October 16, 2014 - Bryan Stevenson

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Florida gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist cools his balls, Jessica Williams reports on Kansas's conservative utopia, and Bryan Stevenson discusses his book "Just Mercy." 

>> Jon; HEY WELCOME TO "THEDAILY SHOW,"

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

OUR GUEST TONIGHT, MAN, I COULD HAVE USED THIS GUY LAST NIGHT.

PROFESSOR BRYAN STEVENSON, AUTHOR OF "JUST MERCY:

A STORY OF JUSTICE ANDREDEMPTION."

VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. BUTFIRST, I'M NOT GOING TO LIE

TO YOU PEOPLE. I CAN'T DO IT.THIS HAS BEEN A LOUSY COUPLE OF

WEEKS, YEARS, DECADES. [BLEEP]DECADE. ENDLESS WAR, CORPORATIST

SURVEILLANCE STATE THAT THRIVESON SECRECY AND THE TEARS OF

ORPHANS. AND NOW A ROVING HOARDOF ISLAMIST DECAPITATION

FETISHISTS WHO ARE RACING ANAFRICAN BLOOD POOP VIRUS TO SEE

WHICH CAN KILL US FIRST.SOMETIMES YOU WONDER, WHY GO ON?

WHAT'S THE POINT? I'LL TELL YOUWHAT THE POINT IS:

IF WE GIVE INTO DISPAIR THEYWIN.

WE MUST KEEP FIGHTING BECAUSE ASFRODO TAUGHT US, EVEN IF THE

WORLD IS HORSE [BLEEP], IF YOU DIG AROUND LONG ENOUGH THERE IS

A PONY IN THERE SOMEWHERE. WELL, IT TURNS OUT, LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN, I FOUND A PONY LAST NIGHT IN FLORIDA.

>> WE ARE LIVE FROM BROWARDCOLLEGE IN DAVIE, FLORIDA.

WE HAVE GOVERNOR CHARLIE CRIST,FLORIDA GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT.\,

OUR INCUMBENT GOVERNOR AND THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR

GOVERNOR IS ALSO IN THE BUILDING.

GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT? WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT GOVERNOR SCOTT

WILL NOT BE PARTICIPATING IN THIS DEBATE.

>> Jon: HE CAN'T NOT PARTICIPATE.

A DEBATE MUST HAVE AT LEAST TWO PARTIES TO BE CONSIDERED A

DEBATE OTHERWISE IT'S A MASTERBATE, IT'S JUST ONE.

PERHAPS GOVERNOR SCOTT IS JUSTLATE. MAYBE HE'S LATE.

PERHAPS THE HAIRLESSSERPENTINE INCUMBENT GOT

SIDETRACKED LOOKING FOR A SNACK.OH LOOK AT HIM THERE.

BUT IT WAS THE REASON FOR GOVERNOR SCOTT'S ABSENCE THAT

REMINDED ME WHY LIFE IS SO BEAUTIFUL.

>> GOVERNOR CRIST HAS ASKED TO HAVE A FAN, A SMALL FAN PLACED

UNDERNEATH HIS PODIUM. THE RULES OF THE DEBATE THAT I

WAS SHOWN BY THE SCOTT CAMPAIGN SAY THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO FAN.

SOMEHOW THERE IS A FAN THERE ANDFOR THAT REASON, LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN, I AM BEING TOLD THAT GOVERNOR SCOTT WILL NOT JOIN US

FOR THIS DEBATE.

>> Jon: GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT OFFLORIDA HAS REFUSED TO DEBATE

FORMER GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA CRISTBECAUSE FORMER GOVERNOR CRIST

HAS A FAN THAT APPEARS TO BE PROVIDING A SMALL AMOUNT OF

RESPITE FOR HIS PRESUMABLY SWEATY BALLS.

THANK YOU, JESUS! LOOK, WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S

HAPPENING HERE. IT'S FLORIDA.

THERE'S A HUMID ENVIRONMENT IN FLORIDA.

