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January 27, 2015 - Jill Leovy

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The media fixates on Winter Storm Juno's impact on New York City, a drone crashes into the White House, and journalist Jill Leovy discusses her book "Ghettoside." (21:28)

>> Jon: WELCOME TO "THE DAILYSHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

GUEST TONIGHT JILL LEOVY ISGOING TO BE ON THE SHOW.

SHE IS THE AUTHOR OF"GHETTOSIDE."

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR GREATCITY STILL STANDS!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )TONIGHT, WE ARE MOIST BUT

UNBOWED.

SURVIVING THE ONLY STORY THATMATTERED, THE ONE THAT HAPPENED

IN OUR REGION--BLIZZAPOCALYPSEGEDDON 15, THE

WHITE-ERDAMMERUNG.

IT ALL BEGAN YESTERDAY WHENELECTED OFFICIALS GOT NEWS THEY

HOPED THEY WOULD NEVER HEAR-- ITWAS GOING TO SNOW.

( LAUGHTER )IN THE NORTHEAST, IN JANUARY.

OH, THE HUMANITY.

>> WHITEOUT.

>> BLIZZARD 2015.

>> THREATENING STORM.

>> FEROCIOUS BLIZZARD.

>> EPIC, HISTORIC, RECORDBREAKING.

SNOWMAGEDDON.

>> Jon: LIKE THE CAPRICIOUSGODDESS WHOSE NAME IS BEARES,

WINTERO STORM JUNEAU WILL TURNOR NATION'S CHILDREN INTO

HORRIFIC LIVING SNOWE MEN WHOSEONLY KNOWN CURE IS AN IMMEDIATE

INFUSION OF SOUP.

( LAUGHTER )BUT OF COURSE, NO WARNING OF

DIRE WEATHER-RELATED EMERGENCYWOULD BE COMPLETE WITHOUT

CHARISMATIC SIGN LANGUAGEINTERPRETERS VYING FOR THE TITLE

OF "BEST SILENT MAYORAL HYPEMAN."

AND IN THAT CONTEST, THERE WAS ACLEAR WINNER.

>> NEW YORKERS SHOULD NOT YOUWANT ESTIMATE THIS STORM.

ASSUME CONDITIONS WILL BEUNSAFE.

( LAUGHTER )>> Jon: THAT IS NEW YORK

SIGN LANGUAGE.

I DON'T READ SIGN LANGUAGE, BUTI'M PRETTY SURE HE'S GOING "SUCK

MY ( BLEEP ) JUNEAU.

YOU BRING THAT ( BLEEP ) SNOW.

AND I WILL ( BLEEP ) YOU UP.

DO YOU HEAR ME?

PLOW ME?

NO, PLOW YOU, ( BLEEP )!

BOOM!

( APPLAUSE )THAT GUY IS AWESOME.

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING-- NOTA BAD FREEZE FRAME ON THE TAPE.

( LAUGHTER )THAT GUY NAILED IT.

AND THEN THERE WERE SOME OTHERGUYS, DE BLASIO-TYPE GUY, HE WAS

THERE TOO, PREPPING FOR THEIMMINENT ICE DEATH OF THE

EASTERN SEABOARD.

>> MR. MAYOR, I WANT TO SEEK ACLARITY ON THE 11 P.M. RULE.

THERE WERE A FEW FOLKS ON SOCIALMEDIA WONDERING ABOUT FOOD

DELIVERY BICYCLES WHETHER THEYMIGHT BE ALLOWED OUT.

>> A FOOD DELIVERY BICYCLE ISNOT AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE.

( LAUGHTER ).

>> Jon: BULL ( BLEEP ).

NOT AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE!

SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEONE'SNEVER BEEN STONED AT MIDNIGHT

WITH NO READY SOURCE OF CRACKRANGOON.

HEY, GUY, ( BLEEP ) NEW YORK'SSIGNATURE DISH, SOMETHING IN A

BAG THAT'S STAPLED.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

HEY, I NEED FOOD.

