Bob Costas

  • Aired:  01/28/13
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Bob Costas argues America can change its permissive gun culture without undoing its laws and Constitutional rights. (6:46)

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT EMMY-WINNING SPORTSCASTER FOR NBC, PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM BOB COSTAS.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> HOW ARE YOU DOING Jon: ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE A GUEST ON THAT I CAN SWAP JACKETS WITH.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK SPORTS.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT I LIKE BETTER THAN TALKING SPORTS BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THE SPORTS I

HAVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOU FOUND YOURSELF AT THE CENTER OF A PLIT CONVERSATION WHEN AT HALF

TIME DURING A FOOTBALL GAME TRAGEDY IN KANSAS CITY.

>> RIGHT Jon: WITH THE FOOTBALL PLAYER WHO KILLED HIMSELF AND THEN HIS GIRLFRIEND.

YOU SPOKE OF A GUN CULTURE

>> RIGHT Jon: AND...

QUOTED JASON WHITT LOCK A COLUMNIST FROM KANSAS CITY AND NOW WRITES FOR THE FOX SPORTS

WEBSITE WHO NEVER MENTIONED THE SECOND AMENDMENT OR GUN CONTROL BUT TALKED ABOUT A GUN CULTURE

WHICH I DO BELIEVE EXISTS.

IT'S AN ATTITUDE TOWARD GUNS.

OBVIOUSLY I THINK ANY SANE PERSON BELIEVES THAT WE OUGHT NOT TO HAVE HIGH CAPACITY

MAGAZINES AND ASSAULT RIFLES AND THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE BACKGROUND CHECKS.

YOU SHOULD BE IN A COUNTRY WHERE 40% OF THE GUN PURCHASES ARE DONE WITHOUT A BACKGROUND CHECK,

WHERE IT'S SO EASY TO CIRCUMVENT THE EXISTING LAWS.

WE CAN TIGHTEN ALL THAT STUFF UP WITHOUT REPEALING THE SECOND AMENDMENT

>> Jon: HOW DO YOU DEFINE IT VERY QUICKLY?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT?

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT SANE IS, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF WHAT I HEARD IN THE AFTER MATH IS

INSANE

>> Jon: WHAT DID IT FEEL LIKE TO BE IN THE EPICENTER OF I GUESS YOU BECAME THE POLARIZING MAGNET

IN THE GUN CONTROL ARGUMENT EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS NOT THE ARGUMENT YOU WERE MAKING

>> FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THEN NEWTOWN HAPPENED.

IT SEEMED THAT THAT CHANGED THE TONE.

ALTHOUGH, AS HORRIBLY TRAGIC AS THAT WAS, IF IT DID REDIRECT THE DEBATE AND PEOPLE ARE NOW AT

LEAST SOMEWHAT MORE WILLING TO THINK ABOUT THIS MORE RATIONALLY AND COMPASSIONATELY, THEN THAT'S

A GOOD THING.

BUT EVEN IF EVERY POSSIBLE COMMON SENSE BIT OF LEGISLATION WAS PASSED AND EVEN IF EVERY GUN

WERE LEGALLY OBTAINED, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH A GUN CULTURE.

IT'S AN ATTITUDE TOWARD GUNS.

WHEN BELCHER TEXTED HIS FRIEND WHO SAYS YOU BETTER HAVE A GUN READY BECAUSE HIS GIRLFRIEND WAS

FOOLING AROUND ON HIM.

HE TELLS HIS FRIEND DON'T WORRY I HAVE EIGHT.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

WHEN TONY DUNGEE ASKS HIS SQUAD WHEN HE COACHED THE COLTS IN TRAINING CAMP WHEN THERE WERE

75, 80 GUYS HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE A GUN AND 75% OF THEM RAISED THEIR HAND, WHAT DO YOU THINK

THE CHANCES ARE OUT OF EVERY 100 INSTANCE TENTS THAT THESE ARE BEING USED FOR SPORTING PURPOSES

OR LEGITIMATELY FOR SELF-DEFENSE AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING TRAGIC EVEN IF IT'S UNINTENTIONALLY

TRAGIC HAPPENING?

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT OR WHAT WHITT LOCK WAS TALKING ABOUT.

A GUN CULTURE.

>> Jon: THEY WOULD JUMP IN AND SAY HOW DO WE CHANGE THE CULTURE THEN?

IS IT THAT GUNS LOOK COOL?

IS IT THAT... IS IT REAL SELF-PROTECTION AND REAL SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS OR IS IT THE

IDEA THAT I'VE SEEN ENOUGH MOVIES TO KNOW IF I GO IN SOME PLACE AND DO THIS, YOU KNOW

>> YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK THERE'S A COMMERCIAL FOR A MOVIE

CALLED BULLET TO THE HEAD.