CRIST'S BOYS GOT SWEATY SO THE FORMER GOVERNOR POPS DOWN AND

PICKS UP A FAN AT WHAT DOYOU CALL IT THERE,

BED, BALLS ANDBEYOND. WHAT'S THE ISSUE?

>> THE FIRST QUESTION I WANTTO ASK YOU, GOVERNOR CRIST,

IS WHY DID YOU INSIST ONBRINGING A FAN HERE?

>> WHY NOT? YOU KNOW, IT'S UH,

IS THERE ANYTHINGWRONG WITH BEING COMFORTABLE?

>> Jon: NOW THAT IS HOW YOU WINVOTES IN FLORIDA. RIGHT NOW A

MILLION ALTACOCKERS IN FLORIDAARE TURNING TO THEIR FRIENDS

GOING, I MEAN HE'S GOT A POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU STAND ALL NIGHT IN

THE LIGHTS, I MEAN HE SHOULD BE COMFORTABLE, UH?

OF COURSE, THOSE OF YOU WHO FOLLOW FLORIDA POLITICS OR HAVE

A GOOGLE ALERT SET FOR FLORIDA BALL FAN CONTROVERSIES, WERE

WERE HARDLY SURPRISED BY THESCANDAL.

>> THIS HAPPENED BACK IN 2006 ASWELL WHEN CRIST WAS RUNNING FOR

THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR.

THERE WAS A DISPUTE OVER A FAN THEN, TOO.

THEY ENDED UP SHARING THE FAN.

>> Jon: OH! SADLY THOSE DAYS OF BIPARTISAN

ACCOMMODATION ARE LONG GONE. AND WHILE WE WERE ONCE A NATION

OF BALL FAN SHARERS, IN TODAY'S DIVIDED POLITICS, WE WOULD

RATHER STEW IN OUR OWN TESTICULAR MOISTURE THAN REACH

ACROSS THE AISLE TO BRING A FRESH WIND OF COMPROMISE.

AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN HIMSELF ONCESAID, A SCROTUM DIVIDED AGAINST

ITSELF CANNOT STAND FOR IT ISREALLY NOT A WEIGHT-BEARING,

JUST REALLY JUST FLOPS.[LAUGHTER]

IT'S HARD TO IMAGINETHIS IS OUR COUNTRY.

OF COURSE, ALL WONDERFUL THINGS

MUST COME TO AN END. EVENTUALLY RICK SCOTT DID

APPEAR, ALLOWING FLORIDIANS TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES THEY CARE

ABOUT MOST.

>> LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE VOTERS ARE SAYING THROUGH SOCIAL

MEDIA. LET'S GO THE MANNIE GARCIA OF

THE NAPLES DAILY NEWS. AND MANNIE, WHAT'S TRENDING ON

SOCIAL MEDIA RIGHT NOW? >> WELL, THE FAN.

>> Jon: IN FACT CHARLIE CRIST'SBALL TWITTER FEED HAS BEEN

BLOWING UP. GUYS, THE FAN ISN'T SUPPOSED TO

HAVE FANS, SIDEWAYS WINKEYFACE, #GRUNDLE BRAG.

GRUNDLE BRAG? MY DAY WE CALLEDTHAT A TAINT.

YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY,I'M SORRY.

HONESTLY, WE COULD HAVE DELVED IN TO ALL THE TERRIBLE ACTUAL

ANSWERS RICK SCOTT GAVE IN THE DEBATE ABOUT HIS HORRIFYING

POLICIES FROM FLORIDA. BUT THAT IS NOT NEARLY AS FUN AS

HIM MISSING FOUR MINUTES OF A DEBATE BECAUSE HIS OPPONENT HAD

A FAN POINTED AT HIS BALLS. FOR MORE ON THIS STORY WE GO TO

SAMANTHA BEE IN FLORIDA. SAM, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

SAM, CAN YOU TELL US WHY RICKSCOTT REACTED SO STRONGLY TO

CHARLIE CRIST'S EFFORTS TO COOLDOWN CHIP AND DALE, FOR LACK OF

A BETTER -->> JON, YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS

MINE. FLORIDA POLITICS HAS A LONG

TRADITION OF AN ELECTORAL BALL-COOLERY.