NOT THE TRAVEL PRESENTS THE ONLYDANGER.

THE WEATHER CHANNEL SHOWED USTHE WILY SNOW CAN ATTACK YOU,

EVEN IN YOUR OWN HOME.

>> SNOW OVER THIS ENTIRE ROOFWOULD WEIGH 150,000 POUNDS.

THE WEIGHT ABOVE THIS ROOMALONE, THE EQUIVALENT OF THREE

FULL-SIZED GRAND PIANOS.

THAT'S ENOUGH WEIGHT TO HAVE THEROOF CAVE IN.

YOU GET TWO FEET OF SNOW UPTHERE, AND IT'S THE EQUIVALENT

OF NINE HEAVY-DUTY PICKUP TRUCKSON TOP OF THE ROOF.

AND WHEN THAT AMOUNT OF SNOWSTARTS TO SLIDE, IT CAN EASILY

DAMAGE OR DESTROY ANYTHING INITS PATH.

( LAUGHTER )>> Jon: WHY DO THEY PARK ON

THE ROOF!

WHEN DID THE WEATHER CHANNEL GETMICHAEL BAY TO DIRECT ITS

VIDEOS?

SURE, I'M BEST KNOWN FOR MYFILMS ON THE DANGERS OF FIGHTING

SPACE ROBOTS, BUT MY REALPASSION IS SEASONAL

PRECIPITATION SAFETY.

( LAUGHTER )CLEARLY, THE STORM OF THE

CENTURY WAS ON OUR HANDS WITHENOUGH SNOW TO CRUSH US IN OUR

BED!

AND, SURE, WHILE A LOT OF NEWENGLAND DID GET HORRIBLY HIT,

NEW YORK CITY-- THE PLACE WHEREALL THE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS

LIVE-- DID NOT GET HIT THATHARD.

( LAUGHTER )LEAVING THE NETWORKS WITH SOME

TOUGH CHOICES.

ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CONDITIONS HAVECHANGED, EASE UP ON THE

BREATHLESS HYPE, FOCUS YOURATTENTION ON NEW ENGLAND, WHERE

IT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY SNOWING,OR DESPERATELY CLING TO THE

ORIGINAL NARRATIVE.

>> YOU CAN SEE THIS ROAD.

THIS IS A SIDE ROAD FROM THEBRIDGEPORT PORT JEFFERSON FERRY

TERMINAL.

THIS IS GETTING SNOW COVERED.

>> WE'RE SEEING AN INTENSE SNOWBAND MOVE THROUGH THE NEW YORK

CITY AREA NOW.

>> I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU AN IDEAOF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

ALL THIS WIND-- HERE'S SOMESNOW.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT GO UP.

CHECK THAT OUT.

( LAUGHTER ) ( APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: BEHOLD!

GRAVITY!

COME ON, GUYS.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BESNOWPOCALYPSE.

YOU HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN THIS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO SLIDE DOWNTHIS HILL REAL QUICK.

THERE WAS THIS PARKING LOT WASCOMPLETELY, COMPLETELY FULL, AND

NOW IT IS COMPLETELY EMPTY.

( LAUGHTER ) ( APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: SO A PARKING LOTTHAT WAS ONCE FULL OVER TIME

BECAME EMPTY.

AND YET, SOMEWHERE ELSE ONEWOULD IMAGINE A PARKING LOT THAT

WAS ONCE EMPTY HAS BECOME FULL.

( LAUGHTER )AS THE CIRCLE OF PARKING-- AND

WHILE WEATHER REPORTERS BEARINGWITNESS TO A STORM'S POWER HAS

BECOME A BIT OF A CLICHE, THECONSTANTLY EVOLVING INNOVATIVE

INDUSTRY HAS ONCE AGAIN UPPEDTHEIR GAME.

I GIVE YOU ANCHOR IN A CAR.

>> GOOD EVENING FROM THESNOW-BOUND AND EERILY QUIET

STREETS OF NEW YORK CITY IT, IAM CHRIS HAYES.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE OUT AND ABOUTIN NEW YORK, WHERE VERY FEW

OTHERS ARE.

