September 11, 2014 - Tavis Smiley

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President Obama delivers a speech about ISIS, Jordan Klepper becomes an Obamacare critic, and Tavis Smiley discusses his book "Death of a King." 

>> Jon: WELCOME TO THE DAILYSHOW. MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

WE'VE GOT A GOOD SHOW FOR YOUTONIGHT. MY GUEST, MY GUEST

TONIGHT WILL BE TAVIS SMILEY.HE'S WRITTEN A NEW BOOK,

"DEATH OF A KING." IT'SFANTASTIC.

BUT FIRST, WE TURN TO ISIS.

THE TERRORIST INSURGENT GROUPSLASH ROGUE NATION, SLASH

ALL-AROUND LIVING NIGHTMARE,SLASH-NILE RIVER MUD OSIRIS

PENIS RECONSTITUTER. YES, ISIS.DIFFERENT ISIS. THAT ISIS.

SHE REMADE HER HUSBAND, NILERIVER MUD PENIS FIRST.

I'M JUST REPORTING WHAT I KNOW!

YOU KNOW, OUR PRESIDENT HASSPENT THE PAST FEW WEEKS WORKING

ON A STRATEGY FOR DEALING WITHTHE ISIS TERRORISTS, TO REPLACE

OUR PREVIOUS STRATEGY OF... NOTHAVING A STRATEGY.

NOW TYPICALLY THE PRESIDENT HASBEEN QUITE MEASURED WHEN IT

COMES TO MILITARY FORCE.

>> WHY IS IT THAT EVERYBODY'S SOEAGER TO USE MILITARY FORCE?

THE ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO SYRIAIS NOT SIMPLY A MILITARY ISSUE.

WE CAN NOT USE FORCE EVERYWHERETHAT A RADICAL IDEOLOGY TAKES

ROOT. WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TOBE ABLE TO DO IS TO

PLAY WHACK-A-MOLE AND CHASEWHEREVER EXTREMISTS APPEAR.

>> Jon: LET ME TELL YOUSOMETHING ABOUT EXTREMIST

WHACK-A-MOLE. IT MAY BE MY LEASTFAVORITE WHACK-A-MOLE.

EVEN IF YOU WHACK EVERYEXTREMIST, WHAT DO YOU WIN?

ENOUGH TICKETS FOR A SLAPBRACELET?

THAT HARDLY SEEMS, HARDLY SEEMSA PROPER RETURN ON $3 TRILLION.

THE REPUBLICANS, OF COURSE, DOHAVE A STRATEGY.

>> IF I'M THE PRESIDENT, I'MGONNA SAY LOOK, I'M GONNA KILL

EVERY ONE OF THESE BASTARDS.

>> KILL EVERY ONE OF THESES.O.B.s.

>> BOMB THEM BACK TO THE STONEAGE.

>> WHACK THOSE SUCKERS.

>> POUND THEM AND POUND THEM.

>> BLOW THEM TO SMITHEREENS.

>> SCORCH THE EARTH.

>> WIPE THEM OUT ALL OF THEM.

>> Jon: NOW THAT LAST ONE, THATWAS UNFAIR TO USE THAT LAST ONE.

MR. CHENEY IS NO LONGER INOFFICE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHTTO PUT HIM UP THERE.

THE POINT IS, WE APPEAR TO BE ATA CROSSROADS BETWIXT THE

NUANCED VISION OF ANON-OMNIPOTENT AMERICA

PROJECTING POWER SELECTIVELY ANDSOME SORT OF WEIRD ALL POWERFUL

TARENTINO AMERICA THAT CLEANSESTHE WORLD OF SIN THROUGH SLOW

MOTION BLOOD BATHS.

LAST NIGHT BARACK OBAMA BROKEOUT HIS I KILLED BIN LADEN STRUT

TO DELIVER THE VERDICT!

>> FIRST, WE WILL CONDUCT ASYSTEMATIC CAMPAIGN OF

AIRSTRIKES AGAINST THESETERRORISTS.

