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July 2, 2015 - Sarah Vowell

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Donald Trump defends his racist remarks, Ohioans fight a Native American group over an Alaskan mountain, and Sarah Vowell discusses "Lafayette in the Somewhat United States." (21:30)

>> Jon: HI, EVERYBODY!

WELCOME TO "THE DAILY SHOW"!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, NATE.

MY NAME IS JON STEWART!

MY GUEST TONIGHT, ONE OF OURALL-TIME FAVORITES, SARAH VOWELL

WILL BE JOINING US TONIGHT.

WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

YOU KNOW WHAT?

THIS IS THE LAST SHOW BEFORE WEGO ON A BREAK, A COUPLE-WEEK

BREAK.

THEN WHEN WE GET BACK, BASICALLYIT'S A THREE-WEEK RUN TO THE

FINALE.

OBVIOUSLY, I'VE GOT A LOT OFMIXED EMOTIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT I

WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE PERSONWHO'S BEEN THERE FOR ME, REALLY

THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE RUN, BUTESPECIALLY NEAR THE END OF THE

RUN.

HIS NAME IS DONALD.

(LAUGHTER)

AND...

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

GOOD MAN.

AND DONALD RECENTLY GLIDED BACKINTO MY LIFE ON HIS SOLID GOLD

UP AND DOWN PEOPLE MOVER,CRANKED UP THE UNAUTHORIZED

NEIL YOUNG, OPENED UP HIS CRAZYHOLE AND MADE A PROMISE TO ME

THAT I WOULD NEVER BE WITHOUTMATERIAL AGAIN!

(LAUGHTER)

>> WHEN MEXICO SENDS ITSPEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT SENDING

THEIR BEST.

THEY'RE SENDING PEOPLE THAT HAVELOTS OF PROBLEMS, AND THEY'RE

BRINGING THOSE PROBLEMS WITH US.

THEY'RE BRINGING DRUGS.

THEY'RE BRINGING CRIME.

THEY'RE RAPISTS.

AND SOME, I ASSUME, ARE GOODPEOPLE.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR DONALD TRUMPREMINDING AMERICA THAT AS MANY

AS A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE --

(LAUGHTER)

-- COMING ACROSS OUR SOUTHERNBORDER ARE NOT RAPISTS!

(LAUGHTER)

HE ASSUMES...

HE'S SURE ABOUT THE RAPIST PART.

(LAUGHTER)

BUT FEELS THAT, I GUESS, BYPURE LAW OF AVERAGES, THERE ARE

PROBABLY SOME NON-RAPISTSCAUGHT UP IN THAT TIDE, WHETHER

THEY'RE UNABLE TO RAPE FORMEDICAL REASONS OR --

(LAUGHTER)

-- OR WHETHER THEY ARE JUST ALLRAPED OUT!

(LAUGHTER)

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THISSTATEMENT FROM A REPUBLICAN

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE --

(LAUGHTER)

WAS NOTICED.

>> NBC ANNOUNCED PLANS TO CUTALL BUSINESS TIES TO DONALD

TRUMP.

>> UNIVISION IS DROPPING ALLTIES WITH DONALD TRUMP.

>> MACY'S JOINS THE LIST.

>> ADD SERTA MATTRESS COMPANYTO THE LIST.

>> RICKY MARTIN IS YANKING HISFO UNDATION GOLF TOURNAMENT OFF

TRUMP PROPERTY.

>> Jon: I AM SHOCKED!

I AM SHOCKED THAT SO MANY PEOPLEWERE OKAY GOING DOING BUSINESS

WITH DONALD TRUMP UP TO THISPOINT --

(LAUGHTER)

-- BUT YOU KNOW OUR P.C.CULTURE IMMEDIATELY MOVES TO

SHUT CONTROVERSIAL SPEAKERS UPAND CENSOR THEM BY INTERVIEWING

THEM EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME.

>> BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHETHER ORNOT YOU WOULD STICK BY THESE

COMMENTS.

>> DO YOU REGRET YOU DIDN'T HAVEA SCRIPT?

DO YOU WANT TO APOLOGIZE FORANYTHING?

>> WOULD YOU TAKE ANY OF THATBACK?

>> DO YOU REGRET SAYING THATSPECIFICALLY ABOUT RAPIST OR DO

YOU STAND BY IT?