WE'RE STILL IN A CULTURE...

>> Jon: THAT'S A WORKING TITLE?

ONCE YOU'VE THROWN YOUR MAMA FROM THE TRAIN, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

>> BUT THERE ARE MANY ASPECTS TO THIS.

MANY ASPECTS TO THIS.

WHEN IT COMES TO FOOTBALL, YOU KNOW, THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION TO

ASK: CAN YOU EXPECT HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF FOOTBALL PLAYERS TO DO SOMETHING WHICH BY

ITS VERY NATURE IS BRUTAL, BELLIGERENT AND VIOLENT, ISN'T IT REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT

SOME OF THEM WON'T BE ABLE TO CONTAIN THAT TO THE FIELD?

ISN'T IT REASONABLY TO INVESTIGATE WHAT HEAD TRAUMA MIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH IT NOT

JUST THE EFFECTS OF IT DOWN THE LINE BUT IN TERM OF MOOD AND IMPULSE CONTROL AND AGGRESSION?

I WAS AWARE OF ALL THOSE THINGS WHEN I MADE THOSE COMMENTS AND I TALKED ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS

BEFORE AT HALF TIME OF THESE GAMES AND IN QUESTIONING ROGER GOODELL AND OTHER NFL OFFICIALS.

I JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT TO HIT EVERY ASPECT OF A COMPLEX PROBLEM.

>> Jon: IT WAS HALF TIME.

AND I HAD 90 SECONDS.

BUT AS I WAS SAYING TO YOU EARLIER, LOOK, WE'VE CHANGED THE CULTURE ON A LOT OF THINGS

WITHOUT CHANGING THE LAW.

>> Jon: OR WITHOUT CHANGING PEOPLE'S RIGHTS, WITHOUT INFRINGING ON THEIR RIGHTS

>> EXACTLY.

NO ONE REPEALED THE FIRST AMENDMENT BUT WE CHANGED PEOPLE'S ATTITUDES TOWARDS RACIST OR HOMOPHOBIC REMARKS.

CIGARETTES REMAIN A LEGAL PRODUCT BUT ATTITUDES TOWARD THEM AND UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR

DANGERS HAVE TAKEN HOLD.

SO THE CULTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THERE IS A GUN CULTURE, AND IT ISN'T GOOD

>> Jon: TRYING TO MAYBE REDIRECT THE GUN CULTURE FROM BEING EITHER A LITMUS TEST FOR

TOUGHNESS OR FREEDOM.

MAYBE GETTING BACK TO ITS UTILITY STILL WHILE RESPECTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT

>> AND WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT GUNS ARE GLORIFIED IN HIP HOP CULTURE, SOME 70% OF THE

PLAYERS IN THE NFL ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE INFLUENCED BY THAT PART

OF THE CULTURE BUT SOME OF THEM ARE.

GUNS ARE GLORIFIED.

MANY OF THESE KIDS COME OUT OF ENVIRONMENTS WHERE IT'S COMMONPLACE FOR A 14- OR

15-YEAR-OLD KID TO BE PACKING

>> Jon: IT'S ALSO VERY DIFFERENT.

CITIES ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTRY.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS.

IN THE CITY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU, THOSE GUYS AREN'T GOING TO TELL YOU ASSAULT

WEAPONS ARE A PROBLEM.

HANDGUNS ARE A PROBLEM.

BUT IT'S ABOUT POLICE ENFORCEMENT NOT ABOUT PEOPLE'S RIGHTS.

IT'S ABOUT GETTING THEM INTO LEGAL HANDS AS OPPOSED TO ILLEGAL.

>> YEAH.

HOW DO THEY OBTAIN THEM AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

I DON'T THINK YOU COULD FIND VERY MANY PEOPLE WHO WOULD SAY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR

SOMEONE IF THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT TO HAVE A GUN IN THEIR HOME TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND

THEIR FAMILY IN THE CASE OF SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, INVADING THEIR HOUSE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AND SOME OF THEM ARE

PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES WHOSE IDEA IS TO LEAVE THE HOUSE, GOT MY WALLET, GOT MY WATCH, GOT MY GLOCK.

>> Jon: AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT WITH FORMED JEANS.

HE DID IT IN SWEAT PANTS.

WHO DOES A GLOCK AND ELASTIC PANTS?

I MEAN IT'S JUST A GRAVITY ISSUE.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK.

NOW WE'LL GET TO THE SPORTS.

WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT SPORTS.

BOB COSTAS.

WE'LL BE RIGHT

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