( LAUGHTER )>> Jon: YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW

GOOGLE STREET VIEW, RIGHT?

THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SHOCK,DON'T YOU THINK?

GOOGLE STREET VIEW, IF I TALKEDWHILE IT WAS GOING ON?

( LAUGHTER )BUT AS ALWAYS, WHEN THERE IS

INNOVATION IN THE FIELD OF NEWSGATHERING, WE LOOK TO CNN FOR

ITS WORST ITERATION.

>> I'M DON LEMON IN THEBLIZZARDMOBILE, SEEN IN THE

BLIZZARDMOBILE AND WE'RE OUTSHOWING WHAT HAPPENED IN

MANHATTAN LIVE AS IT HAPPENED.

>> Jon: BLIZZARDMOBILE?

SETTLE DOWN, BATMAN.

IT'S A FORD EXPLORER.

AND BY THE WAY, WITH THE WAYYOU'VE BEEN REPORTING LATELY,

YOU'RE LUCKY YOU'RE NOT IN ANACTUAL BLIZZARDMOBILE.

( LAUGHTER ) ( APPLAUSE )

I GOTTA SAY-- I'M A LITTLECONFUSED.

UPON WHAT IS IT THAT YOU GUYSHAVE BEEN TELLING EVERYBODY IN

THE NEW YORK FOR THE PAST 12HOURS?

>> DRIVING CONDITIONS WILL TURNEVEN MORE DANGEROUS AS THE NIGHT

GOES ON.

>> PEOPLE BEING TOLD TO STAY OFFTHE ROADS.

>> REALLY ICY CONDITIONS.

>> ALL NON-EMERGENCY VEHICLESARE SUPPOSED TO BE OFF THE

STREETS.

>> Jon: SO EITHER DON LEMONAND THE BLIZZARDMOBILE DON'T

WATCH THEIR OWN NETWORK, OR HETHINKS ALL IT TAKES TO UPGRADE A

VEHICLE TO EMERGENCY STATUS ISGIVE IT A NAME ENDING IN

"MOBILE."

IT'S ONE THING FOR THE REPORTERSTO STAND OUTSIDE LIKE AN IDIOT

TO SHOW US IT WAS COLD.

THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE IN WHENTHEY PUT ON THE BRANDED PONCHO

AND IF THEY GET HURT, THEY GETHURT.

BUHOW DOES IT FEEL GETTINGBEHIND THE WHEEL OF AN S.U.V.

PUTTING OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK.

>> I'M DON LEMON, THE BREAKSNEWS HERE ON CNN, THE BLIZZARD

OF 2015.

IT IS BATTERING THE CITY OF NEWYORK.

>> Jon: REALLY, BATTERING?

( LAUGHTER )YOUR WINDSHIELD WIPERS ARE SET

TO INTERMITTENT.

( LAUGHTER ) ( APPLAUSE )

ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO TELLUS THAT'S SO IMPORTANT IT'S

WORTH SLIDING ON A PATCH OFBLACK ICE INTO A COUPLE OF

PEDESTRIANS?

>> ROBERT KRAFT SPOKE AT A PRESSCONFERENCE TODAY IN ARIZONA.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUTDEFLATE-GATE, RIGHT?

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEPATRIOTS, AND THE FOOTBALL.

>> Jon: SO YOU'RE DOING THEWHOLE ( BLEEP ) SHOW FROM THE

CAR!

THE CAR YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TOBE IN DRIVING AROUND, BUT YOU'RE

DRIVING ON IT ANYWAY?

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUTDEFLATE-GATE.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN DOING THEWEATHER.

NO.

WHERE IS THAT SIGN LANGUAGE GUY?

( LAUGHTER )ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, NOW THEY SEE

THIS IN ACTION-- YOU KNOW WHAT,NO, I'M SORRY.

THIS IS MY BAD.

THIS IDEA HAS POTENTIAL.