WE WILL HUNT DOWN TERRORISTS WHOTHREATEN OUR COUNTRY WHEREVER

THEY ARE.

IF YOU THREATEN AMERICA, YOUWILL FIND NO SAFE HAVEN.

OUR OBJECTIVE IS CLEAR.

WE WILL DEGRADE AND ULTIMATELYDESTROY I.S.I.L.

>> Jon: WE HAVE OUR ANSWER.

(APPLAUSE)ALL RIGHT, WELL, LAST NIGHT,

LAST NIGHT OUR MOM JEANS-WEARINGSOCIALIST MUSLIM DICTATOR TYRANT

PACIFIST WENT FULLAMERICA (BLEEP) YEAH!

>> ABROAD, AMERICAN LEADERSHIPIS THE ONE CONSTANT IN AN

UNCERTAIN WORLD. IT IS AMERICATHAT HAS THE CAPACITY AND THE

WILL TO MOBILIZE THEWORLD AGAINST TERRORISTS.

BUT AS AMERICANS, WE WELCOME OURRESPONSIBILITY TO LEAD.

THE STRATEGY OF TAKING OUTTERRORISTS WHO THREATEN US WHILE

SUPPORTING PARTNERS ON THE FRONTLINES IS ONE THAT WE HAVE

SUCCESSFULLY PURSUED IN YEMENAND SOMALIA FOR YEARS.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU

WANT TO CITE A SUCCESSFULANTI-TERRORIST STRATEGY THAT WE

HAVE BEEN PURSUING -- FOR YEARS!

(LAUGHTER)IT'S LIKE PEPE LE PEW CITING

HIS SUCCESSFUL SEDUCTIONSTRATEGY OF RELENTLESS

UNCONSUMMATED CAT STALKING. SOWHAT HAS CAUSED THE

PRESIDENT TO CITE THE SUCCESSOF HIS CONTAINMENT STRATEGY IN

SOMALIA AND YEMEN AS EVIDENCE TOSUPPPORT HIS NEW DEGRADE AND

DESTROY STRATEGY AGAINST ISIS?

>> ACCORDING TO A RECENT POLL,91% OF THOSE ASKED BELIEVED THE

ISLAMIC STATE GROUP IS A THREATTO THE UNITED STATES.

>> 65% SUPPORT AIRSTRIKESIN SYRIA.

>> Jon: 65% SUPPORTAIRSTRIKES IN SYRIA.

AND HERE'S A CUTE FACT. THAT'S AFULL 15 PERCENTAGE POINTS

MORE THAN THE PERCENTAGE OFAMERICANS WHO CAN CORRECTLY

IDENTIFY SYRIA ON A MAP.

(APPLAUSE)OH, ISN'T THAT NICE?

HEY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?(BLEEP) IT.

IF I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS,IT'S PROBABLY NOT WORTH KEEPING.

(LAUGHTER)IF THAT COUNTRY WAS SO GREAT,

WOULDN'T I BE ABLE TO POINT TOIT?

C'MON!

(LAUGHTER)SO IT SEEMS PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS

SURRENDERED, WHICH MEANS WE'REGOING TO WAR.

BUT ISIS ISN'T JUST OUR PROBLEM,IT'S THE WORLD'S PROBLEM,

SO WHO'S WITH US?

>> THE CORE COALITION OF TENCOUNTRIES

INCLUDING CANADA, BRITAIN,FRANCE, GERMANY, ITALY, POLAND,

DENMARK AND AUSTRALIA.

>> Jon: I'M GOING TO NEED TOSEE THIS ON THE BIG BOARD.

AHHH! OKAY.

THAT LOOKS AWFUL CHRISTIAN-Y.

IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF ACRUSADE-Y VIBE.

I HESTITATE TO ASK THIS, BUT CANA BROTHER GET AN OTTOMAN UP IN

THIS BITCH?

>> BUT ONLY OFFICIALLY INCLUDESONE MUSLIM NATION, TURKEY.

>> Jon: YES! WE ONLY NEEDEDONE, BABY! COVER SUPPLIED.

