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January 29, 2015 - Sarah Chayes

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The Deflategate scandal rocks the NFL right before the Super Bowl, Jessica Williams investigates mixed-party dating, and Sarah Chayes discusses her book "Thieves of State." (21:26)

>> Jon: WELCOME TO "THE DAILYSHOW"!

MY NAME IS JON STEWART!

GREAT SHOW TONIGHT!

MY GUEST SARAH CHAYES, SHEIS THE AUTHOR OF "THIEVES OF

STATE," A BOOK ON CORRUPTION ANDGLOBAL SECURITY.

IT'S A TREMENDOUS BOOK.

BUT LET'S BEGIN WITH THIS COMINGSUNDAY,

APPARENTLY KATY PERRY IS HAVINGA CONCERT SUNDAY THAT WILL HAVE

SOME SORT OF ATHLETIC INTRO ANDOUTRO.

IT'S THE SUPER BOWL, THATSPECIAL TIME OF YEAR WHEN THE

WHOLE COUNTRY COMES TOGETHER TO

WATCH DOGS FALL IN LOVE WITHHORSES!

(LAUGHTER)IT'S A FORBIDDEN LOVE!

BUT A SHADOW HANGS OVER THISYEAR'S MATCHUP BETWEEN THE

SEATTLE SEAHAWKS AND THEPATRIOTS OF ENGLAND NOUVEAU.

>> THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS AREFIGHTING BACK AGAINST

ACCUSATIONS OFUNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT.

>> 11 OF THE 12 BALLS USED TOBEAT THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS WERE

INFLATED SIGNIFICANTLYBELOW LEAGUE REQUIREMENTS.

>> DEFLATEGATE.

>> BALLGHAZI!

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE

ARE THE APPROPRIATE NICKNAMESFOR SOMETHING THIS SERIOUS.

I'M GOING TO GO WITH THEBALLOCAUST.

FLAGRANT EQUIPMENT TAMPERING!

RAISING QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHERTHE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS'S 45 TO

7 BLOWOUT WIN OVER THE COLTS WASDUE TO CHEATING, AND WITHOUT

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE LIKE,YOU KNOW, 38-7.

OBVIOUSLY A DEFLATED BALL WOULDBE A LITTLE EASIER TO THROW AND

CATCH ESPECIALLY ININCLEMENT WEATHER.

THE PATRIOTS WERE QUICK TODENY THESE ACCUSATIONS.

COACH BILL BELICHICK BROUGHT THESCIENCE TO BACK IT UP.

>> WE ALL KNOW THAT AIR PRESSUREIS A FUNCTION OF THE ATMOSPHERIC

CONDITIONS.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: SCIENCE! YEAH!

I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE,THOUGH, BUT FOR ONLY ONE TEAM?

>> IT'S SIMILAR TO THE CONCEPTOF WHEN YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR

AND THE LIGHT COMES ON AND ITSAYS LOW TIRE PRESSURE BECAUSE

THE CAR'S BEEN SITTING IN THEDRIVEWAY OUTSIDE OVERNIGHT.

THE ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS ASWELL AS THE TRUE EQUILIBRIUM OF

THE BALL IS CRITICAL TO THEMEASUREMENT.

>> Jon: THIS CONCLUDES THEFIRST EPISODE OF PROFESSOR

BELICHICK'S MADEUP (BLEEP)SPORTS PHYSICS 101.

COME BACK NEXT WEEK! WE'LLTALK ABOUT HOW THE SPEED OF THE

EARTH'S CENTRIFUGAL FORCEAFFECTS THE SPECIFIC

GRAVITY OF COIN TOSSES, NOT THETWO-HEADED COIN WE HAVE.

(LAUGHTER)BUT IF COACH BILL BELICHICK IS

NOT THE CULPRIT, PERHAPS WE NEEDLOOK NO FURTHER THAN HIS

PADAWAN, LUKE SKY TOSSER, AKAHANDSOME MCGURK.

>> YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T ALTER THEBALL IN ANY WAY.

