Exclusive - Hillary Clinton Extended Interview Pt. 4

  • Aired:  07/15/14
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Hillary Clinton reflects on how fear of change can hinder effective global leadership and be an obstacle to peace building. (5:16)

>> Jon: DO YOU BELIEVE,THOUGH, THAT THE ISRAELI

LEADERSHIP, NETANYAHU, TRULY ARESINCERE?

YOU KNOW, THE SETTLEMENTBUILDING CONTINUES NO MATTER

WHAT AMERICA OR THE RESTOF THE WORLD SAYS.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Jon: DOESN'T THAT SEND AMESSAGE THAT IT'S NOT A REAL

SINCERITY ON THEIR PART, ANDHASN'T HE EVEN TALKED

RECENTLY ABOUT A ONE-STATESOLUTION BEING THE ONLY OPTION?

SO AREN'T BOTH OF THESE PEOPLESTRAPPED BY THEIR LEADERSHIPS AND

THE MORE WE GET INTO WHO ISWORSE, WHO IS BETTER, THE LESS

WE'RE LIKELY TO FIND SOME SORTOF SOLUTION.

>> WELL, THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T GOAT IT LIKE THAT.

YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP YOUR EYE ONTRYING TO PERSUADE BOTH SIDES.

AND WHEN I SAY "BOTH SIDES," IREALLY MEAN THE ISRAELI

LEADERSHIP AND THE PALESTINIANAUTHORITY LEADERSHIP BECAUSE

AS I SAY, HAMAS HAS REJECTED THEINTERNATIONAL STANDARDS BY WHICH

THEY COULD BE PART OF SUCH ANEGOTIATION.

THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU CAN GET TODEFINING BORDERS, AND OUR

POLICY EVER SINCE MY HUSBANDWAS PRESIDENT, REITERATED BY

BUSH, REITERATED BY PRESIDENTOBAMA...

>> YOUR HUSBAND WAS PRESIDENT?[LAUGHTER]

>> YES. HE WAS. YEAH, YEAH.

HE WORKED IN ONE OF THOSE ROOMSWITHOUT CORNERS.

>> Jon: YOU THOUGHT TOYOURSELF, I COULD GET USED TO

THAT. >> WELL, NOT AT THE TIME.

>> Jon: NOT AT THE TIME.

>> BUT SINCE THEN I'VE GIVEN ITSOME THOUGHT. SO, I THINK WHAT

HE...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: YOU'RE RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT.

YOU'RE RUNNING.

>> WHAT HE TRIED TO DO AT CAMPDAVID AND WHAT PRESIDENT BUSH

TRIED TO DO WITH SOMETHINGCALLED THE ROAD MAP AND WHAT

PRESIDENT OBAMA AND SECRETARYKERRY AND I BEFORE THEM TRIED TO

DO WAS TO COME TO AN AGREEMENTTHAT WOULD OUTLINE BORDERS AND

THEN SOME SETTLEMENTS WOULD BEIN THE BORDERS.

OTHERS WOULD NOT BE.

I MEAN, THAT WAS THE WHOLETHEORY.

AND ON BOTH SIDES, I REALLYTHINK IT'S NOT SO MUCH

CALCULATION OR RESISTANCE.

IT'S INSECURITY AND FEAR.

>> Jon: WELL, IT DOESN'T SEEMSUSTAINABLE.

>> WELL, I AGREE WITH THAT. IAGREE WITH THAT.

>> AND IT SEEMS LIKE BOTHLEADERSHIPS ARE GETTING

SOMETHING OUT OF THISCONFLICT CONTINUING,

OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T.

>> WELL, BUT I THINK IF THEYWERE BOTH HERE AND I HAD, I

WRITE ABOUT THIS, I HAD,I MONITORED AND PARTICIPATED

IN THE LAST LEADER-TO-LEADERMEETINGS.

WE HAD THREE SUCH MEETINGS WHEREWE REALLY NEGOTIATED.

IT WAS JUST FOUR OF US IN THEROOM.