>> ANY SUGGESTION THAT TURKEY ISWELL ON BOARD FOR ANY SORT OF

MILITARY ACTION MAY BE APROBLEM FOR TURKEY.

>> Jon: BYE TURKEY. WE CAN'TGO TO WAR AGAINST A

MUSLIM GROUP WITHOUT A MUSLIMALLY.

NOW WE'RE JUST THE GROUP OFGROWN MEN AT THE ONE DIRECTION

CONCERT WITHOUT ANY KIDS. IMEAN, WE'RE THERE FOR THE RIGHT

REASON, WE LOVE THE MUSIC, BUTTHAT'S NOT WHAT EVERYONE ELSE

THINKS. EVERYONE ELSE THINKSCREEP ALERT. BOOP BOOP.

YOU KNOW, I AM SEEING KIND OF ALARGE NOT LIT UP

AREA IN THE REGION RIGHTAROUND WHERE I

GUESS YOU WOULD CALL WHERE THEPROBLEM IS.

CAN WE NOT GET SOME PARTNERSFROM THOSE ISLAMIC COUNTRIES, A

GROUP OF THEM, PERHAPS A KINDOF A MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD?

>> IRAN IS AT PRESENT THE ONLYREGIONAL COUNTRY HERE THAT HAS

ACTUALLY BEEN ACTIVE IN HELPINGTHE IRAQI MILITARY AND

GOVERNMENT ON THE GROUND.

>> Jon: IRAN.

THAT'S ALL WE GOT, IRAN.

THE COUNTRY WHOSE MAIN FUELSOURCE IS STILL THE BURNING OF

OUR FLAGS. IRAN, THAT IRAN.

AND OBVIOUSLY THEIR HUGEFIELDS OF OIL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT APPEARS TO METHAT TO ATTACK SUNNI EXTREMISTS

BY JOINING THE WESTERN WORLDWITH THE BIG DOG OF THE

SHIITE WORLD MIGHT BE LITTLEWEIRD.

AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, INTHIS AREA OF NOTHING HAPPENING

AND NOBODY JOINING, THE UNITEDSTATES HAS SUPPLIED THAT AREA

WITH BILLIONS IN WEAPONSTECHNOLOGY AND MILITARY TRAINING

-- SO, FELLERS --

>> THERE IS AN AGREEMENT FROM

THE SAUDIS TODAY THAT THEY WILLCREATE BASES OR PERMIT THE FREE

SYRIAN ARMY TO TRAIN ANDAMERICANS WILL BE TRAINING THEM.

>> Jon: OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH!

SO WHILE AMERICA FIGHTS THEGROUP THAT WANTS TO TAKE THE

SAUDIS DOWN, THE SAUDIS ARELETTING US CRASH ON THEIR COUCH!

THANKS!

THANKS FOR MAKING YOURSELFAVAILABLE ON AIRSTRIKE BNB.

OH, YOU'RE SO GREAT!

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?

ONCE AGAIN -- SAUDIS!(APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: ONCE AGAIN, IN OUREXCITEMENT TO EXPORT AMERICAN

BOOMOCRACY, WE MAY BE FORGETINGA VERY IMPORTANT LESSON.

>> WE CAN'T ERASE EVERY TRACE OFEVIL FROM THE WORLD.

>> Jon: DON'T TELL ME!

TELL YOU!

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ANNIVERSARYTODAY. THE ATTACK OF 13 YEARS

AGO TODAY WAS PLANNED BY FOURDICKHEADS IN A THREE-BEDROOM

APARTMENT IN HAMBURG. PROBABLYCOULD HAVE BEEN A TWO-BEDROOM,

BUT THEY WANTED A HOME OFFICE.

THERE IS NO WAY TO MILITARILYELLIMINATE ENOUGH SPACE TO

KEEP SOME TERRORISTS FROMOPERATING AGAINST US.

