Exclusive - Nancy Pelosi Extended Interview Pt. 3

  • Aired:  01/30/14
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In this exclusive, unedited interview, California Representative Nancy Pelosi addresses corruption in government and the power of money in Washington. (8:47)

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY

POINT IS THIS: WHEN I TALKABOUT HOW THOSE RULES GET

EXPANDED.

A LOT OF THAT EXPANSION ISPURPOSEFUL FROM THE MUCH LARGER

CORPORATIONS THAT AFFORD THELEGAL COUNSEL AND LOBBYISTS THAT

ALLOW IT TO CARVE OUTEXCEPTIONS TO CONTINUE TO WHAT

THEY DO.

WE USED TO HAVE A LAW THAT WASGLASS-STEAGAL. IT WAS SIMPLE. ITWAS UNCORRUPTABLE.

NOW WE HAVE A THING 900 PAGESLONG AND THAT'S MY POINT.

WHEN YOU SAY IT'S THE PROCESSIT'S SOMEWHAT CORRUPTED.

>> I WANT TO GIVE PRESIDENTOBAMA CREDIT.

WE PASSED THE LAW.

THEY HAVE TO WRITE THEREGULATIONS.

THAT'S HOW PEOPLE OBEY THE LAWACCORDING TO THE REGULATION AND

THEY HUNG TOUGH AGAINST THEEXCEPTIONS THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO

HAVE THERE.

WHILE I THINK THAT PRESIDENTLINCOLN SAID "PUBLIC SENTIMENT

IS EVERYTHING."

IF I HAD ONE CONCERN ABOUT HOWTHINGS HAVE GONE IS WE, THE

DEMOCRATS, HAVE NOT BEEN STRONGENOUGH AND I INCLUDE THE

EXECUTIVE AS WELL AS THELEGISLATIVE BRANCH IN THAT IN

MAKING THE DISTINCTION.

CLEARLY YOU PUT EVERYBODYTOGETHER.

>> Jon: I DON'T PUT THEMTOGETHER EQUALLY BUT WHAT I

SUGGEST IS TO SUGGEST THAT ONEPARTY HAS A PROBLEM WITH MONIED

INTEREST AND THE OTHER PARTYDOESN'T IS A SOMEWHAT UNFAIR

CHARACTERIZATION.

>> MAYBE IT'S A SOURCE OFHOPE TO SOME OF YOU THAT WHERE

WE ARE ON RAISING THE MINIMUMWAGE, UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS,

PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT,THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE

AGAINST ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THISBECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE THE

REPUBLICAN MAJORITY.

>> Jon: I UNDERSTAND THOSETHINGS I'M AS FRUSTRATED WITH

THAT AS POSSIBLE.

THAT BEING SAID, THEDEMOCRATS

DO THEMSELVES NO FAVORS -->> BY?

>> Jon: WHEN THE PROGRAMS THEYIMPLEMENT ARE NOT EFFICIENT AND

AGILE AND WHEN THEY SUGGEST THEYTHEMSELVES ARE NOT CORRUPTED BY

THE SAME MONEY THAT WE KNOWFLOWS THROUGH THE HALLS.

GREEN KNOWS NO PARTY.

IT'S BLUE AND RED BUT GREEN ISTHE THING.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> SINCE YOU USE THE COLOR

GREEN, LET ME JUST SAY, WE ARETHE PARTY OF GREEN IN TERMSPROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT.

THE AIR WE BREATHE, THE WATER WEDRINK.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> I DON'T KNOW HOW PERSUADABLE

YOU ARE BUT I HOPE YOUUNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN DEMOCRATS ANDREPUBLICANS.

>> Jon: YOU ARE MISSING THEDISTINCTION AND I THINK

YOU ARE PAINTING MY CRITICISMSWITH A BROAD BRUSH BY SUGGESTING

THAT THIS PARTICULAR CRITICISMIS SOMEHOW SAYING DEMOCRATS ARE

NO DIFFERENT THAN REPUBLICANS.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

>> WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

>> Jon: I'M SAYING THATDEMOCRATS BELIEVE IN

REGULATION, STRONG AND EFFECTIVEREGULATION, EFFICIENT

REGULATION, A ROLL FORGOVERNMENT.