BEFORE EVERY GAME I GO IN ANDPICK THE BALLS THAT I WANT TO,

THE FOOTBALLS THAT I WANT TOUSE FOR THE GAME.

I DON'T WANT ANYONE TOUCHING THEBALLS AFTER THAT.

I DON'T WANT ANYONE RUBBINGTHEM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ANY AIR

IN THEM, TAKING ANY AIR OUT.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T

BE HIDING ONE UNDER MY HAT.

(LAUGHTER)I WOULDN'T WANT ANYONE PUTTING A

THIN ELECTROMAGNETIC CHIP ON THEBALL THAT'S SYNCED UP WITH THE

RECEIVER'S METALLIC HANDIMPLANTS EITHER OR A

PERHAPS TRAINING A HAMSTER TOLIVE INSIDE THE BALL

AND PILOT IT TOWARD MY STARRECEIVER CELERY HANDS JOHNSON.

C'MON!

A SUPERSTAR LIKE BRADY DOESN'TNEED TO CHEAT!

WHAT WOULD EVEN GIVE YOU THEIMPRESSION THAT HE LIKES TO USE

DEFLATED BALLS?

>> WHEN GRONK SCORES, IT WASLIKE HIS EIGHTH TOUCHDOWN OF THE

YEAR HE SPIKES THE BALL AND HEDEFLATES THE BALL WHICH I

LOVE THAT BECUASE, YOU KNOW, ILIKE THE DEFLATED BALL.

>> Jon: YOU BASTARD!

AND TO THINK WE TRUSTED YOU WITHONE OF OUR BRAZILIANIST MODELS.

BUT IF IT'S NOT BELICHICK ORBRADY AND IT'S BOTH, THEN HOW

DID ONLY THE PATRIOTS' BALLSBECOME DEFLATED?

>> THE PATRIOTS LOCKER ROOMATTENDANT IS SEEN ON

SURVEILLANCE VIDEO TAKINGPRE-INSPECTED FOOTBALLS INTO A

PRIVATE BATHROOM.

>> THE DEBATE OVER DEFLATEGATEMAY BOIL DOWN TO WHETHER YOU

BELIEVE A LOCKER ROOM ATTENDANTFOR THE PATRIOTS COULD

HAVE INTENTIONALLY DEFLATED 12FOOTBALLS IN LESS THAN

90 SECONDS IN THE LEASTLIKELY OF PLACES.

>> THE LEAST LIKELY OF PLACES?

IT'S A BATHROOM!

NOT MT. KILIMANJARO!

HE DEFLATED THEM INSIDE ASUMATRAN RHINO'S ANUS!

(LAUGHTER)WELL THERE YOU GO.

THERE'S EVIDENCE ON TAPE. ITWAS THE LOCKER ROOM ATTENDANT!

DRUNK ON HIS OWN POWER!

HIGH ON AUTHORITY!

ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTSABSOLUTELY.

FIRST, I'LL HAVE EACH ONE OFTHESE 53 FOOTBALL MEN THROW

THEIR SOILED UNIFORMS AT MEWITHOUT MAKING EYE CONTACT DAY

AFTER DAY AFTER DAY!

AND THEN I WILL ALTER THE VERYCOURSE OF THE GAME ON MY OWN FOR

NO EXTRA MONEY.

(LAUGHTER)BLAME ME!

NOW, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE VIDEOEVIDENCE BUT THIS BEING THE

N.F.L. MY GUESS IS THEY WON'TTRY TO FIND THE TAPE FOR SEVERAL

MONTHS.

PERHAPS, PERHAPS WE SHOULD TAKEA LOOK AT IT.

ALL RIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEPATRIOTS' ATTENDANT IS CARRYING

THE BALLS INTO WHAT APPEARS TOBE AN ELEVATOR.

EVERYTHING LOOKS FINE.

THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE HAVING AGOOD TIME.

OKAY, THE ELEVATOR'SGOING -- NOW THEY'RE EXITING.

WHERE'S THE BALL -- OH, MY GOD!