SO UNTIL THIS PART OF THE WORLDDECIDES THAT IT IRKS THEM THAT

THE BELIEF SYSTEM THEY HOLDSACRED IS MISREPRESENTED TO

JUSTIFY A PERPETUAL VIOLENCEMACHINE, UNTIL IT STARTS TO SEE

PAST SECTARIAN LINES ANDNATIONAL BORDERS THAT -- OKAY,

WE DREW, WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT --THE UNITED STATES CAN'T FIX IT

BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE FIXED BYWAVING A MAGIC BOMB -- NOT THAT

WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE INDEVELOPMENT.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK!

OBAMACARE. YOU KNOW, OBAMACARE.

WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THESUFFERING THAT IT WOULD BRING.

SO NOW THAT'S IT'S HERE, WEWOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO'S

SUFFERING. JORDANKLEPPER REPORTS.

>> FOR YEARS, TELEVISION PUNDITSHAVE BEEN DOING IMPORTANT WORK

SOUNDING THE ALARM ABOUTOBAMACARE.

>> WE'RE GOING TO BE SIX TOTEN MONTHS FROM NOW IN A MASSIVE

FISCAL CRISIS.

>> C'MON!

YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.

>> OBAMACARE LITERALLY MAYKILL YOU.

>> GOOD, KEEP GOING.

>> THE WORST THING THAT HASHAPPENED IN THIS NATION SINCE

SLAVERY.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKINGABOUT.

AND NOW THAT THE LAW IS HERE ANDIN EFFECT LET'S SEE WHAT THIS

(BLEEP) STORM HAS BROUGHT.

>> EVERY DAY THE EXPERIENCE WITHOBAMACARE IS IMPROVING.

>> THE LAW WILL COST $5 BILLIONLESS THAN PROJECTED.

>> WE HAVE THE LOWESTMONTHLY UNINSURED RATE THAT WE

HAVE EVER HAD.

>> EVEN BETTER NEWS, PREMIUMSARE LOWER THAN EXPECTED.

>> STOP!

STOP!

THAT'S NOT LIKE SLAVERY AT ALL.EVIDENTLY THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS

WITH THE PROBLEMS WITH OBAMACARE

AND NOW ONLY 36% OF AMERICANSSUPPORT REPEAL.

TO GET AMERICA TO FALL BACK INHATE WITH THE LAW, I NEED HELP.

I SAT DOWN WITH OBAMACARE CRITICBETSY DEATH PANEL McCOY.

IT'S BEEN A TOUGH ROAD FOR THECRITICS OF THIS LAW.

IF PEOPLE AREN'T BEHINDREPEALING THIS, HOW ARE WE

GOING TO GET THEM ON OUR SIDE?

>> I'M GOING TO JUST TURN THISOFF FOR A SECOND.

>> BUT SHE WAS TOO UPSET TO TALKABOUT IT -- I GUESS.

SO IT WAS UP TO ME TO FIND A NEWDOOMS-DAY DIAGNOSIS TO STOP

OBAMACARE

NURSE JANET RUNBACK.

>> I LOST MY JOB AS A DIRECTRESULT OF OBAMACARE.

>> YES, OBAMACARE WILLMURDER YOUR JOB.

THAT IS GOLD.

NURSE'S JOB KILLED TO DEATH BYOBAMACARE.

CAN YOU LOOK TO THAT CAMERA ANDTELL ME JUST HOW HEART BROKEN

YOU ARE.

>> I AM SO THRILLED TO HAVE LOSTTHAT JOB.

>> WAIT, YOU'RE HAPPY ABOUTLOSING YOUR JOB?

>> I RAN A FREE CLINIC AND AJANITOR'S LUNCHROOM,

OBAMACARE CAME ALONG AND MYPATIENTS WERE FOR THE FIRST TIME

ABLE TO GET INSURANCE TO TAKECARE OF THEIR HEALTHCARE NEEDS.

>> (BLEEP) IT.

I CAN SPIN THIS.

SICK PATIENTS TYRANICALLYREMOVED FROM A JANITOR'S

LUNCHROOM, TRAGICALLY RECEIVINGHEALTHCARE --

>> THERE IS NOTHING TRAGIC HERE.