FROM THE INAUGURATION OF ANDREW JACKSON AS THE STATE'S FIRST

GOVERNOR, TO THE 2000 PRESIDENTIAL RACE WHEN HUNDREDS

OF BROWARD COUNTY BALLOTS WERE RENDERED INDECIPHERABLE DUE TO

COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF BALL SWEAT.

>> Jon: REMIND ME AGAIN WHY VOTERS IN FLORIDA IN THAT

ELECTION INSISTED ON WIPINGTHEIR BALLOTS ON THEIR BALLS?

>> WELL, I'M SURE YOU REMEMBERTHE BALLOTS WERE VERY POORLY

DESIGNED AND ALL THOSE OLD PEOPLE GOT CONFUSED.

THEY INTENDED TO VOTE FOR AL GORE AND INSTEAD THEY

ACCIDENTALLY STUCK THE BALLOTS DOWN THEIR PANTS.

>> Jon: I REMEMBER THAT.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: IS THIS A STATEWIDE ISSUE, SAM?

>> WELL, NOT THE WHOLE STATE. THIS AREA HERE IN THE SOUTH.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THIS AREA IS GENERALLY MORE ARID.

>> Jon: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

>> THE PROBLEM REALLY COMES WHENYOU'RE DOWN HERE WHEN YOU

REACH UP IN THIS AREA. ITJUST GETS EXTREMELY DAMP AND

SWAMPY AND JUST, JUST GROSS.

>> Jon: WHAT IF, WHAT IF, TOCLARIFY THAT, WHAT ABOUT

CLEARING OUT SOME OF THE SWAMPLAND IN THAT AREA? WOULD THAT

HELP? >> OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

DEFORESTATION?>> Jon: DEFORESTATION.

>> YEAH, YEAH. IT WOULD, ITWOULD HELP COOL IT DOWN,

BUT ULTIMATELY THERE'S THE UPKEEP AND THEN ONCE THAT

FOLIAGE BEGINS TO GROW BACK, IT'S ALSO SOMEHOW EVEN GROSSER.

>> Jon: I GET IT. I GET IT.

>> YEAH. THE POINT IS, DON'TSHAVE YOUR BALLS, JON.

>> Jon: NO, I UNDERSTAND. SAM, WHERE ARE YOU NOW?

>> OH WELL, JON, RIGHT NOW I'MAT FLORIDA'S SCROTOGEN LABS

WHERE THEY ARE WORKINGNIGHT AND DAY TO COMBAT

FLORIDIAN BALL SWEAT.

>> Jon: AND HOW IS THE RESEARCH COMING, SAM?

>> WELL LET ME SHOW YOU AN EARLY PROTOTYPE.

>> Jon: IS THAT -- SAM, IS THATAN OPEN FAN ON THE INSIDE OF THE

UNDERWEAR? BECAUSETHAT SEEMS LIKE ANY COOLING

BENEFIT WOULD BE UNDERCUT BY OBVIOUSLY THE MANGLING.

>> YEAH, WELL, AFTER YEARS OF TRIALS, THEY HAVE COME TO THAT

SAME CONCLUSION.>> Jon: SURE.

>> SO I GIVE YOU THETESTI-COOL 5000.

>> Jon: IT SEEMS COMPLICATED FOR UNDERWEAR.

>> YEAH, YOU GET USED TO IT. YOUGET USED TO IT.

>> Jon: THEY DON'T SEEMPARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE IN TERMS

OF COOLING IN ADEBATE ENVIRONMENT.

>> WELL, THERE IS ONE OTHER OPTION IN DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A VERTICAL VENTILATION OPENPORT APERTURE.

