Roger Ross Williams

  • Aired:  01/13/14
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"God Loves Uganda" director Roger Ross Williams delves into the evangelical fight against homosexuality in Africa. (6:57)

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT ACADEMY -- HE'SAN ACADEMY AWARD WINNING

DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER.

HIS NEW ONE IS CALLED GOD LOVESUGANDA. THE

GOVERNMENT IS THE GOVERNMENT ANDTHEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO

WHAT THEY WANT TO.

THE LAW SAYS NO HOMOSEXUAL INTHIS NATION.

IT'S AN ABOMINATION TO GOD.

I SHOULD STAND IN AGREEMENT THEYSHOULDN'T OPEN THE DOORS BECAUSE

GOD DOESN'T WANT IT.

HE WANTS IT STOPPED.

UGANDA IS TRYING TO TAKE APOSITION.

>> HALLELUJAH.

>> Jon: PLEASE WELCOME TO THESHOW ROGER ROSS WILLIAMS.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]HELLO, SIR.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> NICE TO BE HERE.

>> Jon: CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: IT'S A REMARKABLEFILM.

THIS IS A FILM ABOUT THEAMERICAN EVANGELICAL MOVEMENT,

OR AT LEAST ONE BRANCH INUGANDA.

>> YES, IT IS.

>> Jon: YOU GOT INVOLVED HOW?

>> I GREW UP IN THE CHURCH.

SO I JUST READ ABOUT WHAT WASGOING ON IN UGANDA.

I READ THAT THERE WAS A LAW TOMAKE HOMOSEXUALITY PUNISHABLE

BY DEATH BUT I READ THATAMERICANS WERE BEHIND IT.

I WENT THERE I MET DAVID KATOIWHO IS A SLAIN ACTIVIST AND HE

SAIDTHIS IS THE STORY NOT TOLD

UGANDA.

AND THAT'S HOW IT STARTED.

>> Jon: IT'S AN INCREDIBLESTORY.

WHEN YOU CONTACTED THEM BECAUSEYOU HAVE INCREDIBLE ACCESS TO

THIS MOVEMENT OF EVANGELICALS,HOW DID YOU MAKE YOUR PITCH TO

THEM?

>> I SAID I GREW UP IN THECHURCH.

I UNDERSTAND.

I UNDERSTAND SPEAKING INTONGUES.

I UNDERSTAND THE PASSION AND THEEND TIME BUT HOW DOES THAT

TRANSLATE INTO LIKE KILLINGPEOPLE FOR WHO THEY ARE?

THAT'S WHAT WAS AMAZING TO ME.

TI SAID I GREW UP IN THE CHURCHSO

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND -- I WANTTO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR -- WHAT

IS BEHIND ALL THIS?

WHY UGANDA?

>> Jon: WAS THERE ANY PART?

I'M CURIOUS.

THEY CLEARLY HAVE TAKEN A STANCEAGAINST -- IN THE MOVIE

HOMOSEXUALITY THREE THINGS,HOMOSEXUALITY, ABORTION AND

ISLAM.

>> THE THREAT OF ISLAM.

>> Jon: SORRY NOT ISLAM BUTTHE THREAT OF ISLAM.

THEY'VE TAKEN A STAND AGAINSTTHIS.

CHRISTIANS ARE PERSECUTED INCERTAIN PLACES CERTAINLY LIKE

NORTH KOREA AND THAT.

ARE THEY AWARE OF THE IRONY OFPERSECUTING PEOPLE FOR WHO THEY

ARE WHILE FIGHTING AGAINSTPERSECUTION FOR THEMSELVES

BECAUSE OF WHO THEY ARE?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYSELF AWARENESS.

>> Jon: THAT NEVER CAME --THAT NEVER?

>> I THINK THEY ARE SO DRIVEN BYWHAT THEY CONSIDER BIBLICAL LAW.

BY THE END TIMES ABOUTERADICATING SIN, THAT'S THAT IS

WHAT DRIVES THEM.

>> Jon: THE IDEA TO THEM IS IFERADICATE HOMOSEXUALITY IN

UGANDA JESUS COMES BACK.