NOBODY IS CALLING ME TO ASK FORFREE HEALTHCARE ANYMORE.

>> BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE.

>> BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE.

>> BUT I SAID THAT IN A NEGATIVEWAY.

YOU'RE SAYING IT IN A HAPPY WAY.

>> YES, I AM.

IT WORKS!

>> MAYBE A VISIT TO THE FORMERCLINIC/JANITOR'S LUNCHROOM WOULD

HELP THE TEARS FLOW.

JOINED BY THE FORMER MEDICALDIRECTOR DR. MARY, WE TOURED THE

STATE-OF-THE-ART MEDICALFACILITY EQUIPPED WITH ALL THE

DIRTY CUPS AND RANDOMTRASH PATIENTS COULD EVER NEED.

>> THIS IS WHERE OUR OPTOMETRISTAND OPHTHALMOLOGISTS WOULD DO

DIABETIC EYE CHECKS.

>> AND OBAMACARE HAS KICKEDPEOPLE OUT OF THIS ROOM

AND INTO FULLY STAFFEDHOSPITALS.

>> YES. GETTING SOMEONE'SDIABETES UNDER CONTROL CAN

PREVENT RENAL FAILURE ANDDIALYSIS IN KIDNEY TRANSPLANTS.

IT CAN PREVENT BLINDNESS, IT CANPREVENT MASSIVE INFECTIONS WITH

HOSPITALIZATIONS AND AMPUTATIONSAND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

>> HOW DOES THAT MATH WORK?

>> THOSE THINGS I JUST TALKEDABOUT, THE COMPLICATIONS COST A

LOT MORE THAN A MONTH'S WORTH OFINSULIN AND A FEW BLOOD TESTS.

>> WHATEVER, LADY.

I WAS AT LEAST GOING TO WALK OUTWITH A SAD GROUP HUG.

>> NO SAD HUGS.

WE'RE HAPPY.

>> VERY SATISFIED.

>> GIVE YOURSELF A HUG.

>> I'M DOING THAT, THANK YOU.

>> I'D HAD ENOUGH OF THEUNINFORMED OPINIONS OF

HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS.

TIME TO GO TO THE HORSE'S MOUTH.

THE FORMER PATIENTS OF THECLINIC WHO ARE NOW LIVING THE

NIGHTMARE THAT IS OBAMACARE.

>> RAISE YOUR HANDS IF YOU THINKOBAMACARE WILL DESTROY

AMERICA.

OKAY.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

DON'T RAISE YOUR HANDS IF YOUTHINK OBAMACARE WILL DESTROY

AMERICA.

>> WITH OBAMACARE, I'VE GOT AGREAT DOCTOR AND EVERYTHING

SEEMS TO BE WORKING IN MYDIRECTION NOW.

>> MY EXPERIENCES HAVE BEENEXCELLENT.

>> THEY WERE GIVING ME NOTHING.

OBVIOUSLY BIASED BY THEIRPERSONAL POSITIVE EXPERIENCES.

LITTLE CONSOLATION FOR JANETRUNBECK WHO REMAINS TRAGICALLY

JOBLESS. SO, YOU'RE PROBABLYSPENDING YOUR DAYS DOING

NOTHING NOW.

>> NO, ACTUALLY, I HAVE MOVEDON.

NOW I CAN GO ELSEWHERE AND DOOTHER THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED BY

OTHER PEOPLE.

I'M WORKING ON CAUSES SUCH ASHUMAN TRAFFICKING.

>> YOU MOVED ON TO HUMANTRAFFICKING?

OBAMACARE FORCES NURSE INTOSEX SLAVE TRADE.

THAT IS GREAT!

(LAUGHTER)>> THAT'S NOT EXACTLY RIGHT.

>> LUCKILY, TO BE ANOBAMACARE CRITIC...

THIS IS US, THIS IS OBAMACARE.

BEING RIGHT IS NOT A JOBREQUIREMENT.

>> Jon: JORDAN KLEPPER, WE'LLBE RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK! MY GUESTTONIGHT, HE IS THE HOST AND

MANAGING EDITOR OF "TRAVISSMILEY" ON PBS.

HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED "DEATHOF A KING: THE REAL STORY

OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KINGJR.'S FINAL YEAR."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM,TAVIS SMILEY! SIR!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)HOW ARE YOU?

>> I AM WELL, SIR.

HOW ARE YOU?

>> Jon: I AM DOING SO WELL. ANDTHANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> MY PLEASURE.

>> Jon: "DEATH OF A KING."

YOU'VE WRITTEN THIS BOOK.

NOW, IT'S COMING OUT NOW INSEPTEMBER.

NOW I WOULD THINK GENERALLY THEYWOULD SAY, LET'S GET THIS OUT

FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING'SBIRTHDAY, LET'S GET THIS OUT

MAYBE ON THE ANNIVERSARYOF HIS DEATH.

WHY SEPTEMBER?

>> I THINK, WHAT I SAID IN THEINTRODUCTION IS, I SAY HIS

MARTYRDOM HAS SOMEHOW MUFFLEDHIS MESSAGE.

SO IF YOU PUT THE BOOK OUT INJANUARY, IT GETS CONNECTED AND

CAUGHT UP WITH THE HOLIDAY.

YOU PUT IT OUT IN FEBRUARY HEGETS BLACKENIZED.

IF YOU PUT HIM IN FEBRUARY,AND HE'S MORE THAN JUST A

BLACK FIGURE IN THIS COUNTRY.

HE'S AN AMERICAN ICON AS FAR ASI'M CONCERNED.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND MAYBE EVEN AMERICA'SGREATEST DEMOCRATIC, SMALL D,

PUBLIC INTELLECTUAL.

I DIDN'T WANT TO GET HIMBLACKENNIZED IN FEBRUARY.

PUT HIM IN APRIL, PUT THE BOOKOUT IN APRIL WHEN HE'S

ASSASSINATED THEN YOU GETCAUGHT UP AGAIN IN THE

MARTYRDOM...>> Jon: MARTYRDOM, RIGHT.

>> YOU PUT IT OUT IN SEPTEMBER,HOPEFULLY YOU CAN HAVE A

CONVERSATION ABOUT THE LASTYEAR OF HIS LIFE AND THE

SACRIFICE THAT HE MADE.

>> Jon: SO YOU'RE LOOKING TOTAKE AN AMERICAN ICON AND

HUMANIZE HIM SO THAT THISCOUNTRY CAN HAVE A SERIOUS AND

REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ISSUESOF RACE AND MARTIN LUTHER KING.

WELL, THAT'S WHERE YOU WENTWRONG.

THAT'S WHERE YOU WENTWRONG. NOW I SEE THE PROBLEM.

(LAUGHTER)>> IMAGINE THAT...

>> Jon: IMAGINE THAT.>> A SERIOUS CONVERSATION.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: IT IS, I THINK IT'S

FASCINATING TO ME, YOU KNOW, ASSOMEONE WHO ALWAYS ADMIRED

DR. KING, WHO ALWAYS THOUGHTHE FOUGHT IT, THAT LAST YEAR OF

HIS LIFE, HE REALLY FELL UPONDIFFICULT TIMES FOR HIMSELF.

>> MM-HMM.

>> Jon: HE SEEMED TO HAVE LOSTTHAT DRIVE, IN A WAY.

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> WELL, I DON'T THINK HE LOSTTHE DRIVE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> I THINK THE COUNTRY DIDN'TWANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH HE WAS

TELLING BECAUSE THAT TRUTH, JON,MAY HAVE JUST BEEN TOO

SUBVERSIVE FOR THE NATION TOHANDLE. I THINK IT'S TRUE

WHETHER YOU'RE JON STEWART,TAVIS SMILEY OR ANYBODY IN THE

AUDIENCE OR WATCHING TONIGHT,WE COME TO KNOW WHO WE REALLY

ARE IN THE DARKEST AND MOSTDIFFICULT DAYS OF OUR LIVES.