IT OF COURSE is MANUALLY OPERATED.

>> Jon: SO BASICALLY YOUR ADVICE WOULD BE KEEP YOUR FLY

OPEN.

>> WELL, I GUESS FOR THE LAYMAN,OKAY.

>> Jon: WELL, THANKS SO MUCH,SAM, GOOD LUCK DOWN THERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: SAMANTHA BEE, EVERYBODY.WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> WELCOME BACK! SO, SO YOUKNOW HOW SOME POLITICAL

IDEAS SOUND GREAT IN THEORY.AND YOU THINK MAN, IF ONLY WE

COULD TEST THEORIES IN A GIANTEXPERIMENT INVOLVING MILLIONS OF

PEOPLE'S LIVES. YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD BE CRAZY

ENOUGH TO AGREE TO SOMETHINGLIKE THAT? TURNS OUT KANSAS.

JESSICA WILLIAMS REPORTS ON THE RESULTS.

>> IN 2010 FORMER SENATOR AND FETUS WHISPERER SAM BROWNBACK

WAS ELECTED GOVERNOR OF KANSASAND HE HAD A DREAM.

>> EXPANSION OF GUN RIGHTS',RESTRICTIONS ON ABORTION,

SHARPLY REDUCED WELFARE ROLES,INCREASED VOTER REGISTRATION

SCRUTINY.

>> A BORING WHITE GUY DREAM.

>> GET OUR TAXES DOWN.

>> GET THOSE RATES DOWN ANDSTIMULATE GROWTH.

>> AND REPUBLICANS REJOICED.

>> I DID VOTE FOR GOVERNORBROWNBACK, WE DID GET SOME

TAX CUTS, AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> UNDER THE BROWNBACK TAX PLAN ANY OWNER OF A BUSINESS DOESN'T

HAVE TO PAY ANY TAX.

IT'S UNIQUE, KANSAS IS THE ONLY STATE DOING THAT.

>> WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF LESS TAXES AND

MORE REVENUE AND MORE JOBS? THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

>> YOU'RE LIVING IN A KANSAS UTOPIA RIGHT NOW OF

REPUBLICAN BONERS.

YES, THIS WOULD BE THE ERECTIONOF A CONSERVATIVE UTOPIA.

>> WE'LL HAVE A REAL LIVEEXPERIMENT.

>> I THINK KANSAS IS GOING TO DOWELL.

>> AND NOW THE RESULTS OF THATEXPERIMENT ARE IN.

THERE'S ONLY ONE PROBLEM.

>> IT'S JUST BEEN AN ABJECTFAILURE.

>> I'M SORRY, WHAT? >> I WISH IT HAD WORKED.

IT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> YEAH.

>> THIS IS REALLY AN EXPERIMENT GONE HORRIBLY WRONG.

>> OKAY. HOW BAD COULD IT BE?

>> CREDIT DOWNGRADES, DEFICIT SPENDING, CUTS IN EDUCATION,

CUTS IN HIGHWAYS, THAT'S WHAT I CALL A TRAIN WRECK.

>> OH, I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENINGHERE. ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE A

REPUBLICAN? >> I'M A REPUBLICAN.

>> BECAUSE YOU DON'T SOUND LIKE ONE.

NAME THREE HIP HOP ARTISTS.EMINEM DOES NOT COUNT.

>> TUPAC WOULD BE ONE -- ANDTHEN -- THERE'S UH -- AND UH

>> YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG.

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS.

>> OKAY, YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN.

>> AND IT TURNS OUT KANSAS ISSCREWED.

>> REVENUE WAS DOWN 680 MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE PRIOR YEAR.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY IN KANSAS.

>> THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO ANYBODY.

>> THE PROBLEM WAS, LESS TAXES ON THE JOB CREATORS DIDN'T LEAD

TO JOBS CREATED.