>> WATCH OUT, CNN, THERE'S A NEWRIDE IN TOWN.

WHEN THE MAN TELLS NONEMERGENCYVEHICLES TO STAY OFF THE ROAD,

WE'RE ON IT, IN A VEHICLE.

LET'S HEAR FROM THE MAN ON THESTREET.

HARD-HITTING.

NEWS.

AND IT'S NOT JUST WEATHER.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER STUFF,TOO.

>> THINGS IN YEMEN ARE SPIRALINGOUT OF CONTROL.

♪ YOU KNOW I'M ALL ABOUT THAT ♪>> DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO

STOP IT FOR JUST INSIDE CARS.

FOR MORE ON THIS HISTORIC GREEKELECTION, WE TURN TO EUROZONE

EXPERT, GREG BERGA.

>> THIS IS A MAJOR SHIFT INPOWER.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TOFALL OFF.

OFF.

THIS IS MY LANE.

STAY IN YOUR LANE!

STAY IN YOUR LANE!

>> THE NEWS-->> ISIS IS CLAIMING

RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ATTACK-->> DAMN IT!

TIME-OUT!

RIGHT NOW.

WHERE?

WHO KNOWS?

MORE ON THIS AND THE 360 PANEL.

PANEL, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

J.K. POSSIBLE 360.

BUCKLE UP.

IT'S GOING TO GET BUMPY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Jon: WE'LL BE RIGHT

BACK.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

AFTER THAT FIRST ONE, I'M JUSTGLAD WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP

TALKING ABOUT THINGS FALLINGFROM THE SKY.

>> BREAKING NEWS, A SECURITYBREACH AT THE WHITE HOUSE.

OVERNIGHT, A DRONE LANDS ON THEWHITE HOUSE LAWN.

>> Jon: OH, FOR GOD'S SAKE.

ANOTHER WHUS SECURITY BREECHBREACH.

LET'S GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THESECURITY BREACH.

WHODUNIT?

>> YOU DON'T KNOW IF THIS ISSOME 14-YEAR-OLD KID WHO GOT A

DRONE OR SOME AL QAEDASYMPATHIZER WANTING TO SEND A

MESSAGE?

>> Jon: OF COURSE THERE ISNOTHING IN BETWEEN.

THIS IS EITHER A 14-YEAR-OLDHOOLIGAN OR A JIHADIST DOOMSDAY

MASTERMIND.

( LAUGHTER )DON'T WORRY, PEOPLE,

EVERYTHING'S ALL RIGHT.

>> THE SECRET SERVICE RESPONDEDTO IT AND DETERMINED THE DEVICE

DIDN'T POSE A THREAT.

>> OF COURSE IT DIDN'T POSE ATHREAT.

DRONES LOVE OBAMA.

HE'S LIKE A ONE-MAN DRONEEMPLOYMENT PROGRAM.

HERE'S MY GUESS THAT DRONE MYJUST HAVE WANTED TO SLIPs

RESUME UNDER OBAMA'S DOOR.

( LAUGHTER )HOW ABOUT ME?

SO WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?

>> THE DRONE CRASHED ON TO THESOUTH LAWN TODAY AROUND 3:00

A.M.

>> Jon: THAT'S WEIRD.

WHO FLIES A DRONE ON TO THEWHITE HOUSE LAWN AT 3:00 IN THE

MORNING?

>> THE SECRET SERVICE SAYS THEOPERATOR, A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE,

CALLED TO TURN HIMSELF IN AFTERTHE INCIDENT.

HE SAYS HE WAS JUST USING IT FORRECREATIONAL PURPOSES AND LOST

CONTROL.

( LAUGHTER )>> Jon: KIDS, LET THIS BE A

LESSOP.

YOU'RE DRONING THE 3:00 P.M.,YOU'VE GOT A HOBBY.

IF YOU'RE DRONE AT 3:00 A.M.,YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM.

SURE, YOU TELL PEOPLE IT'SRECREATIONAL.

THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU'REBLOWING A GUY BETWEEN A 7-ELEVEN

FOR A COUPLE OF A.A. BATTERIES.

EVERYBODY OVERDOES IT ON THEDRONE SOMETIMES AS LONG AS

YOU'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE.

>> THE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE WHOWAS OPERATING THE DRONE TOLD

SECRET SERVICE INVESTIGATORS HEHAD BEEN DRINKING.

>> Jon: NO ( BLEEP )!

THAT'S WHY BEFORE I GO OUT, IALWAYS DESIGNATE A DRONER.

( LAUGHTER )FRIENDS, DON'T LET FRIENDS DRONE

DRUNK.

( LAUGHTER )THE MORE YOU KNOW.

BUT IN THE END, AT LEAST WE KNOWTHAT THIS WAS A HARMLESS

CIVILIAN SNAFU.

LETTING US ALL SIT BACK, RELAX,AND LAUGH, AT WOLF BLITZER'S

PLAN TO SECURE 1600 PENNSYLVANIAAVENUE.

>> THERE ARE NO REAL AIR DEFENSESYSTEMS AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE

THAT CAN FIND A SMALL DRONE ANDBLOW IT OUT OF THE SKY INNESS

ADVANCE OF ITS COMING IN, ISTHERE?

THE ISRAELIS HAVE AN IRON DOMETHEY USE IF A ROCKET COMES IN,

LET'S SAY, THEY CAN INTERCEPTTHAT ROCKET IF IT'S GOING INTO A

POPULATED AREA.

>> IT WILL PROBABLY WORK FINEEXCEPT YOU HAVE THE EXPLOSIVE

DEBRIS-- IT WOULD ALL BE FALLINGON PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

>> Jon: THAT'S A GREATIDEA, WOLF, IT'S A GOOD IDEA, IT

WOULD WORK BUT THEN, OBVIOUSLY,IN A CROWDED CIVILIAN AREA, YOU

DON'T WANT FIRE RAINING DOWNFROM THE SKY.

( LAUGHTER )I GOTTA TELL YOU, BETWEEN THIS

AND THE BLIZZARDMOBILE, CNN'SSLOGAN SHOULD BE, "CNN-- GET OUT

OF THE WAY!"WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, SHE IS AREPORTER FOR THE "LOS ANGELES

TIMES."

HER BOOK IS CALLED "GHETTOCIDE"A TRUE STORY OF MURDER IN

AMERICA."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAMJILL LEOVY.

JILL.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

HOW ARE YOU?

>> FINE.

>> Jon: THANK YOU FORBRAVING THE ELEMENTS COME IN

FROM SUNNY LOS ANGELES.

"GHETTOCIDE" A TRUE STORY OFMURDER IN AMERICA."

THIS IS INCREDIBLY GRIPPING,SORT OF TRUE CRIME STORY.

WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO WRITEABOUT-- ABOUT THIS CASE, THIS

MURDER?

>> WELL, HOMICIDE IS NOT EVENLYDISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT AMERICAN

SOCIETY, RIGHT.

IN FACT, IT'S VERY, VERYCONCENTRATED.

IT PILES UP AMONG SMALL GROUPSOF PEOPLE IN LITTLE ENCLAVES,

CHIEFLY AMONG BLACK MEN INAMERICA.

>> Jon: IN CITIES.

>> IN CITIES, AND ACTUALLYTHROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

THEY ARE THE GROUP WHO DIESMOST.

THEY ARE NUMBER ONE CRIMEVICTIMS.

THEY ARE 6% OF THE POPULATION,SOMETHING LIKE 40% OF MURDER

VICTIMS.

AND THIS GOES BACK AND BACK ANDBACK.

IT-- IT TRANSLATES TO THOUSANDSOF DEATHS A YEAR, DESTROYED

FAMILIES.

WE HAVE THIS MIRACULOUS CRIMEDROP.

THAT DISPROPORTION IS STILL WITHUS.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT OURNEWSPAPER ARTICLE IN THE "LOS

ANGELES TIMES" THIS MORNING.

