MIDDLE EAST MESSINESS.

WHY DON'T YOU REBUT HIM, CHIEF SPOKESMAN FOR THE COALITION PROVISIONAL AUTHORITY IN IRAQ, A MORE JUNIOR DAN SENOR

>> DEMOCRACY WE OFTEN SAID WHEN WE WERE THERE THAT DEMOCRACY IS MESSY.

IF YOU WANT CLEAN AND TIDY THERE'S DICTATORSHIP BUT RIGHT NOW THESE IRAQIS POLITICAL LEADERS ARE IMMERSED IN THEIR

FIRST SORT OF DEMOCRATIC EXPERIMENT

>> Jon: I GET YOU, MAN.

IT WAS THE EARLY TO MID, MAN.

EVERYBODY WAS EXPERIMENTING WITH DEMOCRACY THEN.

WHAT'S UP?

YOU KNOW WHAT [BLEEP] I'M OUT OF HERE.

JUST GO AT IT, YOU TWO.

>> JUST A REMINDER OF THE CHAOS THAT A LOT OF THE POLICIES OF THIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE SOWED.

CHAOS IN THE ARAB SPRING.

CHAOS FOR ALLIES IN ISRAEL.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY AREAS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC.

WE ARE HAVING SOME TOUGH DAYS.

WE'LL HAVE TOUGH DAYS AHEAD.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST THREE DAYS IS A PRODUCT OF POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILDING OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.

IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN BUILDING SOME MODICUM DEMOCRACY, IT WILL BE AN ENORMOUS SUCCESS.

YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT'S POLICY IN THE MIDDLE EAST HAS BEEN A SUCCESS.

LOOKS LIKE A DISASTER TO MOST AMERICANS.

THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANCE VIOLENCE IN RECENT WEEKS.

CERTAINLY TODAY'S TRAGIC DEATH OF OVER 30 PEOPLE BUT IT ALSO CORRELATES WITH PROGRESS ON THE POLITICAL TRACK.

DISASTER.

PROGRESS.

CHAOS.

DISASTER.

PROGRESS.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WOW.

ONE MAN'S CHAOS IS ANOTHER MAN'S PROGRESS.

HERE'S THE THING THAT I REALLY FIND THE MOST TROUBLING.

HOW CAN ONE MAN'S OPINION SHIFT SO DRASTICALLY AND YET HIS HAIRLINE STAYS EXACTLY THE SAME?

I CAN'T TELL IF THESE GUYS ARE

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