>> JUST BECAUSE WE GOT A TAX CUTDIDN'T MEAN WE NEED TO HIRE MORE

PEOPLE. WE PUT THAT MONEY IN OUR POCKET.

>> THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.

YOU GET TAX CUTS AND THEN YOUUSE THAT TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE.

>> WHY HIRE PEOPLE THAT YOUDON'T NEED?

DON'T DO THIS TO ME. DON'TDO THIS TO ME, DUDE. STOP.

>> I GUESS BROWNBACK HOPED THATBUSINESS OWNERS LIKE ROSS WOULD

GET MORE CREATIVE WITHTHEIR HIRING PRACTICES.

>> WHY WOULD WE NEED A TRACTOR DANCER ON THIS FARM?

>> CAUSE IT'S FUN. CROP AND LOCKIT. YOU HAVE A DRIVER, YOU HAVE

A DANCER.THAT'S TWO JOBS FOR ONE

TRACTOR.>> OH GOSH.

>> AND WITH LESS MONEY THE STATEHAD TO MAKE A FEW TINY CUTS IN

EDUCATION.

>> WE'VE EXPERIENCED THE LARGEST CUT IN PER PUPIL SPENDING IN

KANSAS IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE STATE.

THEY'VE CLOSED FIVE SCHOOL BUILDINGS IN OUR DISTRICT.

CLASS SIZE IS GOING UP.

>> LOOK, I LOOKED IT UP. THE TWOBIGGEST INDUSTRIES YOU GUYS HAVE

IN KANSAS ARE FARMING ANDAEROSPACE.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO TO SCHOOLFOR THAT.

YOU CAN LEARN THATFROM YOUR PAPPY.

>> WELL, ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE OPPOSITE

OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR KANSAS.

>> THEN THE UNTHINKABLE HAPPENED.

SOMETHING THESOLIDLY CONSERVATIVE STATE OF

KANSAS COULD NEVERHAVE IMAGINED.

>> REPUBLICANS FOR KANSAS IS AGROUP OF CURRENT AND FORMER

REPUBLICAN LEADERS, ELECTEDOFFICIALS WHO THINK THAT KANSAS

IS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

WE'RE SUPPORTING THE DEMOCRATFOR THE GOVERNOR'S RACE IN

KANSAS.

>> UM, I KNOW THIS IS TV ANDEVERYTHING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE

YOU KIND OF MISSPOKE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK, WE'REGOING TO DO IT AGAIN.

SO, WHO ARE YOU SUPPORTING INTHE UPCOMING ELECTION?

>> REPUBLICANS FOR KANSAS VALUESSUPPORTING THE DEMOCRAT.

>> OKAY. YOU DID IT AGAIN.

JUST ONE MORE TIME, LOOK, I KNOW YOU'RE NERVOUS, YOU'RE IN THE

PRESENCE OF A SUPERSTAR. BUT JUST SORT OF RELAX A LITTLE

BIT. SO, WHO ARE YOUSUPPORTING IN THE

UPCOMING ELECTION?

>> WE'RE SUPPORTINGTHE DEMOCRAT.

>> IN FACT, THE ONCE UNBEATABLE BROWNBACK NOW TRAILS IN THE

POLLS. BUT DON'T WORRY, HE HAS A

SOLUTION.

>> HIT THE ACCELERATOR ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.

TAX CUTS TAKE A LITTLE BITOF TIME. THIS IS GOING TO WORK

AND WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH.

>> YEP, THE SOLUTION TO THEFAILED CONSERVATIVE UTOPIA IS

MORE OF IT.

>> YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP IS BEINGABLE TO SAY I MADE A MISTAKE.

KANSAS IS A GREAT TRADITIONALMODERATE STATE.

AND IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT INKANSAS ANYMORE.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S NOT KANSAS ANYMORE.

IT WAS SOMETHING MUCH, MUCH WORSE.

>> COME WITH ME! LET'S GO OFF TO FIX THIS.

IT WILL BE -- WHAT'S THE DEALWITH THE [BLEEP] ROAD?