WHAT HAPPENED?

THOSE BALLS DO NOT APPEAR TO BEIN A PLAYABLE STATE.

THAT'S JUST AWFUL.

THE WORST PART IS EVEN WITH THETAPE YOU KNOW THIS IS JUST GOING

TO END WITH A PRESS CONFERENCEWHERE THE BALLS HAVE TO

APOLOGIZE FOR THEIR ROLE INBEING DEFLATED AND BRADY WALKS

AWAY SCOT-FREE.

>> OH, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, JOHN!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)DON'T, DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT MY

TOM BRADY LIKE THAT!

YOU NEW YORK CITY PIZZA STYLE(BLEEP)!

>> Jon: JOHN, SINCE WHEN ARE YOUA PATRIOTS FAN?

>> SINCE I WAS BORN INNEW ENGLAND.

>> Jon: YES.

>> CAN'T YOU HEAR MY WICKEDBOSTON ACCENT?

I PARKED MY CAR IN THE YARD ATHARVARD.

>> Jon: HARVARD YARD?

>> WHAT? NO, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.YARD.

>> YARD?>> YARRRD. YARRRD.

>> Jon: NEVERMIND. AS A DIEHARD PATRIOTS FAN,

WHY ARE YOU HOLDING WHAT APPEARSTO BE A BASEBALL BAT?

>> NO, WHAT ARE YOU TALKINGABOUT?

THIS IS MY FOOTBALL MALLET.

>> Jon: A MALLET? AS -- YOU KNOWWHAT, FORGET IT.

JOHN, ARE THOSE BY ANY CHANCELEG WARMERS OVER HOCKEY PANTS?

IS THAT --

>> YEAH, WHAT -- OKAY, JON,MAYBE I'M NOT A FOOTBALL EXPERT

LIKE YOU.

MAYBE I THINK IT'S A STUPID GAMEFOR DUMB PEOPLE.

BUT AS A BORN AND BREDBOSTONIAN, I KNOW THAT NO ONE

IS BETTER THAN TOM BRADY ATGRABBING A BALL AND PUSHING IT

ACROSS THE FOOTBALL TABLE INTOTHE SCORE SPACE!

GOOOOOOOOOAL!

>> Jon: THANK YOU VERY MUCH,JOHN.

>> GOOOOOOAL!>> Jon: GOAL.

>> OH, OH, JOHN. I AM GOING TOMISS "DOWNTON ABBEY."

I'VE GOT TO GO. BYE BYE.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT. TAKE CARE.JOHN HODGMAN EVERYBODY,

VERY NICE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

WELL, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE,DEFLATEGATE WAS ALL

THEY WERE TALKING ABOUTAT THE SUPER BOWL MEDIA DAY.

THAT IS, IF THEY WERE TALKING,

>> WELL, SEAHAWKS RUNNING BACKMARSHAWN LYNCH, NOT A BIG FAN OF

MEDIA DAY.

LYNCH SAT AT HIS PODIUM AND KEPTREPEATING THIS:

>> I'M HERE SO I WON'T GETFINED.

I'M HERE SO I WON'T GET FINED.

I'M JUST HERE SO I WON'T GETFINED.

>> SO HE SAID THAT 29 TIMES,AND THEN GOT UP AND LEFT AFTER

THE MANDATORY FOUR AND A HALFMINUTES.

>> Jon: POOR MARSHAWN LYNCH,HE'S MORE VINE THAN MAN NOW.

>> I'M HERE SO I WON'T GETFINED.

I'M HERE SO I WON'T GET FINED.

I'M HERE SO I WON'T GET FINED.

I'M HERE SO I WON'T GET FINED.

I'M HERE SO I WON'T GET FINED.

>> Jon: SEEMS LIKE A LONG WAYTO GO TO AVOID PAYING A FINE.

WHY EVEN BOTHER SHOWING UP TOMEDIA?

>> HE WAS REPORTEDLY LOOKINGAT A $500,000 FINE.

>> Jon: ARE YOU [BLEEP] KIDDINGME?

