Mark Adams

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Mark Adams relates the history of Machu Picchu explorers and his own trek through the Andes with mules and coca leaves. (5:40)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, AN AUTHOR.

HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED TURN

RIGHT AT MACHU PICCHU.

REDISCOVERING THE LOST CITY

ONE STEP AT A TIME.

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM

MARK ADAMS.

SIR!

NICE TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

>> Jon: I HAD NO IDEA THAT THE

MACHU PICCHU WAS SO... I GUESS

CONTROVERSIAL.

THAT IT NEEDED TO BE THAT THE

GENTLEMAN WHO DISCOVERED IT I

GUESS WAS HIRAM BINGHAM.

>> HE WAS A YALE LECTURER WHO

FOUND IT JUST ABOUT 100 YEARS

AGO EXACTLY AND CAUSED A

LITTLE CONTROVERSY BECAUSE HE

LATER TOOK FULL CREDIT FOR

FINDING MACHU PICCHU AND LEFT

OUT THE FACT THAT THERE WERE

THREE FAMILIES OF FARMERS

LIVING UP GROWING TOMATOES

AMONG THE RUINS WHEN HE GOT

THERE.

HE CAME BACK A YEAR LATER.

>> Jon: DO NATIVE PEOPLE

COUNT?

>> THAT IS PART OF THE

CONTROVERSY.

>> Jon: AND YOU DECIDED TO

RETRACE BINGHAM'S PATH TO

MACHU PICCHU.

>> YES.

HE DID A FAMOUS EXPEDITION IN

1911 ON WHICH HE WAS LOOKING

FOR THE LOST CITY OF THE INCAS

WHICH WAS THIS LEGENDARY CITY

THAT MANY BELIEVE THAT A GROUP

OF INCA NOBLES HAD RUN OFF TO

WITH ALL THE TREASURES OF THE

EMPIRE WHEN PIZARRO ARRIVED IN

1532.

>> Jon: THIS WAS TO ESCAPE THE

SPANISH AND THEIR TAKEOVER.

>> THE CON QUIST TO DORES WHO

ARRIVED, EXACTLY.

HE ALSO GOT A HOT TIP THAT

THERE MIGHT BE COOL RUINS.

>> Jon: A HOT TIP ON COOL

RUINS.

>> EXACTLY.

YOU HAVEN'T READ "NATIONAL

GEOGRAPHIC" IN A WHILE.

>> Jon: NOW THIS BINGHAM WAS

WRITING FOR "NATIONAL

GEOGRAPHIC".

HE REALLY PUT THEM FOR LACK OF

A BETTER PUN ON THE MAP.

>> "NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC" WAS A

FAIRLY SMALL MAGAZINE BEFORE

MACHU PICCHU CAME OUT.

THEY DEVOTED A WHOLE ISSUE TO

IT IN 1913.

IT WAS A MAJOR SUCCESS FOR

EVERYBODY.

>> Jon: WHAT YOU FOUND ON

THERE, HOW LONG DID YOU SPEND

TREKING TO MACHU PICCHU.

>> WITH MY GUIDE JOHN AND

THREE MULE TENDERS AND A COOK,

WE WENT AROUND FOR ABOUT A

MONTH THROUGH THE ANDES OF

PERU.

>> Jon: HOW HARD IS IT TO

BECOME A MULE TENDER?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A

LICENSING PROCESS BECAUSE JOHN

ON OUR FIRST DAY OUT GAVE ME A

BIG LECTURE ABOUT HOW NOT TO

GET KICKED BY A MULE.

ABOUT AN HOUR LATER THE MULE

TENDERS CAME BACK AND SAID HE

JUST GOT KICKED BY THE MULE.

>> Jon: NOW YOU MUST PARDON ME

FOR THIS.

YOU DON'T STRIKE ME AS SO MUCH

OF THE EXPLORER TYPE.

SO THIS STRIKES ME THE

HARDSHIP OF THE ANDES WITH THE

LACK OF BREATHEABLE AIR.