OH, RIGHT. NOTRANSPORTATION BUDGET.

GET ME THE [BLEEP] OUT OF HERE.GET ME THE [BLEEP] OUT OF HERE.

I'M GOING TO TAKE A CAB. I GONNA-- OKAY.

>> THANK YOU, JESSICA WILLIAMS, EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> WELCOME BACK. MY GUESTTONIGHT, HE IS THE DIRECTOR

OF THE EQUAL JUSTICE INITIATIVE,HE'S A PROFESSOR AT

NYU LAW SCHOOL, HIS NEW BOOK ISCALLED "JUST MERCY: A STORY OF

JUSTICE AND REDEMPTION."PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM,

BRYAN STEVENSON. SIR!HELLO!

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. [APPLAUSE]

HOW ARE YOU, SIR? >> I'M WELL, THANK YOU.

>> Jon: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THE BOOK IS CALLED JUST MERCY. TELL ME ABOUT THE WORK YOU DO,

THE FOUNDATION OF THIS BOOK. TELL ME ABOUT THE VARIETY OF

THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

>> WELL, THE BOOK IS ABOUT MASS INCARCERATION IN AMERICA AND THE

WAY WE'VE DISCONNECTED FROM SOMANY OF THE REALITIES. IT TELLS

THE STORY OF A MAN WHO WASWRONGLY CONVICTED AND

PUT ON DEATH ROW.

AND YOU THINK THE SYSTEM WORKSONE WAY BUT ACTUALLY WORKS A

VERY DIFFERENT WAY.AND I MET THIS MAN WHO WHEN I

WENT TO THE PRISON, TOLD ME HEHAD BEEN PUT ON DEATH ROW FOR 15

MONTHS BEFORE THE TRIAL, ANDI THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T TEACH ME

THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TOWORK. AND THEN I GOT BACK TO MY

OFFICE AND A JUDGE NAMED ROBERTE. LEE CALLED AND TOLD

ME NOT TO TAKE THE CASE.AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S

SUPPOSED TO WORK. AND THENI WENT INTO THIS COMMUNITY WHERE

AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE TELLINGME THAT THEY WERE THIS MAN 11

MILES AWAY FROM THE CRIME SCENEWHEN THE CRIME TOOK PLACE

AND HE WAS STILL CONVICTED ANDSTILL SENTENCED TO DEATH.

THE JURY RETURED 25 TO LIFE.

THE JUDGE OVERRODE IT, IMPOSED THE DEATH PENALTY.

SO THERE'S THIS DISCONNECT, ANDI THINK THE BOOK IS AN EFFORT TO

TRY TO KIND OF EXPOSE PEOPLE TOTHAT DISCONNECT.

WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT TALKS ABOUT BEING THE HOME OF THE

BRAVE AND THE LAND OF THE FREE AND WE HAVE THE HIGHEST

INCARCERATION RATE IN THE WORLD.

>> Jon: AND EVEN IN, YOUKNOW, JUST TODAY IN NEW YORK

CITY, A GENTLEMAN CONVICTED OFMURDER AT 16 YEARS OLD, WRONGLY

CONVICTED, IT IS 30 YEARS LATER,HE'S JUST GETTING OUT TODAY.

HIS FRIEND WHO WAS CONVICTEDWITH HIM, DIED IN PRISON.

>> YEAH.>> Jon: THERE'S A 10-YEAR-OLD

BOY NOW APPARENTLY BEING CHARGEDAS AN ADULT FOR A MURDER.

>> YEAH. YEAH. >> Jon: HOW ARE

WE AS A COLLECTION ALLOWING ITTO HAPPEN?

>> WELL, I THINK WE DON'T APPRECIATE THE OBLIGATION TO BE

JUST IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. THERE IS THIS DISCONNECT.

AND THERE IS THIS NARRATIVE OUTTHERE CORRUPTED BY THE

POLITICS OF FEAR AND ANGER.