LOS ANGELES HAS MIRACULOUSLY LOWCRIME RATES.

260 MURDERS A YEAR, 112 OF THOSEWERE BLACK PEOPLE IN A CITY

THAT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN 8%BLACK, MAYBE 9.

>> Jon: SO WHAT IS-- THISCASE, YOU HAVE A DETECTIVE HERE,

THIS SKAGGS FELLA.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, SO IN THE BOOKI TELL THE STORY OF ONE

DETECTIVE WHO WORKS IN WATTS,KIND OF A BACKWATER STATION

HOUSE IN A MIDDLING JOB.

HE'S A SURFER.

HE'S AN EXTREME PERFECTIONIST.

HE'S A VERY HYPERACTIVE PERSON.

I WAS EMBEDDED AND I WOULDSHADOW THESE DETECTIVES AND HE

WOULD LOOK AT ME ASKANCE IF ICAME IN AT 7:00 A.M. BECAUSE --

>> BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE ASLACKER.

>> A SLACKER.

HE GOT UP AT 3:00.

HE DIDN'T BELIEVE IN LUNCHBREAKS.

AND HE BROUGHT THIS KIND OFARTISAN'S SENSE I BELIEVE TO THE

GHETTOSIDE, IF YOU WILL, BLACKON BLACK, THAT WEREN'T GET,

PUBLIC ATTENTION OR MUCHATTENTION.

>> Jon: AND HE'SRELENTLESS.

>> AND HE'S RELENTLESS.

THE BOOK CHRONICLES OF CASE OFHIS CAREER AND IT'S THE CASE OF

HIS CAREER NOT BECAUSE IT'S ABIG MEDIA CASE OR A CELEBRITY

CASE BUT THE YOUNG BLACK MAN WHOWAS MURDERED IS THE SON OF A

COLLEAGUE, A HIGHLY RESPECTEDHOMICIDE DETECTIVE.

AND SO THE CASE IS AT FIRSTUNSOLVED.

IT KIND OF LANGUISHES.

THEY BRING SKAGGS IN, AND THEBOOK GOES IN WITH HIM AND

WATCHES HIM KIND OF MOMENT BYMOMENT AS HE INVESTIGATES THIS

CASE.

AND THE IDEA IS TO THROUGH HIMAND THROUGH THIS CASE TELL THIS

WIDER STORY.

>> Jon: SO THAT'S WHAT'S SOINTERESTING TO ME.

YOU GET TO THIS POINT, IT'SALMOST AN ANOMALY HOW MUCH

EFFORT IS PUT INTO SOLVING THISCASE.

IS PART OF THE ISSUE, THEN,ABOUT THESE CRIMES IN THESE

COMMUNITIES NOT THAT PEOPLEAREN'T WORKING HARD TO TRY TO

SOLVE THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOTGETTING THE ATTENTION AND THAT--

>> THE ATTENTION -->> COULD THAT DO SOMETHING--

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THINKINGABOUT THIS A LOT WITH THE

QUESTIONS I'VE BEEN GETTING ONTHE BOOK ABOUT WHO THE POLICE

ARE.

THE POLICE ARE AN EXTENSIONOFs YOU.

THEY ARE-- WHAT THEY DO REFLECTSOUR POLITICAL PRIORITIES.

AND I THINK WE SOMETIMES FORGETTHAT.

AND SO IF EVERYTHING WE LOOK ATIN POLICE DEPARTMENTS IS-- A

VITAL FUNCTION, IF YOU ASK ME--SOLVING KILLINGS, CATCHING

MURDERERS, AND SECONDARILY,ASSAILANTS WHO DON'T QUITE KILL

THEIR VICTIMS BUT ATTACK THEM,THEN THE FUNCTION IS GOING TO

LANGUISH.

THEY DEALT WITH A LOT OFIMPEDIMENTS.

THEY USED TO TAKE MY NOTEBOOKS-- NOT INTENTIONALLY.

THEY SAW THEM LYING AROUND.

