Eugene Jarecki

  • Aired:  10/16/12
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Director Eugene Jarecki discusses the senselessness of American drug laws and how corporate interests perpetuate the prison-industrial complex. (6:32)

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS SAY

FILMMAKER HIS LATEST FILM IS

CALLED "THE HOUSE I LIVE IN."

>> WATCHING ARREST AFTER ARREST

I BEGAN TO SEAT DESTRUCTIVE

IMPACT ON DRUG LAWS NOT ONLY ON

THOSE THEY TARGET BUT ON THOSE

WHO ENFORCE THEM AS WELL.

>> THE COP THAT MADE THAT CHEAP

DRUG ARREST HE IS GOING TO GET

PAID.

HE GETS THE HOURS OF OVERTIME

FOR TAKING THE DRUGS DOWN TO

ECU.

HE GETS PAID FOR PROCESSING THE

PRESIDENTER IN AT CENTRAL

BOOKING.

HE'S PAID FOR SITTING BACK AT

HIS DESK FOR WRITING THE

PAPERWORK.

HE DOES THAT 40, 50, 60 TIMES A

MONTH SO HIS BASE PAY IS MAYBE

ONLY HALF OF WHAT HE IS PAID AS

A POLICE OFFICER.

>> Jon: WOW.

PLEASE WE PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO

THE SHOW EUGENE JARECKI.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

CONGRATULATIONS, AGAIN, ON THE

FILM.

IT'S INCREDIBLE.

THE DRUG WAR HAS COST AMERICA

GREATLY.

>> YES.

>> Jon: BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE

WE HAVE BREAKING BAD.

SO WOULD YOU SAY IN SOME WAYS

IT'S EVEN.

>> IT'S A WASH.

>> Jon: IT'S A WASH.

DID YOU KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE

EFFECTS OF THE DRUG WAR BEFORE

YOU EMBARKED ON THIS FILM?

>> I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A DRUG

WAR.

WHAT I SAW WAS THAT BLACK

AMERICANS DURING MY LIFETIME,

BLACK FRIENDS AND FAMILIES I

KNEW WERE SUFFERING.

THEY WEREN'T KIND OF GETTING THE

RESULTS OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS

MOVEMENT I THINK A LOT OF US

EXPECTED.

SOMETHING WAS BLOCKING BLACK

PROGRESS.

I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS.

IT WAS ONLY OVER TIME THAT IT

HAS TO DO WITH HOW MANY BLACK

PEOPLE ARE IN JAIL.

THEN WHY.

I STARTED TO LEARN IT WAS THE

DRUG WAR WITH US FOR 40 YEARS

NOW.

IT WAS PUTTING BLACK PEOPLE AWAY

BY CONTROLS AND HAVING A HUGE

IMPACT ON THAT COMMUNITY.

>> THE EASIEST ONE THAT SEEMS

LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST IS THE

DIFFERENCE IN SENTENCING BETWEEN

CRACK AND COCAINE.

>> IT'S AMAZING.

>> THAT'S THE ONE THAT I THINK

IS MAYBE THE MOST EASILY

DIGESTED.

>> SURE, WELL, PEOPLE MAY NOT

KNOW THIS HISTORICALLY CRACK HAS

BEEN PUNISHED 100 TIMES MORE

SEVERELY THAN POWDER COCAINE

EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE THE SAME

DRUG.

OVER TIME EXPERTS CAME TO

CONGRESS AND SAID I'M A JUDGE

I'M TELLING YOU IT MAKES NO

SENSE IN THE LAW, MAKES NO SENSE

IN SCIENCE AND IT'S A HUGE

IMPACT ON THE BLACK COMMUNITY

AFFECTED BY CRACK.

IT'S A RACIST LAW.

CONGRESS WOULDN'T HEAR IT.

ONLY THIS PAST YEAR THEY SAID

BEAL DROP IT FROM 100-1 TO 18-1.

>> Jon: SO THEY ADMITTED IT

WAS ABSOLUTELY AN INJUSTICE AND

THEY WANT TO LEAVE IT AT KIND OF

AN INJUSTICE.

>> THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE

MESSAGE WAS.

>> Jon: SURE THAT MAKES A LOT

OF SENSE.

>> OUR DRUG LAWS DON'T MAKE

SENSE A LOT OF TIME.

THE WOMAN WHO IN FLORIDA, FOR

EXAMPLE, RECENTLY THOUGHT THAT

HER SERIALLY ABUSIVE HUSBAND WAS

GOING TO ABUSE HER AND FIRED A

WARNING SHOT IN THE AIR.

IN FLORIDA YOU GET 20 YEAR

MINIMUM FOR DISCHARGING A

FIREARM ARM.