I MEAN, WE CHANGED DRAMATICALLYIN THE LAST 40 YEARS.

IN 1972, THERE WERE 300,000PEOPLE IN JAILS AND PRISONS.

TODAY THERE ARE 2.3 MILLION.AND THAT DISCONNECT IS

PART OF THE PROBLEM.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, WEPROTECT CHILD STATUS IN AMERICA,

AND WE'RE BEING DISHONEST WHENWE SAY KIDS CAN'T VOTE,

CAN'T DRINK, CAN'T SMOKE BUT IF THEY COMMIT A CRIME, WE CAN

IGNORE THEIR CHILD STATUS. ANDTHAT'S WHO WE ENDED UP WITH 13

AND 14-YEAR-OLD CHILDREN SENTENCED TO DIE IN PRISON.

>> Jon: AND IT'S ALMOST NOT EVENA DISCONNECT BUT IT'S

PURPOSEFUL. I CAN REMEMBER THEPOLITICS OF FEAR THROUGHOUT

THE '70s AND EARLY '80s.>> YEAH, YEAH. SURE.

>> Jon: THAT WE WERE UNDERATTACK BY, I REMEMBER THEY USED

TO CALL THEM THE SUPER PREDATORS.

>> SUPER PREDATORS.>> Jon: THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

>> THAT'S RIGHT .

>> Jon: AND WE HAD TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM SUPER PREDATORS.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND THEN THE THREESTRIKES RULE CAME IN.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND ALL THESE OTHERTHINGS THAT WERE INSTITUTED.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S ANARRATIVE THAT WAS INTRODUCED.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THESECRIMINOLOGISTS STARTED

TALKING ABOUT SUPER PREDATORS,AND THEY WERE TALKING MOSTLY

ABOUT YOUNG BLACK AND BROWN BOYSAND THEY MADE THESE PREDICTIONS,

AND WE STARTEDELIMINATING THE MINIMUM AGE

FOR TRYING A CHILD AS AN ADULT,

THAT'S HOW YOU HAVE 10-YEAR-OLDSFACING ADULT IMPRISONMENT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> WE MADE IT EASIER TO PUT

THESE KIDS IN PRISON FOREVER,AND THEN WE STARTED PASSING

MANDATORY SENTENCES LAWS, ANDTHAT MEANT THAT WE'VE GOT

PEOPLE SERVINGLIFE SENTENCES FOR

WRITING A BADCHECK OR DRUG USE, SIMPLE

POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND IT'S CRAZY.

BUT I THINK WE HAVEN'T REALLYBEEN OUTRAGED ENOUGH.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> WE HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF INCARCERATION IN THE WORLD AND

WE'RE NOT ASHAMED OF THAT.

>> Jon: NOT ONLY NOT OUTRAGED. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A

DEFENSIVENESS IN THE COMMUNITY. I HAD A GENTLEMAN ON LAST NIGHT

THAT I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH, WHO IS VERY

ADAMANT THAT RACE WAS NOT AN ISSUE IN THESE.

AND YET DISPROPORTIONATELY, ANDSTATISTICALLY IT IS.

AND WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND I WASN'T TRYING

TO BLAME HIM. JUST MERELY AND NOT VERY

ARTICULATELY, POINT OUT IT WAS REAL.

>> SURE.>> Jon: WHY IS IT SO HARD

TO GET PAST THAT DEFENSIVENESSAND ANGER?

>> WELL, WE'VE NEVER EVER COMMITTED OURSELVES TO A PROCESS

OF TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION OF OUR HISTORY.

WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF A MYTH THAT

CREATED SLAVERY AND BECAUSE OF THAT SLAVERY DIDN'T END, IT

EVOLVED. WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHAT IT

MEANT TO TERRORIZE PEOPLE BETWEEN THE END OF

RECONSTRUCTION AND WORLD WAR II.