THAT'S MY COMPANY POURED DIOXININ A RIVER MONEY.

$500,000?

HOW IS IT THAT THIS GUY ISFACING INTERNATIONAL DRUG CARTEL

PENALTY MONEY BUT THE OWNERS ANDCOMMISSIONERS OF THE LEAGUE

HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO ADDRESSSTADIUM FINANCING SHENANIGANS

OR CONCUSSIONS OR DOMESTICVIOLENCE POLICIES.

PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS THESTUPIDEST ITERATION OF THE

NFL'S [BLEEP] UP PRIORITIES.

>> THE LEAGUE MAY PENALIZE LYNCHFOR WEARING HIS BEAST MODE HAT

THE LAST TWO DAYS.

IT'S AGAINST NFL RULES TOPROMOTE YOUR OWN BRAND OR BRANDS

THAT CONFLICT WITH LEAGUEPARTNERS DURING INTERVIEWS.

>> Jon: OH, YOU WILL GO TOTHAT INTERVIEW, MISTER, AND YOU

WILL WEAR AN APPROPRIATE HAT!

IS THIS THE N.F.L.?

AS THE PRINCIPAL IN THEBREAKFAST CLUB?

TWO FINES, LYNCH!

YOU WANT ANOTHER ONE?

YOU PUT ON THE BEAST MODE HAT,YOU GET THE HORNS!

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST CLASSICN.F.L. TO BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT

WHAT'S HAPPENING ON TOPOF THE PLAYER'S HEAD

THAN THE DAMAGE THAT'S GOINGON INSIDE IT.

IT EXPLAINS THEIR SLOGAN, THENATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE:

WORRYING ABOUT THE WRONG (BLEEP)SINCE 1920.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK!

NOW, TOLERANCE IS ALL WELL ANDGOOD.

WE ALL LOVE TOLERANCE.

BUT THERE IS AT LEAST ONE AREAWHERE AMERICANS DISCRIMINATE

BETTER THAN EVER.

JESSICA WILLIAMS REPORTS.

>> MEET DR. GENIE SAFER.

FOR DECADES SHE'S FELT THE CRUELSTING OF DISCRIMINATION.

>> I'M IN A MIXED MARRIAGE ANDTHIS DID NOT GO OVER SO WELL

WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND MYFRIENDS.

PEOPLE WERE SAYING, HOW CAN YOUDO THIS?

>> WOW, THIS IS MORE EMOTIONALTHAN I THOUGHT.

MAYBE IF WE COULD JUST GET SOMESADDER MUSIC, YOU GUYS.

THERE IT IS.

GO ON.

>> WELL, IT WAS NOT AN EASYTHING.

ONLY NOW ARE DR. SAFER ANDHER PARTNER WILLING TO TALK

ABOUT THEIR LIVING HELL.

WHO'S THAT GUY?

>> HE'S MY HUSBAND.

>> YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT YOUSAID YOU WERE IN A MIXED

MARRIAGE.

>> WELL, WE ARE.

>> I'M AN R.

>> YOU'RE AN R? YOU'RE ARUSSIAN?

>> REPUBLICAN.

I'M A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANAND SHE IS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.

>> OH, MY GOD...

THAT'S AWFUL.

IT'S THE WORST KIND OF MIXEDMARRIAGE.

FOR 34 YEARS AND COUNTING THESETRAITORS HAVE COMPLETELY TURNED

THEIR BACKS ON THEIR POLITICALPARTIES.

HOW COULD YOU GUYS BE THIS WAY!

HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?

HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR YOUR OWNCULTURE!

>> WELL, WE DO.

>> SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS EVEN TALKABOUT IN YOUR DAY-TO-DAY?

>> WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'REDOING.

>> YEAH, BUT HOW DO YOU TAKESIDES ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING?

>> I MEAN, THERE'S NO SIDE.

IT'S, LIKE, HOW'S IT GOING...

>> HOW'S IT GOING?