IF SHE POINTED THE GUN AT HIM

AND KILLED HIM SHE GOT 15 YEARS.

>> Jon: UNLESS SHE SAID HE WAS

STANDING HER GROUND.

>> THE LAWS ARE LIKE LESS MONEY

RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER PEOPLE.

>> Jon: THE PRISON INDUSTRIAL

COMPLEX OR DRUG INDUSTRIAL

COMPLEX WHAT IS THE CONNECTION?

>> WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF

INDUSTRIALIZED MASS

INCARCERATION.

WE'RE THE LARGEST JAILER IN THE

WORLD.

2.3 MILLION PEOPLE BEHIND BARS.

>> Jon: MORE THAN CHINA?

>> INDEED.

>> Jon: IN YOUR FACE CHINA!

YOU MAY OWN OUR DEBT BUT NOBODY

INCARS -- OH, WAY.

INCREDIBLE.

>> HOW DID WE GET THERE?

A BEACON OF DEMOCRACY AND YET

WE'VE A GULAG NATION.

THIS IS BECAUSE OF DRUG WAR.

THE NONTRY LENT IN THIS COUNTRY

ARE PUT IN JAIL FOR LONGER

SENTENCES THAN THE VIOLENT.

WHY?

>> Jon: IF YOU WATCH THE

DEBATE SAVE FOR RON PAUL OR

LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE, NOBODY

MENTIONS THE DRUG CAR, NOBODY

MENTIONS THE TYPES OF SENTENCES

AND THE DISPARITY IN THEM.

THERE WAS A DEBATE TONIGHT.

>> WE COULD TAKE A BET.

>> Jon: MAYBE FOR-A GRAM --

>> AFTERWARDS.

>> Jon: WE'RE WHITE GUYS.

WE CAN GET AWAY WIT.

[ LAUGHTER ]

YOU KNOW, IT'S ASTONISHING.

>> IT HAS TO DO WITH AGAIN,

BUSINESS.

THIS COUNTRY IS FINDING

EVERYWHERE WE LOOK WE'RE SEEING

PLACES WHERE THE EXTRAORDINARY

POWER OF CORPORATIONS IN THIS

COUNTRY AND THE UNHOLY ALLIANCE

THEY HAVE WITH THOSE IN CONGRESS

IS DESTROYING --

>> Jon: WHAT WOULD BE THE

CORPORATE INTEREST IN ININCOURSE

RATING PEOPLE.

>> THERE ARE PRIVATE PRISON THAT

RELY FOR THEIR OWN VIEFERRAL ON

FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS.

IT'S NOT JUST THAT THEM IT'S THE

PUBLIC SYSTEM WITH EMPLOYEES,

THE FOOD SERVICE, THE LAUNDRY

SYSTEM I WENT TO TRADE SHOWS

WHERE I SAW PEOPLE WHO MAKE

THEIR ENTIRE LIFE'S WORK THAT

SELL YOU THE BETTER STUN GUN

THAT -- THAN THAT GUY'S STUN

GUN.

THERE'S A COMMONALITY WHERE WE

RELY ON.

THIS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE IN

THE POCKET OF IT.

>> Jon: YOU HAVE THIS

INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS TO BE

DISASSEMBLED.

IT'S AN ACTIVE PROCESS AND WE'RE

NOT PRAY GOOD THAT.

HOW DOES THAT ZMUR.

>> WE'VE HAD SYSTEMS BEFORE WE

HAD TO STOP.

WE HAD TO STOP SLAVERY.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN EVERY

REVOLUTION BRITT HAPPENED YOU

SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

AND THEN IT DOES HAPPEN AND

PEOPLE SAY IT WAS INHE HAVE HAVE

ITABLE.

YOU SEE PEOPLE ACROSS THE

SPECTRUM WEIGHING.

IN PAT ROBERTSON SPOKE OUT

AGAINST THE DRUG WAR.

CHRIS CHRISTIE.

PEOPLE ONL THE LEFT SIDE OF THE

AISLE AL SHARPTON, RUSSELL

SIMMONS THEY THOUGHT THAT FOR A

LONG TIME.

HOW OFTEN DO YOU SEE GROVER

NORQUIST AND RUSSELL SIMMONS ON

THE SAME SIDE OF ANY ISSUE?

IT'S VULNERABLE BECAUSE IT'S

FAILED ON THE NUMBER AND IMMORAL

AND HURTING PEOPLE SO VASTLY.

>> Jon: DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE

MINUTES

MINUTES TO STICK AROUND?

>> YES.

>> Jon: "THE HOUSE I LIVE IN."

EUGENE JARECKI.

IT'S IN

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