>> Jon: AND BEFORE YOU ANSWER,REMEMBER MY QUESTION INCLUDED

THE WORDS REGRET, RAPIST, ANDYOU!

(LAUGHTER)

WHICH, IN THE NEWS BUSINESS,IS CALLED A HINT!

NOW, OBVIOUSLY, MR. TRUMP WASSPEAKING EXTEMPORANEOUSLY.

DID DONALD TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITYTO WALK BACK HIS COMMENTS, TO

EXPRESS REGRET OVERMISREPRESENTING THE SITUATION OF

SAYING SOMETHING INELEGANTLY?

OF COURSE NOT.

AND YOU KNOW WHY HE'S NOTWALKING THEM BACK?

BECAUSE WALKING IS FOR LOSERS.

(LAUGHTER)

WINNERS GLIDE.

USUALLY DOWN ESCALATORS, INTOMALLS.

(LAUGHTER)

>> OF COURSE, THEY'RE CRIMINALSIN MANY CASES.

WHY WOULD I CHANGE THATSTATEMENT?

SOME ARE GOOD, RAPIST, SOMEARE KILLERS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A SMALLPERCENTAGE.

I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUTMEXIO, TALKING ABOUT ALL OVER

THE WORLD, THEY'RE COMINGTHROUGH SOUTHERN BORED.

I'M NOT KNOCKING ANYBODY.

IF I WERE DOING MEXICO, WOULD BESEDTING THE KILLERS, DRUG

DEALERS, RAPISTS --

>> Jon:IT'S AN INTERESTINGGLIMPSE INTO THE POLICIES OF

A POSSIBLE TRUMP PRESIDENCY.

I WOULD DEFINTELY AND LAWLESSLYPUT ALL OF MY COUNTRY'S CIMINAL

RAPISTS ON A BUS AND SEND THEMTO THE NEXT CLOSET COUNTRY TO

THE NORTH.

I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, SUCKON THAT, CANADA.

(LAUGHTER)

NOW, I KNOW IT'S A FOOL'S ERRANDTO TRY AND DISPROVE THE RAVINGS

OF A MAD MAN, BUT ACCORDINGTOA STUDY IN A PEER REVIEWED

JOURNAL CRIMINOLOGY, THERE'SNO CORRELATION BETWEEN INCREASED

IMMIGRATION OF ANY KIND ANDINCREASED RAPES OR VIOLENT

CRIME.

APPARENTLY HURTING AND KILLINGIS ONE OF THOSE JOBS AMERICANS

ARE STILL VERY WILLING TO DOTHEMSELVES.

DONALD, CAN YOU POINT TOANYTHING THAT BACKS UP YOUR

STATEMENT?

>> THIS WAS AN ARTICLE BYFUSION.

SOMEBODY SAID FUSION'S OWNED BYUNIVISION.

THIS ONE SAYS 80% OF CENTRALAMERICAN WOMEN AND GIRLS ARE

RAPED CROSSING INTO THE UNITEDSTATES.

>> THAT'S ABOUT WOMEN BEINGRAPED.

IT'S NOT ABOUT CRIMINALS COMINGACROSS THE BORDER OR ENTERING

THE COUNTRY.

>> WELL, SOMEBODY'S DOING THERAPING, DON.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: TOUCHE.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE OUR CAMPAIGNSLOGAN FROM 2016 -- SOMEBODY'S

DOING THE RAPING...

(APPLAUSE)

IT IS HARD TO GET MAD AT DONALDTRUMP FOR SAYING STUPID THINGS,

IN THE SAME WAY YOU DON'T GETMAD AT A MONKEY WHEN HE THROWS

POOP AT YOU AT THE ZOO.

IT'S A MONKEY.

IT'S WHAT THEY DO.

IN SOME WAYS IT'S ON YOU FORWATCHING.

WHAT DOES GET ME ANGRY IS THERIDICULOUS, DISINGENUOUS

DEFENDING OF THE POOP-THROWINGMONKEY.

>> YA KNOW, A LOT OF POLITICIANSWOULD HAVE APOLOGIZED BY NOW AND

SAID, WELL, THIS IS WHAT IREALLY MEANT.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT HE MEANT,LARGELY.

HE SAID, YA KNOW, THERE --THERE'S A PROBLEM WHEN THE

SOUTHERN BORDER IS NOT SECURE.