IF THAT'S WHAT THEY BELIEVE,WHEN THEY CREATE THOSE LAWS THAT

IN SOME WAYS ARE ANAMPLIFICATION OF WHAT THEYBELIEVE

THEY SHOULD DO IT MORE ANDTHERE'S ALSO WITHIN THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY A PROBLEM WITHLOBBYISTS AND CORRUPTION

AND A REVOLVING DOOR TOCORPORATIONS BACK AND FORTH AND

TO SUGGEST THAT IT ISN'T IS TONOT LIVE IN REALITY.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> WHEN YOU SAY DEMOCRATS

BELIEVE IN REGULATION WEBELIEVE IN CLEAN AIR, CLEAN

WATER, FOOD SAFETY, PUBLICEDUCATION, PUBLIC

TRANSPORTATION.

>> Jon: GREAT.

BUT YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATECOMPETENCE.

>> NO, I AGREE.

>> Jon: I DON'T THINK WE'REDISAGREEING.

>> WHEN WE PUT OUR POLITICALCAPITAL ON THE LINE TO PASS

THESE THINGS WHICH SOMETIMESLOOK LIKE MORE GOVERNMENT THAN

SOME PEOPLE WANT, WE MORE THANANYBODY WANT THESE TO WORK.

>> Jon: SURE.

>> WE DON'T WANT TO JUST PASSTHEM TO PASS THEM.

THEY MUST WORK BECAUSE THEY ARETHERE TO HELP PEOPLE.

>> Jon: WE'RE AGREEING.

>> I SAID YOU ARE RIGHT WE WANTTHEM TO HELP PEOPLE.

BUT THE FACT THAT SOMEBUREAUCRATS ARE RISK AVERSE AND

THEY DON'T MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WELIKE IS DIFFERENT THAN SAYING

THEY'VE BEEN CORRUPTED BY MONEY.

>> Jon: NO QUESTION.

IF I GAVE YOU THE IMPRESSIONTHE SLOWNESS AND LETHARGY ANDIDIOCY WAS THE

SAME AS CORRUPTION. DON'T PAINTEVERYBODY WITH THAT.

>> Jon: I WAS PAINTING THELETHARGIES WITH IT.

I'LL GIVE YOU THE NAMES.

>> NO.

OUR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ARE VERYPATRIOTIC AMERICANS AND THEY DO

A GREAT JOB.

>> Jon: WHOA.

>> THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

I'M SAYING IN THE BUREAUCRACYTHERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE RISKAVERSE.

>> Jon: YOU HEARD THAT AND YOUTHOUGHT I WAS SAYING OUR PUBLIC

EMPLOYEES ARE NOT PATRIOTIC.THAT'S WHAT YOU HEARD?

>> NO, I HEARD YOU SAYING.

>> Jon: THAT CONGRESS HAS APROBLEM WITH MONEY AND CORPORATE

INTEREST.

>> WE WANT TO PUT THIS FORTH TOREMOVE ALL DOUBT.

>> Jon: SO I PERSUADED YOU.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> IT'S BECAUSE OF YOU THAT WE

ISSUED THE DARE, THE DISCLOSE,AMEND, REFORM.

>> Jon: I'M GOING TO SPEND ALLWEEKEND WORKING ON ACRONYMS YOU

ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.

ARE YOU HOPEFUL THIS CAN BEIMPROVED.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

NO, NO, NO IT HAS TO BEIMPROVED.

>> Jon: YES.

>> THE WAY IT WILL BE IMPROVEDIS BY THE PUBLIC WEIGHING.

IN THAT'S WHY WE'RE HOPEFUL.

AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION IS ABIG DEAL BUT MOBILIZING ACROSS

THE COUNTRY AROUND AN AMENDMENTTO OVERTURN CITIZENS UNITED.