>> WELL YOU SEE, IT'S NOTREALLY ALL ABOUT TAKING SIDES.

>> OKAY, SEE THAT'S THE WRONGSIDE.

SOMEHOW, THEY NEVER LEARNED HOWDEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE

SUPPOSED TO INTERACT.

>> (ARGUING)

>> EMPLOYEES LOST THEIRINSURANCE --

>> OKAY, GUYS -->> I THINK MY SOLUTION IS --

>> I WANT TO KNOW, WHAT IS THEREPUBLICAN PARTY SOLUTION --

>> MY SOLUTION IS TO QUIT LYINGTO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

>> NO, NO, NO.

>> LUCKILY, THINGS ARE GETTINGBETTER.

TODAY MORE AND MORE PEOPLEUNDERSTAND YOU SHOULD ONLY

DATE WITHIN YOUR PARTY, LIKETHESE DEMOCRATS AND THESE

REPUBLICANS.

>> WOULD ANY OF YOU EVER DATE AREPUBLICAN?

>> NO.>> NO.

>> I WOULD NOT DATE AREPUBLICAN.

>> NO.>> NOT AT ALL.

>> I WOULD NEVER DATE ACOMMITTED DEMOCRAT, ONE WHO'S

THOUGHT ABOUT THE ISSUES ANDSAYS, YES, I AM A DEMOCRAT.

>> THANKFULLY, A THIRD OFDEMOCRATS AND NEARLY A HALF OF

REPUBLICANS THINK THERE'SSOMETHING WRONG WITH

MARRYING ACROSS PARTY LINES.

>> WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWN SIDEOF DATING A REPUBLICAN?

>> THE DOWN SIDE OF DATING AREPUBLICAN IS LIKE ON A FRIDAY

NIGHT, IF I WANT TO GO SEE"SELMA," AND THEY JUST WANT TO,

LIKE, STAY HOME AND WATCHYOUTUBE VIDEOS OF RONALD REAGAN

SPEECHES, I'M JUST NOT GOING TOBE DOWN WITH THAT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO DATEOUTSIDE OF YOUR OWN SPECIES.

>> RIGHT. LIKE I IMAGINE ITWOULD BE HARD TO DATE,

LIKE, A BIRD OR SOMETHING.

>> RIGHT.

>> BECAUSE IT'S, LIKE, I CAN'TDO ANYTHING.

>> RIGHT.

>> YEAH, YOU WOULD BE, LIKE,LET'S GO TO A MOVIE.

AND THE BIRD WOULD BE, LIKE,QUACK!

AND THERE'S ANOTHER REASON YOUDON'T WANT TO DATE

THE OTHER SIDE.

>> I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE TOOJUDGMENTAL.

>> I DON'T REALLY LISTEN TODEMOCRATS WHEN THEY SPEAK.

>> THEY'RE THE MOST JUDGMENTAL.

>> THEY ARE VERY OPEN MINDEDABOUT WHO THEY DATE WITHIN THEIR

OWN PARTY.

>> MY IDEAL MATE WOULD BE A TREEHUGGER.

>> MY IDEAL MATE SHOULD HAVETHREE GUNS.

>> ACCEPTING OF GAY PEOPLE.

>> DOESN'T COMPLAIN ABOUTMINIMUM-WAGE.

>> A SMALLER MORE ECONOMICALCAR.

>> AN ESCALADE OR A HUMMER.

>> OPEN-MINDED.

>> SMALL-TOWN VALUES.

>> HE WOULD HAVE, LIKE, MORETHAN ONE BLACK FRIEND,

HOPEFULLY.

>> WHAT'S LIKE A GOOD NUMBER OFBLACK FRIENDS THAT HE WOULD

HAVE?

>> EIGHT OR NINE.

>> SO AN ECLECTIC GROUP -- LIKEA MENAGERIE OF BLACK FRIENDS.

>> YEAH. I WOULD BE VERY COOLWITH THAT.

>> THESE GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT'STRULY IMPORTANT IN A

RELATIONSHIP, UNLIKEGENIE AND RICK.