>> Jon: NOBODY REALLYCANCELING BUSINESS WITH DONALD

TRUMP IF HE HAD SAID IN HISSPEECH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A

PROBLEM WHEN OUR SOUTHERNBORDERS ARE INSECURE.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

>> WHEN MEXICO SENDS ITS PEOPLE,THEY'RE NOT SENDING THEIR BEST.

THEY'RE RAPISTS.

AND SOME, I ASSUME, ARE GOODPEOPLE.

>> Jon: HE'S STILL NOT EVENSURE IF SOME ARE GOOD PEOPLE!

>> WELL, I THINK WHAT HAPPENSIS THAT -- THAT IT GETS

DISTORTED, PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT.

>> HE DIDN'T SAY MOST MEXICANSWERE RAPISTS.

HE SAID THEY ARE -- HE'SSPEAKING -- GENERALLY SPEAKING

OF THE CRIMINALS THAT ARE DOINGTHIS.

>> Jon: I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHATTHAT MEANS, BUT I KNOW THAT'S

NOT WHAT HE SAID!

LET ME PLAY THIS AGAIN AT ASPEED EVEN STEVE KING CAN

UNDERSTAND.

(PLAYING SLOWLY)>> THEY'RE RAPISTS.

AND SOME, I ASSUME, ARE GOODPEOPLE.

>> Jon: GET...

IT...

STEVE?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHATPEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT?

(APPLAUSE)

SO ARE WE SETTLED?

>> SHOULD HE APOLOGIZE FOR WHATHE SAID?

>> I DON'T THINK HE SHOULDAPOLOGIZE FOR SPEAKING OUT

AGAINST THE PROBLEM THAT ISILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

I RECOGNIZE THE P.C. WORLD, THEMAINSTREAM MEDIA DON'T WANT TO

ADMIT IT --

>> Jon: THAT IS SUCH BUZZWORD NOTHING (BLEEP).

IT DOES NOTHING -- WHO DOESN'TWANT TO ADMIT WHAT?

LET'S GET STRAIGHT WHAT DONALDTRUMP SAID, ONE LAST TIME.

ALL TOGETHER NOW, FOLLOW THECLASSY BALL.

>> THEY'RE BRINGING DRUGS...

THEY'RE BRINGING CRIME...

THEY'RE RAPISTS...

AND SOME, I ASSUME, ARE GOODPEOPLE.

♪♪(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: STOP PRETENDING HEDIDN'T SAY AND IS STICKING TO

WHAT HE SAID.

-- WHICH IS, MEXICO IS PURPOSELYSENDING US DRUGS, KILLERS AND

RAPISTS, AND WITHIN THAT GROUPTHERE MAY BE -- HE'S NOT SURE --

SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD.

THAT'S THE PART HE'S NOT SUREABOUT.

HE'S ONLY SURE ABOUT THEOVERWHELMING NUMBER OF KILLERS,

RAPIST AND DRUG ADDICTS MEXICOHAS SENT US.

THAT IS WHAT HE [BLEEP] SAID.

BUT, THE ONE GOOD THING TO COMEOUT OF THIS IS THE FARCE OF THIS

CANDIDACY IS FINALLY EXPOSED.

HIS UNSERIOUSNESS IS ON DISPLAYFOR ALL VOTERS TO SEE AND THE

RESULTS WILL BE OBVIOUS.

>> THE BILLIONAIRE HAS JUMPED TOSECOND PLACE AMONG REPUBLICANS

IN A RECENT NATIONAL POLL, ALSOPLACING SECOND IN THE FIRST TWO

CRITICAL BATTLE GROUNDERS OFIOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE.

>> Jon: (BLEEP) ME.

WE'LL BE BACK.

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK!

WHAT IS IN A NAME?

THAT BY WE WE CALL A ROSE BY ANYOTHER NAME WOULD STILL...

YOU KNOW?

GROW AND...

(LAUGHTER)

YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMESTO MOUNTAINS, IT'S TRICKIER, AS

JORDAN KLEPPER REPORTS.

>> P.C. CULTURE IS OUT OFCONTROL.

FIRST, THEY CAME FOR OUR TEAMNAMES AND I SAID NOTHING BECAUSE

I WASN'T A PROFESSIONAL SPORTSFRANCHISE, BUT NOW THEY'RE

COMING FOR OUR MOUNTAINS.