VERY THIN OXYGEN UP THERE.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Jon: WAS IT DIFFICULT FOR

YOU?

>> IT WAS UNTIL WE DISCOVERED

THE MAGIC OF COCOA.

THE COCOA LEAVES.

WE HAD TO KEEP STOPPING AND

BUYING THESE LARGE BAGS WHICH

THEY LOOKED LIKE BAY LEAVES.

>> Jon: I'M FAMILIAR WITH...

(LAUGHING) NO NEED, SIR.

>> I WAS HOPING TO GET LIKE A

LITTLE OF THAT TONY MONTANA

ACTION.

IT'S MORE LIKE HAVING A NICE

CUP OF TEA UNFORTUNATELY.

>> Jon: SO THE MULE TENDERS

APPRECIATED THAT.

SO YOU FIND OUT, WHAT DO YOU

FIND OUT NOW ABOUT BEING...

THE PEOPLE IN PERU ARE ANGRY

AT THIS MAN.

THEY SAY HE STOLE THEIR

ARTIFACTS.

WHAT DID YOU DISCOVER ABOUT

THINGS?

>> THEY'RE RIGHT.

HE DID HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH

THE PRESIDENT OF PERU THAT HE

WOULD TAKE THESE ARTIFACTS

FROM MACHU PICCHU UP TO THE

PEABODY MUSEUM AT YALE AND

BRING THEM BACK WHENEVER PERU

ASKED FOR THEM.

PERU STARTED ASKING FOR THEM A

FEW YEARS AGO AND YALE

BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW,

WE'VE HAD THIS STUFF IN OUR

BASEMENT FOR A LONG TIME.

YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR IT

BACK NOW.

>> Jon: THEY'RE NOT EVEN

DISPLAYING IT.

IT'S IN THEIR BASEMENT.

>> MOST OF IT IS IN THEIR

BASEMENT.

THEY'RE STUDYING IT.

MOST OF IT IS POTTERY

FRAGMENTS AND HUMAN REMAINS.

>> Jon: MOST OF IT IS THE

ANCESTORS OF THE PEOPLE

REQUESTING IT.

>> BUT IT'S NOT KING TUT'S

TREASURE.

BUT BECAUSE IT IS THAT STUFF,

IT WAS A BIG DEAL FOR PERUIANS

TO GET IT BACK.

YALE AGREED TO SEND IT BACK IN

NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

>> Jon: IT SHOULD BE NOTED

THAT THE GENTLEMAN WHO DID

FIND IT BEFORE HIM, THIS BURNS

FELLOW....

>> HE WAS BASICALLY JUST THERE

TO STEAL ARTIFACTS AS QUICKLY

AS HE COULD.

WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS

SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.

>> Jon: HE WAS THERE 40 YEARS

BEFORE.

>> 1867.

>> Jon: HE ALSO PROBABLY FOUND

THE COCOA LEAVES I WOULD

MANAGE.

>> HE ALSO PROBABLY FOUND

COCOA LEAVES.

>> Jon: YOU MET SOME OF THESE

FOLKS AT THE EXPLORERS CLUB.

IS THAT A REAL PLACE?

>> THE EXPLORERS CLUB IS A

REAL PLACE.

>> Jon: DO THE PEOPLE AT THE

DOOR EVER GO, WELL, HOW DID

YOU FIND US?

THAT WOULD BE A FUNNY

EXPLORERS' JOKE THAT THEY

COULD DO OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

>> I THINK THEY PROBABLY DO.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S NEVER BEEN PULLED ON ME.

THEN I LOOK LIKE THIS.

>> Jon: STOP IT.

CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING.

YOU LOOK LIKE, IF DREW CARY

MARRIED JOHN HODGMAN.

THAT ONE IS GOING TO HAUNT

YOU.

BY THE WAY REALLY ENTERTAINING

WRITING.

REALLY FUNNY.

REALLY INTERESTING STORY.

YOU GUYS SHOULD PICK IT UP.

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