>> WE'VE BOTH BEEN IN THEHOSPITAL WITH CANCER AT

DIFFERENT TIMES.

WHEN SOMEBODY'S COMING TO VISITYOU AND BE WITH YOU AND TAKE

CARE OF YOU, YOU DON'T ASK WHATTHEIR PARTY REGISTRATION IS.

>> CANCER, HOSPITALS,HEALTHCARE, ObamaCare?

WHY DON'T YOU GUYS ARGUE ABOUTTHAT?

>> WE WERE TRYING NOT TO DIE.

>> TO SHOW THIS COUPLE HOW IT'SIMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A MIXED PARTY

MARRIAGE TODAY, WE SET UP TWO OFOUR PANELISTS, ONE DEMOCRAT AND

ONE REPUBLICAN ON A DATE.

>> I GREW UP IN CALIFORNIA TILLI WAS ABOUT 15 AND THEN MOVED TO

ARIZONA.

>> COOL, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEENIN NEW YORK.

>> I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT TWO ANDA HALF YEARS NOW.

HOW ABOUT YOU?

>> I HAVE BEEN IN NEW YORK TWOYEARS NOW.

>> IT WAS A CATASTROPHE.

THIS COULDN'T BE!

THEY WERE CONVERSING LIKEREGULAR PEOPLE!

>> I REALLY LIKE THIS PLACE.

THE ATMOSPHERE IS REALLY NICE.

>> YEAH, I DO LIKE THEATMOSPHERE.

>> ATMOSPHERE? ATMOSPHERE?

HEY, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANYPARTICLES OF CO2 WERE RELEASED

INTO THE ATMOSPHERE IN 2014?

TELL HIM ABOUT IT!

>> RIGHT.

YOU'RE MISSING SO MANYOPPORTUNITIES HERE, SO MANY!

>> OKAY. OKAY.

>> FOR OUR POLITICAL ECOSYSTEMTO WORK, THEY NEED TO BECOME

TRIBAL.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY BROTHERS ANDSISTERS?

>> I HAVE A YOUNGER SISTER.

TELL HIM IF SHE'S GAY THENYOU SUPPORT HER RIGHT TO GET

MARRIED.

>> BUT SHE'S NOT GAY.

>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IT'S OKAYTO STIR THE POT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO STIR THE POT.

I'M TRYING TO GET SOME (BLEEP)STARTED.

IN THE END, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAYTO MAKE SURE YOU AGREE WITH

YOUR PARTNER ON EVERYPOLITICAL POINT.

>> I FEEL THAT WAY TOO ABOUTTHE KEYSTONE PIPELINE!

THAT'S SO FUNNY!

YOU'RE GREAT! YOU'RE REALLYGREAT. WOW.

IT'S A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN!

JESSICA WILLIAMS, WE'LL BEBACK!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT FORMER NPRCORRESPONDENT, SENIOR ASSOCIATE

AT THE CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT, HERNEW BOOK IS CALLED "THIEVES OF

STATE: WHY CORRUPTION THREATENSGLOBAL SECURITY."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAMSARAH CHAYES. SARAH! HELLO!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) NICE TO SEE YOU!

HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M GREAT.

HOW ARE YOU?

>> Jon: I'M GOOD!

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THISDAMN BOOK, "THIEVES OF STATE"

ABOUT CORRUPTION.

I FEEL LIKE CORRUPTION IS THEMOST INSIDIOUS, MOST WIDESPREAD,

LEAST TALKED ABOUT ISSUE IN THE21st CENTURY.

>> SO I GET A LOT OF CRITICISMFOR FOCUSING TOO MUCH ON

CORRUPTION.

>> Jon: OH, THEN I AGREE WITHTHAT, THEN.

I'M SORRY.

WHAT DID DID I SAY?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S THE ONLYCAUSE OF ALL THE CRISES THAT WE

HAVE BEEN SEEING IN THELAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

>> Jon: YES.

>> I THINK IT'S ONE OF THECAUSES, AND IT'S THE ONE THAT

NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT.