BUT THEY WERE THAT SHORT OFOFFICE SUPPLIES THAT WHEN THE

EMBEDDED REPORTER CAME IN ANDPUT-- I WAS PARTICULAR OF MY

REPORTER'S NOTEBOOKS -- PUT THEMON THE DESK AND TURNED MY BACK--

>> Jon: THE COPS WOULD TAKEYOUR NOTEBOOKS.

>> THEY NEEDED PAPER ANDPENCILES, THEY NEEDED THEM.

>> Jon: AND YOU PROBABLYTHOUGHT TO YOURSELF, YOU KNOW

WHO I SHOULD CALL?

NOBODY THERE TO DO THAT.

>> IT'S JUST A SMALL EXAMPLE OFWHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

>> Jon: NO, THEY'RE UPAGAINST THESE TREMENDOUS

IMPEDIMENTS.

THE DICHOTOMY, IT SEEMS, IN THEHIGHER CRIME AREAS WHERE THE

FOCUS OF THE NARKTSZ PUBLICITYIS NOT ON THESE TERRIBLE

TRAGEDIES, YOU HAVE COMMUNITIESTHAT NEED MORE POLICING BUT THE

RIGHT TYPE OF POLICING, BECAUSETHEN THERE'S ALSO THAT TENSION

BETWEEN WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDEREDOVER-POLICING OR POLICE

BRUTALITY, OR-- SO NOW YOU HAVETHIS BALANCE THAT HAS TO PLAY

OUT.

>> IT CAN SEEM LIKE A PARADOX.

BUT I THINK ABOUT QUALITY VERSUSQUANTITY, AND THE WAY I DIVIDE

IT UP IN MY BOOK SITALK ABOUTTHE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

VENTIVE POLICING AND, YOU KNOW--AN L.A.P.D. COMMANDER SAID THIS

TO ME-- WHY SHOULD WE WORRYABOUT DETECTIVE WORK IT'S

REACTIVE.

WE DON'T REALLY LIKE THE WORD"REACTIVE.

>> Jon: THE BROKEN WITHINIS PROACTIVE.

>> I DON'T BUY IT.

INSTEAD OF REACTIVE, LET'S USE."LET'S RESPOND TO THE ACTS THAT

HUMAN BEINGS COMMIT AS OPPOSEDTO IMAGINING WHAT THEY MIGHT DO

BEFORE THEY'VE DONE IT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> IF THIS -->> UNLESS YOU'RE A FREE COG IN A

MINORITY REPORT AND THEN YOU LIEIN A POOL OF A LIQUID BISCUIT

AND COME UP WITH STUFF.

>> WE DON'T WANT ROBOTS TO DOLAW ENFORCEMENT.

WE DON'T WANT A DATA PROCESSORTO DO LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> Jon: I TOTALLY WANT AROBOT TO DO LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE KIND OFCOOL.

>> I THINK WE WANT HUMAN COPS.

>> Jon: YES.

>> HUMAN WITNESSES.

>> Jon: YES.

>> HUMAN JURIES.

THIS IS A HUMAN ENTERPRISE.

IT IS OUR CONVERSATION.

IT IS OUR CONSTITUTIONALDEMOCRACY.

AND IT SHOULD ALL START ON WHATPEOPLE DO.

>> Jon: IT'S A FASCINATINGSTORY.

AND WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT ITIS THE STORY IS INCREDIBLY

SPECIFIC, BUT BY ITSSPECIFICITY, SPEAKS TO THIS MUCH

LARGER ISSUE.

SO IT'S A REALLY, REALLYGRIPPING AND WELL DONE.

"GHETTOSIDE."

IT'S ON THE BOOKSHELVES NOW.

JILL LEOVY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

HERE IT IS YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> WE HAVE 16-MILE-PER-HOURGUSTS IN STONYBROOK.

THIS IS JUST DOWN THE STREETFROM PORT JEFFERSON.

I'M EVERYBODY IS HAVING A GREATTIME OUT HERE, OBVIOUSLY.

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