Annie Jacobsen

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Annie Jacobsen talks about Stalin's secret spacecraft and the U.S. government's denial of Area 51. (6:45)

MY GUEST TONIGHT, CON TRIB

UTILITYING EDITOR AT THE LOS

ANGELES TIMES MAGAZINE AND AN

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER.

HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED AN

UNDEMOCRATIC NATIONAL

CENSORED HISTORY OF AMERICA'S

TOP SECRETS.

PLEASE WELCOME ANNIE JACOBSEN.

HELLO.

[APPLAUSE]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING

HERE.

THIS IS REALLY A GREAT BOOK.

AREA 51.

SO THIS IS AREA 51 IS A MILITARY

BASE.

>> YES, IT IS.

IT'S A MILITARY BASE IN SOUTHERN

NEVER NEVER, 75 MILES FROM

VEGAS.

>> Jon: 75 MILES FROM VEGAS.

>> WE SET OFF 100 NUCLEAR BOMBS

THERE DURING THE COLD WAR IN THE

AIR.

>> Jon: ABOVE VEGAS.

>> A LITTLE NORTH OF VEGAS.

>> Jon: IS THAT HOW VEGAS

BEGAN?

BECAUSE AT AROUND THE SAME TIME

THIS NUCLEAR RADIATION IS

SPILLING OUT OVER THE DESERT,

BUGSY SIEGEL HAD AN IDEA.

>> YES, MAYBE THAT'S WHY VEGAS

IS THE WAY IT IS.

>> Jon: WHAT HAPPENS IN VEGAS

STAYS IN VEGAS, ESPECIALLY THE

RADIATION.

[LAUGHTER]

>> AND WHAT HAPPENS AT AREA 51

HAS STAYED AT AREA 51 UNTIL MY

BOOK.

>> Jon: BUT HOW DID YOU KNOW

WHAT HAPPENED AT AREA 51?

>> WELL, I INTERVIEWED 74 MEN

WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO THE BASE,

32 OF WHOM LIVED AND WORKED

THERE FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF

TIME.

SO I GOT THE KIND OF SCOOP OF

WHAT REALLY WAS GOING ON THERE

STARTING IN '51.

>> Jon: HERE'S THE CRAZIEST

PART ABOUT YOUR BOOK.

YOU DO ALL THIS RESEARCH.

YOU DEBUNK THE IDEA THAT IT'S

ALIENS.

>> BASED ON A SOURCE, YES.

>> Jon: BASED ON A SOURCE.

BUT WHAT IS IN THE BOOK IS

ACTUALLY ALMOST MORE DISTURBING

THAN THE IDEA THAT THERE WAS AN

ALIEN VISITATION IN ROSWELL.

PRESIDENT CLINTON HAD TO

PETITION THEM TO INFORM HIM WHEN

HE WAS PRESIDENT WHAT HAPPENS

THERE.

>> YES, PRESIDENT CLINTON

INVESTIGATED THE CRIMES OF THE

ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION, WHO IS

IN CHARGE OF PART OF THE BASE

OUT THERE, AND THEY DENIED SOME

INFORMATION TO HIM BASED ON THE

IDEA THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A NEED

TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

THE WHOLE BASE WORKS ON A NEED

TO KNOW, SO YOU ONLY GET TO KNOW

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW.

AND THEY FELT THE PRESIDENT

DIDN'T NEED TO KNOW SOME THINGS,

AND I WRITE ABOUT THAT...

>> Jon: WHO DECIDES THAT THE

PRESIDENT DOESN'T NEED TO KNOW?

THAT'S I GUESS MY POINT.

THERE IS A GUY, OH, THE

PRESIDENT, THAT'S OKAY, HE

DOESN'T NEED TO KNOW?

>> WELL, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I

START THE BOOK OUT BY EXPLAINING

TO YOU THAT THE ATOMIC ENERGY

COMMISSION, NOW CALLED THE

D.O.'EM, THE DEPARTMENT OF

ENERGY, THEY HAVE A SEPARATE

SYSTEM OF SECRET KEEPING FROM

THE PRESIDENT'S SYSTEM.

THIS IS A FACT.

IT'S NOT KNOWN BY A LOT OF

PEOPLE, BUT IT'S HOW I BEGIN THE

BOOK BECAUSE IT PLAYS TO THE

WHOLE NARRATIVE ABOUT WHAT IS

GOING ON OUT THERE AND WHY IT IS

THE WAY IT IS.

NOW, THE ATOMIC ENERGY

COMMISSION ISN'T THE ONLY

ORGANIZATION OUT THERE.

YOU HAVE THE PENTAGON, THE

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, THE

C.I.A.

>> Jon: THE ILLUMINATI, THE

MASONS.

BUT THE FAMOUS STORY OF THE

ALIENS THAT LAND IN ROSWELL AND

GET TAKE ON THE AREA 51, THE

STORY YOU COME UP WITH IN THE

BOOK BASED ON AN EYEWITNESS THAT

YOU TRUST IMPLICITLY IS FAR

CRAZIER ALMOST THAN ALIENS.