>> Jon: YES.

>> SO THAT'S WHY I WROTE"THIEVES OF STATE" ABOUT

BASICALLY THIS ONE ISSUE.

>> Jon: NOW THIS FOCUSES,OBVIOUSLY, ON A LOT OF YOUR

EXPERIENCE IN AFGHANISTAN OVERTHE PAST -- YOU LIVED THERE NINE

YEARS OR A DECADE.

>> A DECADE. YEAH.

>> Jon: BUT I THINK THE MOSTINTERESTING THING ABOUT IT IS

THE CONNECTION YOU MAKE BETWEENWHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER

CORRUPTION, AND NOT NECESSARILYLIKE, YOU KNOW, CARICATURE MONEY

IN A BRIEFCASE CORRUPTION WHICHEXISTS, BUT THE CONNECTION

BETWEEN CORRUPTION ANDEXTREMISTS.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND SOME OF IT IS MONEY IN ABRIEFCASE.

AND I THINK THERE ARE TWOASPECTS OF CORRUPTION, THE KIND

OF CORRUPTION THAT I'M TALKINGABOUT THAT A LOT OF

AMERICANS DON'T GET.

ONE IS IT'S REALLY IN YOUR FACE.

THIS IS NOT SOME, YOU KNOW,VICTIMLESS THING HAPPENING THAT

YOU DON'T EVEN NOTICE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THIS IS THE COP SHAKES YOUDOWN NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, FIVE

TIMES.

IF YOU DON'T FORK OVER, HE MIGHTHIT YOU.

HE -- NOT ONLY IS HE STEALINGYOUR MONEY, HE'S INSULTING YOU

WHILE HE'S DOING IT.

AND IT'S NOT JUST THE COP.

IT'S THE NURSERY SCHOOL TEACHER.

I HAVE A FRIEND IN NIGERIA WHOSAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T PAY

THE NURSERY SCHOOL TEACHER, SHEDOESN'T PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR

CHILD AND YOUR CHILD IS CRANKY.

IF YOU WANT YOUR CHILD TO BEHAPPY, YOU HAVE TO PAY OFF THE

NURSERY SCHOOL TEACHER.

IT'S IN YOUR FACE EVERY SINGLEDAY,

AND SO THAT MAKES PEOPLE MAD.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

NOW THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS TOCOME IN.

SO YOU HAVE THIS IDEA THATGOVERNMENT OR THE INSTITUTIONS

THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE BYTHE POWERFUL DO NOT WORK FOR YOU

IN ANY WAY?

>> NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT WORK FORYOU, THEY WORK AGAINST YOU

ACTIVELY.

>> Jon: YES. THEY WORK AGAINSTYOU.

>> SO WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE A THIRDOF IRAQ WAS WILLING TO BE OPEN

TO THE LUNATICS THAT CALLTHEMSELVES THE ISLAMIC STATE?

IT WAS SO BAD, THE MALIKIGOVERNMENT WAS SO BAD AND THERE

WAS ABSOLUTELY NO RECOURSE,PEOPLE STARTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW,

SIX OF ONE, HALF DOZEN OF THEOTHER.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO THAT'S ONE PIECE OF ITTHAT I THINK AMERICANS DON'T

REALLY GET.

AND THE REASON EXTREMISTMOVEMENTS I THINK ARE ATTRACTIVE

TO PEOPLE IN THIS SITUATION, TWOTHINGS, ONE IS IT OFFERS AN

EXPLANATION.

WHY IS OUR GOVERNMENT SOOBNOXIOUS?

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWINGRELIGIOUS STRICTURES.

>> Jon: THEY'RE NOT PURE.

>> THEY'RE NOT PURE. THEY'RE NOT--

THEY'RE MORALLY DEPRAVED AS WELLAS MATERIALLY DEPRAVED.

>> Jon: YES.

>> SO THE ONLY WAY YOU CANACHIEVE PUBLIC INTEGRITY IS

THROUGH PRIVATE, STRICTMORALITY.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO THAT'S ONE THING,EXPLANATION.