SO IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW DR.KING AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE

JOURNEY OF THE LAST YEAR, HISSORT OF LAST MILE OF THE WAY,

THEN YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW HIMBECAUSE WHEN KING COMES OUT

AGAINST THE WAR IN VIETNAM ANDCALLS AMERICA THE GREATEST

PURVEYOR OF VIOLENCE IN THEWORLD TODAY. THIS IS A BLACK

MAN, EVEN WITH A NOBEL PEACEPRIZE, IN '67 TELLING AMERICA

YOU ARE THE GREATEST PURVEYOR OFVIOLENCE IN THE WORLD.

AND THEN HE TALKED ABOUT THATTRIPLE THREAT AS HE CALLED IT

OF RACISM, POVERTY ANDMILITARISM.

AND THEN HE STARTS ORGANIZINGA POOR PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN.

AND SO BASICALLY WHATHAPPENS IS THEY SAY TO HIM,

NEGRO, WE TOLD YOU YOU COULDTALK ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS

BUT YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT FOREIGNPOLICY. YOU DON'T TELL AMERICA

HOW TO SPEND ITS FEDERAL BUDGETDOLLARS.

BECAUSE KING WAS SAYING THATWAR IS THE ENEMY OF THE POOR.

THOSE BOMBS THAT YOU'RE DROPPINGOVER THERE ARE LANDING IN THE

GHETTOS AND BARIOS OF AMERICA,

SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE TELLSTHAT TRUTH?

THE WHITE HOUSE, JOHNSON TURNSON HIM THEY'D WORKED TOGETHER

ON VOTING AND CIVIL RIGHTS.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT NOW HE'S AGAINST THEVIETNAM WAR, AND JOHNSON DOESN'T

LIKE THAT. SO THE JOHNSON WHITEHOUSE TURNS ON HIM, THE MEDIA

TURNS ON HIM. WHEN YOU READYEARS LATER, YOU READ NOW IN

THIS BOOK WHAT THE "NEW YORKTIMES," THE LIBERAL "NEW YORK

TIMES," THE LIBERAL "WASHINGTONPOST," "TIME MAGAZINE"

SAID ABOUT HIM IT'SEMBARRASSING.

AND THE BLACK MEDIA TURNED ONHIM.

SO, THE WHITE HOUSE TURNSON HIM, THE MEDIA TURNS ON HIM,

AND THEN WHITE AMERICA TURNS ONHIM.

SO THE LAST POLL TAKEN IN HISLIFE FINDS...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THE HARRIS POLL, 75% OFAMERICANS THOUGHT HE WAS

IRRELEVANT IN THE LAST YEAR OFHIS LIFE.

BUT HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT.

ALMOST 60% OF BLACK FOLK THOUGHTDR. KING WAS PERSONA NON GRATA.

HE COULDN'T GET HIS OWNORGANIZATION SUPPORTING

ON THE POOR PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN.

SO THIS IS A STORY OF MARTINLUTHER KING WE DON'T KNOW. WHY?

BECAUSE WE DEIFIED HIM IN DEATH,BUT WE DEMONIZED HIM IN LIFE.

AND THIS STORY ABOUT KING, WEAIN'T COMES TO TERMS WITH YET.

(APPLAUSE)>> Jon: WOW. I'M SORRY. I'M

JUST GONNA, IF I MAY... SORRY,I'M JUST GONNA END THE

INTERVIEW NOW AND GO READ THIS.

(APPLAUSE)THERE IS NO END TO THIS TYPE OF

TRUTH BEING TOLD TO AMERICA THATWE DON'T WANT TO HEAR AND, SO,

THE CYCLE CONTINUES.>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Jon: THAT AT SOME LEVEL, TOASK US TO FACE THE REALITY OF

OUR PAST AND OUR HISTORY, WHILESTILL MAINTAINING ALL THAT YOU

BELIEVE IS GOOD AND ENDURINGABOUT THIS COUNTRY,

YOU WILL BE VILIFIED.

>> INDEED.