YOU APPLAUD IT WHEN I SAID AMENDTHE CONSTITUTION OVERTURN

CITIZENS UNITED.

>> Jon: SURE.

I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC'SDISCONTENT IS AN EARNED ONE.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

>> Jon: I DON'T THINK IT'S INANY WAY BASED ON A CYNICISM

BASED ON A BROAD BRUSH.

I THINK IT'S EARNED AND THEGOVERNMENT HAS IN MANY WAYS

WORKED HARD FOR IT.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> LET ME JUST SAY THIS: THAT

WHILE -- AGAIN NOT -- WE HAD ATIME WHEN WE WORKED TOGETHER

DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICANS ANDTHAT HOPEFULLY WE WILL RETURN TO

THAT.

I WISH WE COULD HAVE MUCH MOREBIPARTISAN SHIP.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THERE'S NO QUESTION.

I NEVER COULD UNDERSTAND AND ISHOULD WHY THE PUBLIC PAINTS US

WITH THE SAME BRUSH AS THEREPUBLICANS WHEN IT COMES TO

SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY INWASHINGTON, D.C.

SEEING IT SITTING THEREFIRSTHAND EVERY DAY SEEING HOW

SPECIAL INTEREST.

>> Jon: I THINK -- OKAY.

>> THE BUDGET.

WE WANT TO CLOSE THE SPECIALINTEREST LOOPHOLES THEY DO NOT.

I SAY WE COULD GET $38 BILLIONBY STOPPING THE SUBSIDY TO BIG

OIL AT A TIME WHEN THEY MAKE $1TRILLION.

THEY SAY WHY WOULD YOU SAVE $38BILLION THAT WAY.

>> Jon: THERE ARE FARM SUBSIDIESAND THINGS.

OKAY.

>> YOU CAN SAVE THE SAME AMOUNTOF MONEY BY CUTTING PELL GRANTS.

>> Jon: YOU WON'T GET PUSHBACKFROM ME THAT THE REPUBLICANS

WANT CORPORATE MONEY AT THEEXPENSE OF FOOD STAMPS.

THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME.

>> YOU ARE TELLING ME TONIGHT WEHAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND ALMOST

TO THE POINT OF INSTILLING FEARUNTIL PEOPLE TO SAY WHAT THE

DIFFERENCE IS.

>> Jon: NOT INSTILLING FEAR.

CAN I TELL YOU.

WHAT I'M TELLING YOU TONIGHT ISENOUGH WITH THE FIGHTING.

THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE INCONTROL OF, MAKE THEM WORK.

MAKE THEM WORK UNASSAILIBLY SOSO THAT YOU HAVE TANGIBLERESULTS

SO YOU CAN SAY TO PEOPLE THATOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT GOVERNMENT IS

SUCH THAT -- AND HERE IS WHAT WEDID AND HOW WE DID IT.

IF YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.

THEY'VE SO EMBARRASSEDTHEMSELVES WITH THEIR

KNUCKLEHEADS THAT THE DEMOCRATSHAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ESTABLISH

THEMSELVES IN A MUCH MORE --WITH MUCH MORE AUTHORITY THAN

EVER BEFORE BUT THEY CONTINUE TOI LIKE TO CALL IT FEAR OF

SUCCESS.

SELF PREVENT THEMSELVES.

I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT ABOUTMESSAGING.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ANYTHING OTHERTHAN SHOWING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT REFORMINGTHE MECHANISM OF GOVERNMENT AND

THE EFFICIENCY OF GOVERNMENT.

>> TOTALLY AGREE.

>> Jon: I THINK THAT WOULD BEA BIG DEAL FOR PEOPLE.

>> TOTALLY AGREE.

>> Jon: I CONVINCED HER.

>> YOU CONVINCED ME.

>> Jon: -- YOU CONVINCED ME.

>> Jon: NANCY PELOSI.

THANK YOU.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

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