SECOND, HAVE YOU BEEN TO THED.M.V. LATELY?

>> Jon: SURE.

(LAUGHTER)WHAT DO YOU THINK?

MY LICENSE IS EXPIRED AND IJUST DRIVE?

I MEAN, THAT'S -- THAT'S LUNACY!

>> SO, WOULD YOU HAVE LIKED TOHAVE HAD A KALASHNIKOV HANDED TO

YOU AFTER THAT EXPERIENCE?

>> Jon: YES.

(LAUGHTER)SO, SO I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND.

THE PROBLEM THEN BECOMES, ITBECOMES LORD OF THE FLIES

AND WHOEVER CAN TAKE THESTRICTEST CONTROL AND THEN IT'S

JUST WARLORDISM, ISN'T IT?

THEN IT'S JUST THESE, THESEMILITIA MOVEMENTS WHO WERE VERY

VIOLENT AND VERY CONTROLLINGAND HOW LONG AFTER THESE

TYPES OF GROUPS TAKE OVER DOTHOSE PEOPLE GO, YOU KNOW WHAT?

MAYBE THE LINE AT THE D.M.V.

WASN'T THAT LONG BECAUSE, AT THEEND OF IT, I STILL HAD MY HEAD.

>> SO LOOK AT SISI IN EGYPT.>> Jon: YES.

>> YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HAD ARESTORATION IN SISI --

>> Jon: YES.

>> SORRY, A RESTORATION IN EGYPTWITH SISI.

>> Jon: OF AN AUTOCRACY. YES.

>> EXACTLY. EXACTLY.

THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENED INIRAN.

I THINK A LOT OF IRANIANCITIZENS KIND OF REGRET WHICH

WAY THEY WENT IN REACTION AGAINSTHE KLEPTOCRATIC AND ABUSIVE

GOVERNMENT OF THE SHAH.

>> Jon: IN '79. YOU THINK THEYREGRET THE THEOCRACY?

>> YES. THAT'S RIGHT.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO THERE WERE BIGDEMONSTRATIONS, YOU KNOW,

IN IRAN IN 2009 AGAINST THEISLAMIC REPUBLIC WHICH IS WHAT

THE PEOPLE HAD CHOSENINSTEAD OF THE SHAH.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> NOW THE POINT I TRY TO MAKEIS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE STUFF

GETS THIS VIOLENT, ALL BETS AREOFF.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> I'M NOT SAYING BOKO HARAM ISTHE BETTER CHOICE THAN THE

GOVERNMENT OF GOODLUCK JONATHAN.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS PEOPLE AREDRIVEN TO EXTREMES AND THEN YOU

GET SECURITY CRISES.

>> Jon: AND THAT IS THE TYPE OFTHING THAT IF YOU CAN CONTROL

SOME OF THE CORRUPTION, YOU TAKE

A LITTLE BIT OF THE ENERGY OUTOF THESE EXTREMIST MOVEMENTS.

>> EXACTLY. EXACTLY.

>> Jon: WILL YOU STICKAROUND FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT?

>> I'D LOVE TO.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT. BEAUTIUL.

WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MOREABOUT IT.

"THIEVES OF STATE," IT'S ON THESHELVES NOW.

SARAH CHAYES.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

THROW IT UP ON THE WEB.

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW!

JOIN US NEXT WEEK AT 11:00. ANDWHILE YOU'RE HERE, MAN,

WHY DON'T YOU CHECK OUT THE"NIGHTLY SHOW."

IT'S ON I THINK NIGHTLYRIGHT AFTER US.

AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM ATTHE END OF THEIR SECOND WEEK.

THEY'RE KILLING IT OVER THERE.REALLY APPRECIATING IT.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHUTUP, OR I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU

ARRESTED.

IF WE CAN'T GET THE CAPITAL HILLPOLICE IN HERE IMMEDIATELY...

GET OUT OF HERE, YOU LOW-LIFESCUM.

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