>> Jon: AND THE SAME GOES FORTODAY AND ALL THAT HE HAD DONE

WAS WASHED AWAY IN THOSESTATEMENTS.

>> WE SANG A SONG IN MY CHURCH,AND I DON'T MEAN TO PROSELYTIZE,

BUT KING BEFORE HE WAS ANYTHINGWAS A MINISTER OF THE GOSPEL.

HE WAS THE REVEREND DR. KING.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND THERE'S A SONG WE SANG INMY CHURCH GROWING UP IN A LITTLE

SMALL TOWN IN INDIANA.

"MUST JESUS BEAR THE CROSS ALONEAND ALL THE WORLD GO FREE?

NO, THERE'S A CROSS FOR EVERYONEAND THERE'S A CROSS FOR ME."

EVEN IF YOU'RE ATHEIST ORAGNOSTIC YOU UNDERSTAND THE

POINT. WE ALL HAVE OURCROSS TO BEAR IN LIFE...

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> AND THE POINT IS THE MORE

TRUTH YOU TELL THE CLOSER YOUARE TO GETTING UP ON THE CROSS

BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DEALWITH PEOPLE WHO TELL US THE

TRUTH. SO THIS BOOK, I THINK,AND I HOPE AT LEAST IS A

CAUTIONARY TALE TO YOURBRINGING UP A POINT, JON.

A CAUTIONARY TALE FORAMERICA RIGHT NOW.

THERE ARE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, ISEE THEM ON YOUR SHOW EVERY

NIGHT, WHO ARE DOING THEIR BESTTO TELL US THE TRUTH ABOUT

AMERICA TODAY, AND WHAT WE'REDOING TO THE ENVIRONMENT, AND

WE'RE TURNING A DEAF EAR.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THE ISSUE OF POVERTY, WEDON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. THE DRONE

PROGRAM ON STEROIDS, WEDON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO THERE ARE PEOPLE WHOAGAINST ALL THE ODDS ARE TRYING

TO GET US TO DEAL WITHINCONVENIENT, UNSETTLING,

UNHOUSING TRUTHS EVEN RIGHT NOWTHAT WE DON'T WANT THE HEAR.

BUT KING'S LIFE POINTS OUT THERE

IS A PRICE TO PAY FOR IGNORINGSOCIETY'S TRUTH TELLERS.

>> Jon: WHY IS NOSTALGIA SUCHA POWERFUL ERASER OF THESE

REALITIES?>> BECAUSE IT'S SO...

>> Jon: WHY IS IT SO EASY TOERASE THE REAL HISTORY OF THIS?

>> GREAT QUESTION.

BECAUSE IT IS EASY TO CELEBRATEDEAD MARTYRS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT

HERE TO HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE.

THEY'RE NOT HERE TO PUT THETRUTH IN YOUR FACE.

>> Jon: WOULD HE HOLD USACCOUNTABLE FOR THE WAY THAT

WE'VE DEIFIED HIM?

>> ABSOLUTELY, HE WOULD. IF HEWERE HERE RIGHT NOW,

HE WOULD CERTAINLY CELEBRATEBARACK OBAMA, THE FIRST

AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT, BUTON THIS DAY, SEPTEMBER 11, WHEN

THE HEADLINE IN EVERY PAPER INTHIS COUNTRY IS WE'RE GOING TO

START THIS ALL OVER AGAIN -->> Jon: RIGHT.

>> START BOMBING AGAIN...>> Jon: RIGHT.

MY FRIEND, WILL YOU PLEASE STICKAROUND?

>> HAPPY TO DO IT.

>> Jon: WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BITMORE.

THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON NOW INTHE COUNTRY THAT I'D ALSO LIKE

TO GET TO BEYOND THAT.>> HAPPY TO DO IT.

>> Jon: "DEATH OF A KING"IS ON THE BOOKSHELVES NOW.

CHEF RECOMMEND.

TAVIS SMILEY, EVERYBODY.

(APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW!

JOIN US NEXT WEEK AT 11:00. HEREIT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> IS THE WAR OVER, COLONEL?

WAR IS NEVER OVER.

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