THIS IS THE CONNECTION THEY AREDRAWING.

>> YES, THIS STARTS IN AFRICA.

>> Jon: SURE, SURE.

IT DID ULTIMATELY START THERE, IGUESS.

>> IT DID ULTIMATELY START INAFRICA, YOU ARE RIGHT.

>> Jon: NIGERIA, THE PRESIDENTOF NIGERIA RECENTLY I THINK IT

WAS TODAY SIGNED THAT VERY LAW.

HOW IS THIS HAPPENING?

WHERE IS THE INTENSITY ANDIMPETUS COMING FROM?

IS IT FROM AMERICA?

>> IT'S AMERICAN LEADERS WHOFEEL THEY ARE TOTALLY FRUSTRATED

WITH WHAT IS GOING ON INAMERICA.

THEY'VE LOST THE CULTURE WAR.

AS MARRIAGE EQUALITY IS PASSEDSTATE BY STATE, THE SUPREME

COURT RULING.

SO THEY ARE FRUSTRATED SO THEYGO TO UGANDA.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: DID YOU -- YOU TALK

ABOUT THEM AS THOUGH THEY HAVEBIG HEARTS AND THEY ARE GOOD

PEOPLE.

DO YOU LIKE THEM?

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING, IACTUALLY REALLY LEARNED TO LIKE

ALL THE PEOPLE IN MY FILM.

I THINK THAT THE WALL THATDIVIDED US CAME DOWN.

THERE'S A LOT OF MISSIONARIESDOING GOOD WORK IN AFRICA.

IT'S IT'S JUST A FEW.

IT'S SCOTT LIVELY WHO WENT TOAFRICA SAYING THE NAZI MOVEMENT

WAS A GAY MOVEMENT.

HE WROTE A BOOK CALLED THE PINKSWASTIKA.

>> Jon: I WILL SAY THIS, THEUNIFORMS ARE PRISTINE IN THE

NAZIS.

CERTAINLY SOMEONE HAD --[LAUGHTER]

DID THEY LEARN TO LIKE YOU?

>> I THINK SO.

YOU KNOW JOANNA WATSON WHEN YOUSAW IN THE CLIP.

SHE SAID ROGER I THINK GAYPEOPLE SHOULD GO TO PRISON.

I SAID DO YOU THINK I SHOULD GOTO PRISON AT THE END?

SHE SAID NO, I LOVE YOU.

EVEN THOUGH SHE HAS HER OWNISSUES WITH HER OWN SEXUALITY.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> Jon: WHEN I WATCHED THAT

THE TERMINOLOGY SHE USED WASINTERESTING.

IT HAS TO BECAUSE IT'S ANABOMINATION.

HAVING READ THE BIBLE BECAUSE IDO STAY IN A LOT OF HOTELS.

[LAUGHTER]THEY ALSO TALK ABOUT HOW IN THE

SAME CHAPTER EATING SHELLFISH ISAN

ABOMINATION.

WHY THE FOCUS ON THIS?

>> I THINK CERTAIN TYPE OFFUNDAMENTALIST EVANGELICALS ARE

OBSESSED WITH SEX.

AT iHOP.

>> Jon: NOT THE PANCAKE HOUSE.

>> THERE'S A BUDDY SYSTEM TOMONITOR EACH OTHER NOT TO LOOK

AT PORN.

>> Jon: DO THEY KNOW IT'S AFORM OF PORNOGRAPHY.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> EXACTLY.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS.

ALL RIGHT.

>> I JUST FOUND UGANDA IS --GOOGLE CAME OUT WITH A STUDY

THAT UGANDA IS THE THIRDCOUNTRY TO WATCH GAY PORN.

>> Jon: ONE OF THE TOP THREE.

>> UGANDA.

>> Jon: WOW.

THIS GOOGLE STUDY, IT DOESN'TNAME NAMES, DOES IT?

>> NO, I MIGHT BE IN TROUBLEMYSELF.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> Jon: THE FILM NOW YOU FIND

OUT ON THURSDAY IF YOU ARENOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR.

YOU ARE ON THE SHORT LIST.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: "GOD LOVES UGANDA"

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