TELL US THAT STORY.

>> IT IS.

WELL, I'LL PREFACE IT BY SAYING

THIS, I GOT A MESSAGE FROM A

CONSPIRACY THEORIST GROUP IN THE

U.K., AND THAT WERE VERY UPSET

WITH ME AND SAID, EVEN WE DON'T

BELIEVE YOU.

>> Jon: WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU

AND WE'RE NUTS.

[LAUGHTER]

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Jon: YOU BELIEVE THAT

STALIN SENT A SPACECRAFT TO US

IN THE '50s BECAUSE THEY

DIDN'T HAVE A NUCLEAR BOMB YET.

THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD DO AN

ORSON WELLS-TYPE SCARE.

WHO WAS ON THE SPACECRAFT?

>> WELL, THERE WERE SOME

CHILD-SIZED AVIATORS.

THAT'S WHAT IS MOST DISTURBING

ABOUT MY BOOK.

I HOPE YOU START AT PAGE ONE.

>> Jon: YOU REALLY SHOULD

BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO START

WITH THE DISTURBING PARTS, LIKE

SOMEONE I KNOW DID.

>> BUT IT WAS IN 1947 THAT

STALIN SENT THIS CRAFT.

AND IT REALLY DID LAND IN NEW

MEXICO ACCORDING TO MY SOURCE

WHO RECEIVED THE EQUIPMENT AT

AREA 51.

>> Jon: AND THE TWO BROTHERS

THAT FOUND THIS CRAFT...

>> THE TWO BROTHERS WHO DESIGNED

IT WERE FORMER GERMAN

AEROSPACE... THEY USED TO WORK

FOR HITLER, AS A LOT OF OUR

SCIENTISTS DID.

>> Jon: SURE.

WE ALL WORKED FOR HITLER AT SOME

POINT.

>> THEY CERTAINLY DID.

BUT THE HORTON BROTHERS CREATED

THIS FLYING DISK ORIGINALLY FOR

THE THIRD REICH, AND THEN STALIN

STEPPED IN AND TOOK AWAY A LOT

OF THEIR SCIENTISTS AND THE

UNITED STATES' GOVERNMENT TOOK A

LOT OF THE THIRD REICH

SCIENTISTS FOR US.

AND SO WHAT WENT ON, A LOT OF

WHAT WENT ON AT AREA 51 WAS THIS

INTENSE SCIENTIFIC PUSHING

SCIENCE TO THE GREAT EXTREME.

THAT'S WHAT I WRITE ABOUT.

>> Jon: ARE THEY STILL DOING,

THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THE FILES

DID THEY OPEN UP TO YOU?

>> WELL, NONE OF THE FILES ABOUT

THE STALIN DISK ARE OPENED UP AT

ALL.

THAT INFORMATION CAME ONLY FROM

AN ANONYMOUS... THE ONLY SOURCE

I KEEP ANONYMOUS IN MY BOOK

IS...

>> Jon: THEY DON'T ADMIT THAT

AREA 51 EXISTS.

OUR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ADMIT

THERE'S AN AREA 51.

PUT UP THE PICTURE OF AREA 51.

THAT'S HOW BIG THE DAMN THING

IS, AND THEY SAY IT DOESN'T

EXIST.

>> ANYONE... IF YOU CALL UP THE

AIR FORCE, YOU CAN GET THEM ON

THE PHONE AND ASK THEM, AND

THEY'LL TELL YOU NO COMMENT OR

THEY WON'T SAY IT EXISTS.

JON JANUARY LET ME JUST VERY

QUICKLY URGE MY AUDIENCE TONIGHT

NOT TO DRUNK DIAL THE AIR FORCE

PLEASE.

[LAUGHTER]

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT JUST

UNLEASHED ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES

RIGHT NOW.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE BOMBING

RAIDS AT FRATERNITY HOUSES.

NUKE V.C.U.

DO YOU THINK WE WILL EVER QUITE

UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF OUR

MILITARY RESEARCH THAT HAS

OCCURRED AT AREA 51?

>> WELL, I WRITE ABOUT PROGRAMS

THAT WENT ON IN THE '50s AND

THE '60 HAS THE HAVE BEEN

DECLASSIFIED, BUT THE NAME "AREA

51" IS ALWAYS BLACKED OUT OF THE

DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.

SO WHO KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON

THERE '70s, '80s, '90s.

THE DRONES THAT WE FIGHT THE WAR

ON TERROR WITH ARE BEING

DEVELOPED THERE, WERE DEVELOPED

THERE AND ARE BEING DEVELOPED IN

THE FUTURE.

>> Jon: WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF

THEY JUST GAVE UP ON THAT

[BLEEPED] AND NOW THEY'RE LIKE,

I WANT TO MAKE A BANANA THAT YOU

CAN EAT THE SKIN.

I MEAN, IT'S ALL JUST...

[LAUGHTER]

READ IT FROM PAGE ONE.

IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND.

AREA 51 IS ON THE BOOKSHELVES

NOW.

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