IT WAS NETANYAHU.

IT WAS ABBAS.

IT WAS ME AND GEORGE MITCHELL,WHO WAS OUR SPECIAL ENVOY.

>> Jon: HE WAS REPRESENTINGHAMAS?

>> YEAH, NO HE WASN'T, BUT HEWAS, HE WAS A VERY GOOD

NEGOTIATOR...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SOMEBODY WHO HAD WORKED ONTHE IRISH PEACE PROCESS.

IN FACT, HE TELLS A FUNNY STORYABOUT HOW HE WAS IN JERUSALEM

TALKING ABOUT HIS WORK ON THEIRISH PEACE PROCESS WITH MY

HUSBAND, AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW,THIS WAS A VERY LONG CONFLICT,

IT WENT BACK 800 YEARS AND ITTOOK A LONG TIME AND A LOT OF

EFFORT TO GET THE PARTIES TOTRUST EACH OTHER ENOUGH TO MAKE

A NEGOTIATION THAT LED TO PEACEAGREEMENT.

800 YEARS.

ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THEAUDIENCE SAID, I THINK IT WAS A

HEBREW UNIVERSITY SAID, "SUCH ARECENT CONFLICT."

I MEAN, REALLY, YOU KNOW.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO, YEAH, HISTORY IS AHEAVYWEIGHT.

AND, THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MINDTHAT BOTH SIDES, AND I'VE SEEN

IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN,THEY EACH KNOW WHAT AN

AGREEMENT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND I REMEMBER WHEN EHUD BARAKWAS PRIME MINISTER.

HE MADE A VERY EXTENSIVE OFFERTO YASSER ARAFAT.

AND, I THINK WHAT HAPPENED ISARAFAT JUST BASICALLY SAID,

I AM AFRAID TO TAKE IT. IDON'T KNOW WHAT COMES NEXT.

I'M COMFORTABLE IN THE ROLE THATI'M IN, WHICH IS A KIND OF

GUERRILLA-TURNED, YOUKNOW, POLITICIAN, BUT I DON'T

KNOW THAT I CAN BE A LEADER, AGOVERNMENT LEADER.

EVERYBODY LIVES WITH THEIR OWNFEARS AND INSECURITIES, AND

WHAT'S SO TRAGIC ABOUT THEROCKETS COMING FROM GAZA AFTER A

PERIOD OF, YOU KNOW, TWO-PLUSYEARS BECAUSE OF THE CEASEFIRE I

WAS INVOLVED IN, IS NOWEVERYBODY'S BACK IN

THEIR CORNERS AGAIN.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND UNLESS WE CAN GIVE PEOPLEENOUGH OF A SENSE OF SECURITY ON

BOTH SIDES THAT THEY'RE GOING TOBE BETTER OFF AND THEIR CHILDREN

ARE GOING TO BE BETTER OFF, THENTHE GUYS WITH THE GUNS CAN

ALWAYS DISRUPT ANYTHING.IT'S WHY AN EXTREMIST IN ISRAEL

KILLED, YOU KNOW, YITZHAK RABIN.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BECAUSE HE KNEW YITZHAKRABIN COULD MAKE LASTING PEACE.

AND THERE ARE EXTREMISTS ON ALLSIDES. AND PEOPLE WITH GUNS ON

ALL SIDES. AND SO LEADERSHIPHAS TO BE VERY TOUGH-MINDED

AND VERY STRONG, BUT THEY HAVETO HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT TOO

MAKE THE HARD CHOICES.

>> Jon: WHAT? YOU DID NOT DOTHAT.

WHAT?

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]WOW.

HONESTLY, THAT MAY BE... LET MEGO TO THE JUDGES ON THAT.

WHAT... THAT MAY BE THEGREATEST SEGUE IN THE HISTORY

BACK TO... THAT MAY BE THEGREATEST SEGUE BACK TO A TITLE.

THANK GOD YOU GO TO "HARDCHOICES" AND NOT "STUFF I DID."

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> HILLARY CLINTON.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

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