Exclusive - R.J. Cutler Extended Interview Pt. 1

  • Aired:  02/27/13
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In this exclusive, unedited interview, documentarian R.J. Cutler contrasts Dick Cheney's lack of introspection with a real concern for his legacy. (6:20)

TONIGHT IS A DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER THE LATEST FILM IS SHOWTIME'S "THE WORLD ACCORDING

TO DICK CHENEY."

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DRAWING A LINE YOU DON'T CONSIDER A PROLONGED PERIOD OF CREATING THE

SENSATION OF DROWNING SHALL YOU DON'T CONSIDER TORTURE.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

TELL ME WHAT TERRORIST ATTACKS YOU WOULD HAVE LET GO FORWARD BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE A

MEAN AND NASTY FELLOW.

ARE YOU GOING TO PRAY THE LIVES OF A NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO PRESERVE YOUR HONOR.

ARE YOU GOING TO DO YOUR JOB TO SAFEGUARD THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE LIVES OF ITS CITIZENS.

>> Jon: MUST HAVE BEEN A FUN WEEKEND.

PLEASE WELCOME R.J. CUTLERMENT.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

WOW!

WOW.

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT HAUNTING MUSIC DOES THAT JUST PLAY WHEN HE IS AROUND?

>> IT DOES, YEAH.

AMAZING.

SAVES YOU A LOT OF MONEY ON A SCORE.

>> Jon: SURE.

CAN I IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.

HOW LONG DID YOU SPEND WITH THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT?

>> WELL, I MET HIM OVER A LUNCH TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT ONE AFTERNOON AND THEN FOR THE

INTERVIEWS I WAS WITH HIM FOUR DAYS, FIVE HOURS A DAY, 20 HOURS.

ON THE FIFTH DAY HE INVITED US TO GO FLY FISHING.

>> Jon: IS THAT -- ASSUMING WHEN THEY KILL YOU AND THREE YOUR BODY IN THE RIVER.

IT SOUNDS LIKE GODFATHER WE'VE HAD OUR INTERVIEW, COME TO MY BOAT.

[ LAUGHTER ]

OBVIOUSLY THERE IS AN EXPECTATION IN THE AUDIENCE IN GENERAL THAT YOU WILL TELL IT.

IT'S AGAINST THE CODE.

>> DIFFERENT FILMMAKERS WOULD APPROACH IT DIFFERENTLY.

FOR ME THE FILM IS BUILT AROUND HIS VOICE.

THE IDEA BEHIND THE FILM IS THAT THIS MAN IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL AND VOICE THIS COUNTRY

HAS KNOWN.

THERE'S DETACTORS AND SUPPORTERS WHOSE VOICES ARE ALSO HEARD.

THE IDEA, AND HOW I GOT HIM TO PARTICIPATE IS SAYING I WANT TO BUILD THIS AROUND YOUR VOICE.

MY YELLING AT HIM WAS NOT GOING TO GET US WHERE WE WANTED TO GET.

YOU DON'T GET THE CLIP THAT YOU JUST HEARD THAT YOU PITS HONOR AGAINST DUTY AND DISMISSES HONOR

AS A VALUE.

>> Jon: HE SEEMS TO THROUGHOUT THE FILM SAYS THE CHOICE SEEMS TO BE, I HAD A CHOICE, I COULD

EITHER BE LOVED OR DO WHAT IS RIGHT.

THERE WAS A MIDDLE GROUND WHERE YOU COULD NOT NECESSARILY BE LOVED BUT NOT (bleep) SO BAD.

HE DOESN'T SEEM TO CONSIDER THAT.

>> HE IS NOT A MAN IN RETREAT.

AND HE IS A POLITICIAN OF TOTAL CONVICTION.

ONE OF THE THEMES THE FILM EXPLORES IS WHAT -- WE'RE ATTRACTED TO POLITICIANS OF

CONVICTION, IT MAKES THE DEMOCRACY RUN.

WE NEED PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THINGS BUT THERE'S A LIMIT AND WHERE DOES IT CROSS THE LINE TO

WHEN IT BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE.

>> Jon: I'M INTERESTED IN HIS CERTAINTY.

THERE'S A POINT IN THE MOVIE WHERE YOU SAY TO HIM, HE'S GOING THROUGH THE DATING PHASE REALLY

WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE COLOR?

WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE FOOD?

WHAT IS YOUR WORST QUALITY AND HE'S STUMPED.

HE'S HITTING THE ANSWERS LIKE SPAGHETTI, BLUE, I SEE A TURTLE, YOU KNOW LIKE --

[LAUGHTER]

HE'S HITTING IT ALL.

BUT WHIT GETS TO NAME A BAD QUALITY HE'S LIKE --

>> YEAH.

AND INTERESTINGLY WHEN HE SAW THE FILM THAT WAS THE MOMENT -- HE WAS HAPPY THAT I HAD CHOSEN

TO INCLUDE THAT.

SOMETHING HE RESPONDED TO.

>> Jon: THAT YOU COULDN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM.

>> THE EXAMINATION OF HIS FLAWS IS NOT SOMETHING ESSEN GAUGED IN.

>> Jon: WHAT IS STUNG IS THE CERTAINTY OF HIS DECISION-MAKING.

HE HAS NO SENSE THAT EXAMINATION OF PAST MISTAKES MUST INFORM FUTURE DECISIONS.

HE JUST PRETENDS AS THOUGH -- I COULD EITHER LOOK BACK AND CORRECT SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE

DONE OR BE LOVED.

I CHOSE -- HE KEEPS SETTING UP THESE WEIRD STRAW MEN.

>> IT'S STARTLING IN ITS SIMPLICITY AND CLARITY.

BUT I THINK IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN HE LETS ON.

HE SAID IF YOU WANT TO BE LOVED BE A MOVIE STAR.

I DIDN'T DO IT TO BE LOVED BUT THEN HERE NECESSARY A MOVIE.

WE MADE A MOVIE AND HE PARTICIPATED.

>> Jon: DO YOU THINK HE DOES WANT AFFECTION?

DOES HE WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED?

DOES HE WANT TO BE REWARDED ON A MAINSTREAM LEVEL?

DO YOU THINK THAT IS THERE?

>> IT'S HARD TO KNOW.

I THINK HE'S OBVIOUSLY INTERESTED IN HIS LEGACY.

HE IS REDEFINING WHAT A VICE PRESIDENT DOES AFTER HIS ADMINISTRATION --

>> Jon: HE HAD THIS WHOLE THING THAT HE EXISTS IN THE VAPORS OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

IT WAS CRAZY.

>> IT WAS A WHOLE NEW WAY OF SEEING THE ROLE BOTH IN OFFICE AND AFTERWARDS.

HE HAS WRITTEN A BOOK, HE IS WRITING ANOTHER BOOK.

HOW HISTORY SEES HIM.

>> Jon: WAS THERE ANY MOMENT OF INSECURITY THAT YOU SAW?

DOES THESE PANTS MAKE ME LOOK FAT?

ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> MOMENTS TALKING ABOUT HIS YOUTH AND WHEN HE WENT OFF --

>> Jon: WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

CAN YOU STICK AROUND?

APPEARS ON SHOWTIME MARCH 15.

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