MT. McKINLEY NAMED AFTER OURBELOVED 25th PRESIDENT IS

UNDER ATTACK BY THE INDIGENOUSPEOPLE OF ALASKA.

>> THEY CALL IT MT. McKINLEYBUT HIS NAME SHOULDN'T BE

APPLIED TO THIS MOUNTAIN.

WE WANT IT TO BE DENALI.

>> ALL OVER ALASKA, PEOPLE ARELI KE EVON PETER, AN

ATHABASKAN CHEIF, ARE ADVOCATINGTO NAME THIS MOUNTAIN AFTER A

POPULAR SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE.

>> THIS IS OUR LANDS AND OURPEOPLE HAVE PUT A LOT OF VALUE

INTO THE NAME DENALI OF THEMOUNTAIN.

IT MEANS THE HIGH ONE OR THEGREAT ONE.

>> THIS MOUNTAIN HAS BEEN NAMEDAFTER McKINLEY SINCE 1896.

WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT REWRITE100 YEARS OF HISTORY?

>> 100 YEARS OF HISTORY IS LIKETHE BLINK OF AN EYE FOR MY

PEOPLE.

WE'VE BEEN HERE OVER 10,000YEARS.

>> 10,000?

REALLY?

(BLEEP).

BUT LUCKILY, PEOPLE WHO DON'TLIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE

MOUNTAINEN ARE ABLE TO STOP THEGEOGRAPHIC BOARD OF NAMES FROM

CONSIDERING THIS OUTRAGEOUSPROPOSAL.

AND PROUD OHIOANS LIKE KIM KENNYOF THE McKINLEY MUSEUM AND

LIBRARY THINK McKINLEY'SLEGACY IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR.

>> THE PEOPLE OF OHIO ARE VERYADAMANT THAT WE WANT THE NAME TO

STAY MT. McKINLEY.

HE HAD A LOT OF CONTRIBUTIONS TOOUR NATION AND DESERVES IT.

>> BECAUSE HE WAS THE FIRST ONETO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN.

>> HE DIDN'T CLIMB THE MOUNTAIN.

>> WAS THE FIRST AMERICANPRESIDENT TO SEE THE MOUNTAIN.

>> HE NEVER SAW THE MOUNTAIN.

>> HE DID SO MUCH FOR ALASKA.

>> ALASKA WAS NOT A STATE AT THETIME.

>> WHAT IS IT THAT HAS TO DOWITH OHIO?

>> WELL, IT'S OUR PRESIDENTWHOSE NAME IS ON A MOUNTAIN AND

HE WAS THE BEST PRESIDENT WHOCAME FROM OHIO.

>> ONE OF OUR GREATESTPRESIDENTS?

>> ABOVE AVERAGE PRESIDENT.

HE'S NOT ONE OF THE BESTPRESIDENTS BUT NOT THE WORST.

>> THAT COUNTS FOR SMRKS NOTBEING THE WORST.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> IT'S GOTTA HURT WHEN THECURATOR OF YOUR OWN MUSEUM

THINKS YOU'RE JUST ALL RIGHT.

BUT THE PEOPLE OF CANTON, OHIOWON'T STOP FIGHTING FOR THEIR

FAVORITE MEDIOCRE SON.

>> ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW A LOTABOUT HIM.

>> HE DONE ALL KIND OF THINGS.

HE VOTED FOR THE CONSTITUTION.

>> YOU DON'T LIKELY KNOW (BLEEP)ABOUT PRESIDENT McKINLEY, BUT

YOU DO KNOW YOU DEFINITELYSHOULDN'T CHANGE THE NAME OF THE

MOUNTAIN.

>> RIGHT. THEY SHOULDN'T CHANGEIT.

>> BUT AS HE SHOWED ME HISALASKA HOME, IT WAS CLEAR HE

NEED ADD LESSON IN THE GLORYTHAT IS OHIO.

>> THIS IS A LAND THAT PROVIDESA LIVING FOR OUR PEOPLE.

>> YOU SHOULD SEE CANTON, A GIFTSHOP, A PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF

FAME EVERYONE HAS TO SEE ONCE INTHEIR LIFE.

THE SPIRIT OF PRESIDENT McKINLEYWAS EVERYWHERE I LOOKED.

LOOK, A BIG DOG.

>> WE CALL THAT INJUCK.

A MOOSE AND BABY MOOSE.

ONE OF THE PRIMARY FOOD SOURCESOF OUR PEOPLE.

>> THAT'S NICE AND ALL, BUT DOYOU KNOW WHAT THAT MAKES ME

THINK OF?

McKINLEY HAD A PARROT NAMED"WASHINGTON POST," I THINK, THAT

SANG YANKEE DOODLE.

SO...

SADLY, HE STILL DIDN'T GET IT.

>> WHEN SOMEONE COMES HERE ANDTRIES TO RENAME IT, A PERSON

WHO'S NEVER BEEN TO ALASKA INTHE FIRST PLACE, IT'S A

DISRESPECT TO THE VALUE OF OURPEOPLE AND CULTURE.

>> BUT I'M SURE THE PEOPLE OFOHIO HAVE GOOD REASONS FOR

CONTINUING THE FIGHT.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE NAMEGOT CHANGED?

>> MAPS EVERYWHERE, GOT TOCHANGE GOOGLE.

IT'S A HASSLE TO CHANGE A NAME.

YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THENAME.

>> SORRY NATIVE ALASKANS, WECAN'T HONOR YOUR HERITAGE

BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A HASSLE.

>> YOU START UNNAMING A MOUNTAINAFTER A PRESIDENT, YOU FORGET

ALL ABOUT HIM AND IT'S A BADROAD TO GO DOWN.

>> WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUTATHABASKAN CULTURE?

>> NOT A THING.

>> IT'D BE GOOD IF THER WAS AWAY TO REMIND PEOPLE AND

HELP PEOPLE LEARN A LITTLE BITABOUT IT.

>> SURE.

>> RENAMING A MOUNTAIN ISHASSLE, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S A

SACRIFICE ALASKANS MUST MAKE.

EXPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE SEVENOTHER INSIGNIFICANT PRESIDENTS

FROM OHIO WE SHOULD HONOR.

YOU COULD JUST OHIO THE [BLEEP]OUTTA THIS PLACE.

I DUB THEE RUTHERFOD B. HAYESMOUNTAIN.

THAT LOOKS LIKE A WILLIAM HENRYHARRISON PEAK OVER THERE.

THAT'S A TAFT HILL IF I'VE EVERSEEN ONE.

>> THAT'S AN EAST COAST WAY OFTHINKING I GUESS.

>> THANK YOU.

THIS HAD TO BE PART OF OHIO'SCULTURE OVER A CENTURY.

I HAD TO SEE IT CLOSE BUT OFCOURSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLIMB

FOR (BLEEP).

♪ PRESIDENT McKINLEY ♪ PRESIDENT McKINLEY

♪ PRESIDENT McKINLEY ♪

THOSE ARE THE ACTUAL LYRICS TOTHAT SONG.

FINALLY, I WAS ON THE MOUNTAINTHAT REMINDED CANTON OF THEIR

BELOVED PRESIDENT.

HOY (BLEEP).

THIS PLACE HAS (BLEEP) TO DOWITH OHIO.

YOU KNOW, EVON PETER?

MAYBE YOUR PEOPLE HAVE BEENDISRESPECTED FOR LONG ENOUGH.

>> WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CHANGETHE TIDE AND HONOR THE PEOPLE OF

WHOSE LANDS WE LIVE ON.

THERE WAS, FROM THE GET-GO,RESISTANCE FROM OHIO.

>> YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE DICKS.

TRUST ME.

I GREW UP IN MICHIGAN.

>> THAT'S NOT MY CALL, NOT MINE.

>> I STAND BY IT.

PEOPLE FROM OHIO ARE DICKS.

SO LEGISLATORS FROM OHIO, I HAVEONE MORE MESSAGE FOR YOU.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: JORDAN KLEPPER. WE'LL BERIGHT BACK

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK!

MY GUEST TONIGHT, BESTSELLINGAUTHOR, ONE OF MY FAVORITES.

ONE OF MY FAVORITES, HER BOOK ISCALLED "LAFAYETTE IN THE

SOMEWHAT UNITED STATES," PLEASEWELCOME BACK TO OUR PROGRAM,

SARAH VOWELL!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

♪♪

I MISSED YOU!

>> I KNOW.

>> Jon: I'M SO DELIGHTED YOUCOULD COME JOIN US.

>> I'M GLAD I COULD BE HERE ATYOUR DEATH BED, TOO.

JUST LIKE PRESIDENT GARFIELD OFOHIO.

>> Jon: IT IS SIMILAR.

NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK -- DOESMcKINLEY DESERVE AN ALASKA

MOUNTAIN?

THEN YOU'RE JUST THROWINGMOUNTAINS AROUND TO EVERYBODY.

>> I MEAN, WELL -- DO WE REALLYWANT TO TALK ABOUT McKINLEY?

I MEAN, WHO DOESN'T, RIGHT?

>> Jon: I DO WANNA TALK ABOUTLAFYETTE BECAUSE I'M FASCINATED-

>> I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUTHIM BECAUSE OF THE NEWS OVER THE

CONFEDERATE FLAG.

YOU KNOW THE CIVIL WAR, THEPEOPLE IN THE UNION AND THE

PRESIDENT AT THE TIME, A LOT OFONES ON THAT SIDE WERE

REPUBLICANS.

>> Jon: YES.

>> AND THEN A LOT OF PEOPLETHESE DAYS WHO WANT TO KEEP THE

CONFEDERATE FLAG ON THEIR STUPIDSTATE LAWNS, SOME OF THEM ARE

REPUBLICANS.

YOU SAY WHAT HAPPENED?

IT WAS PRESIDENT McKINLEY, HEHAD A GUY LIKE MARK HANNA --

>> Jon: THE ANIMATER?

>> HE'S LIKE HIS KARL ROVE.

HE HAS A NICE TOMB IN CLEVELAND,IF YOU'RE IN TOWN.

>> Jon: OKAY.

>> AND HE DECIDED, IT WAS IN THE1890s, AND HE DECIDED THERE ARE

ALL THESE WHITE GUYS DOWN SOUTHWHO CAN VOTE, WE SHOULD GET THEM

TO VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICANS.

AND SO HE SENT McKINLEY DOWNSOUTH AND McKINLEY GAVE SPEECHES

ABOUT HOW -- McKINLEY, A CIVILWAR VETERAN, GAVE SPEECHES

ABOUT HOW THE CIVIL WAR WASABOUT AMERICAN VALOR.

AND THAT'S HOW THEY STARTED --

>> Jon: THAT'S THE SOUTHERNSTRATEDY.

>> THAT'S WHY THEY STARTEDCOURTING --

>> Jon: WHY DIDN'T THAT TAKEHOLD UNTIL GEORGE WALLACE AND

THE DIXIECRATS?

>> WELL, IT TOOK A WHILEBECAUSE THE GUY STILL REMEMBERED

BEING SHOT AT.

>> Jon: SO THEY STILL DON'TTRUST THE DEMOCRATS, THEY WERE

SHOOTING AT US.

>> IT WAS A LONG PROCESS, BUT IFEEL THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THE

END.

>> Jon: THEY SOMEWHAT WERE.

LET'S GO BACK FURTHER NOW TO THEBEGINNING OF THIS GRAND

EXPERIEMENT AND LAFAYETTE.

>> LET'S RUIN EVERYONE'S FOURTHOF JULY.

>> Jon: LET'S NOT.

(LAUGHTER)

LET'S ENLIGHTEN THE WORLD FROMYOUR PERSPECTIVE WHY LAFAYETTE,

WHAT IS SO VALUABLE ABOUT HIMAND HOW DID A CHILD -- HE WAS A

CHILD.

>> HE WAS 19.

>> Jon: A CHILD!

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: WHEN HE CAME TOBASICALLY DEFEND AMERICA.

WHY DID HE DO THAT?

>> ONE REASON, THE BRITISH HADKILLED HIS DAD IN A WAR, SO HE

HAD A GRUDGE...

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: THIS SEEMS TO BE A THEMETHROUGHOUT HISTORY.

>> HE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROMHIS INLAWS --

(LAUGHTER)

AND HE BELIEVED INENLIGHTENMENT IDEALS OF

FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.

>> Jon: SO DID LAFAYETTE THENHAVE TO CONVINCE THE KING OF

FRANCE, WHY DON'T WE GETINVOLVED IN THIS, WHICH COULD

EXPOSE IT INTO A GLOBAL WAR?

>> RIGHT.

HE WAS IN ON IT.

THERE WERE SOME MINISTERSWORKING FOR THE KING OF FRANCE.

THE PRIME MINISTER VERGIN WASON OUR SIDE --

>> Jon: SURE, VERGIN, WHO WASTREMENDOUS.

>> I THINK OF YOU AS MY VERGIN.

>> Jon: I WAS GONNA SAY, YOUTINK OF ME AS YOUR PRIME

MINISTER OF VERGIN --

WHO ULTIMATELY ENDEDUP GETTING THE KING KILLED.

>> I MEAN, WELL --

BECAUSE HE SPENT HIS MONEYHELPING US, THEN THEY WENT

BANKRUPT AND THE PEASANTS WENT,LIKE, I'M HUNGRY!

(LAUGHTER)

THE FOUNDING FATHERS HADA PROBLEM WITH TAXATION WITHOUT

REPRESENTATION, IN GENERAL,BUT THEY WERE PRETTY OPEN MINDED

ABOUT THE FRENCH KING TAXINGTHE FRENCH PEOPLE --

>> Jon: WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: THAT IS AN IRONY INEVER PICKED UP ON BUT YOU'RE

ABSOLUTELY --

>> SOMEBODY SHOULD WRITE ABOOK ABOUT IT.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: I HOPE THEY DO SOON!

VERY SOON!

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: SO LAFAYETTE COMESHERE, HE WANTS GLORY.

WITHOUT LAFAYETTE, IN TRUTH, YOUHAVE TO BE HONEST HERE, WITHOUT

LAFAYETTE, THERE IS NO UNITEDSTATES OF AMERICA.

WE DON'T DEFEAT THE BRITISH.

>> WELL, HE'S PRETTY IMPORTANT.

HE'S THINKING, I'M GOING TO GOHELP THESE POOR PEOPLE WHO

BELEIVE IN LIBERTY.

AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEMWATNED TO STAY IN GREAT

BRITTAIN, AND SOME OF THEMWANTED TO FIRE GEORGE

WATSHINGTON.

WE WERE ALWAYS A BUNCH OFBICKERERS.

>> Jon: SOYOU'RE NOT SUPRISED BYTHE TENOR IN THE COUNTRY NOW

AND THE ARGUMENTS IN THECOUNTRY -- YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED

AND THIS HAS BEEN PART OF OURDNA FROM THE GET-GO.

>> FOR SURE AND IT'S OURSTRENGTH AND OUR WEAKNESS.

>> WELL, THERE IS THIS MOMENTWHERE THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS,

ONE GUY SAID, WE SHOULD HAVEA FAST DAY TO -- THEY DON'T EAT

TO HUMBLE THEMSELVES BEFORETHEIR GOD.

>> Jon: YEAH, JEWS DO THAT.

>> AND JEFFERSON WAS, LIKE, YOUKNOW THAT SEEMS A LITTLE

RELIGIOUS...

(LAUGHTER)

AND THEN JOHN ADAMS STANDS UPAND HE'S LIKE, "JEFFERSON!

I THOUGHT YOU WERE A MAN OFPIETY AND VIRTUE!

AND NOW THIS!"

AND RIGHT AT THE MOMENT, ADAMSIS, LIKE, JEFFERSON IS MY

FRIEND, MAYBE I OFFENDED HIM ATTHAT MOMENT.

AND JEFFERSON GOT UP OUT OF HISCHAIR AND HE WENT OVER AND HE

JUST SAT NEXT TO HIS FRIEND JOHNADAMS.

(LAUGHTER)

SO, LIKE, WE CAN FIGHT AND WECAN DISAGREE BUT WE CAN STILL

SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: "LAFAYETTE AND THESOMEWHAT UNITED STATES"

THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL MESSAGE TOEND THIS ON.

ONE OF MY FAVORITE AUTHORS OFALL TIME.

"LAFAYETTE AND THESOMEWHAT UNITED STATES"

IT'S ON THE BOOKSHELVES INOCTOBER!

SARAH VOWELL!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)♪♪

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> CONSUMERS SHOULD NOT BELOOKING OVER ANY FIREWORKS.

THESE ARE DESIGNED TO BE LIT BYPROFESSIONALS, PUTS CONSUMERS

FAR AWAY, ENJOYING THEM IN THESKY.

>> AND SO THAT'S A KEY, EVENWHEN YOU HAVE LEGAL FIREWORKS.

NEVER STAND OVER THEM.

>> ABSOLUTELY, THERE'S NO GOODREASON TO LOOK OVER A FIREWORK.

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