AND THEN WE HAD JIM CROW AND SEGREGATION AND WE DOMINATED AND

HUMILIATED PEOPLE FOR DECADES WITHOUT APPRECIATING THE HARM

DONE BY THAT. AND NOW WE'RE INAN ERA WHERE OUR FAILURE TO TALK

HONESTLY ABOUT RACE AND THELEGACY OF RACIAL INEQUALITY

CONTINUES TO HAUNT US. THEREARE THESE PRESUMPTIONS OF

DANGEROUSNESS AND GUILT THAT AREASSIGNED TO

PEOPLE OF COLOR, THAT'S HOWMR. MCMILLAN GOT

CONVICTED AND SENTENCED TO DEATH.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND WE'RE SO KIND OF TRAPPEDBY SILENCE, THAT IT'S HARD FOR

US, BUT WE'VE GOT TO CHANGETHAT. YOU KNOW, IN GERMANY,

THERE WAS THE HOLOCAUST, AHORRIFIC, HORRIFIC HISTORY.

BUT IF YOU GO THERE, YOU AREREQUIRED TO CONFRONT THAT

LEGACY.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THERE ARE MONUMENTS AND MEMORIALS AND THERE ARE TOTEMS

THAT MAKE YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

IN THIS COUNTRY WE TRY TO HIDE THAT HISTORY.

>> Jon: ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND IT MANIFESTS ITSELF INTRAGIC WAYS.

>> Jon: AND THERE'S THIS SENSEOF WELL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE

SLAVERY ANYMORE, AND WE DON'THAVE SEGREGATION,

SO GET OVER IT.

THE GENTLEMAN I REFERRED TO FROMLAST NIGHT SPOKE OF THE CODIFIED

SEGREGATION OF THE 50sAND 60s AS THOUGH IT WERE

THE MIDDLE AGES -- BUT THAT WASTHE 50s AND '60s.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I STARTED MYEDUCATION IN A COLORED SCHOOL

BECAUSE SCHOOLS WERE STILLRACIALLY SEGREGATED.

THE COUNTY WHERE MY FATHERGREW UP DIDN'T HAVE A

BLACK HIGH SCHOOL.HE HAD TO LEAVE.

MY GRANDMOTHER WAS THE DAUGHTEROF PEOPLE WHO WERE ENSLAVED.

AND ALL OF THESE REALITIES HAVELASTING CONSEQUENCES.

A BLACK MALE BABY BORN INTHE 21 CENTURY, ONE IN THREE

BLACK MALE BABIES BORN INTHE 21ST CENTURY IS EXPECTED

TO GO THE JAIL OR PRISON. THATWASN'T TRUE IN THE 20th CENTURY.

THAT WASN'T TRUE IN THE 19thCENTURY.

NOW WE'VE CREATED THISENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE TO

CONFRONT MORE HONESTLY. ANDTHAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE,

TO TALK MORE HONESTLYABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> Jon: WELL THAT'S WHAT WE'REGOING TO SHOW, SO IF YOU CAN

STICK AROUND, WHEN WE COMEBACK WE'LL TALK A LITTLE

BIT ABOUT HOW THIS CONVERSATIONTAKES PLACE BECAUSE I ALMOST

THINK WE NEED INSTRUCTIONS.>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> Jon: BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEENTAKING PLACE EXCEPT AMONGST

WHITE PEOPLE YELLING AT EACH OTHER.

"JUST MERCY" WILL BE ON THE BOOK SHELVES ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21.

THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE STORY. BRYAN STEVENSON, THANK YOU VERY

MUCH.

>> Jon: HEY EVERYBODY, THAT'SOUR SHOW.

WHEN WE SEE YOU NEXTWEEK, WE'LL BE IN TEXAS.

HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.

BUT FIRST, A FELLOW WROTE A BOOKABOUT BEING IMPRISONED IN IRAN,

IT CALLED, "AND THEN THEY CAMEFOR ME." NOW THE BOOK IS BEING

RERELEASED, IT'S CALLED"ROSEWATER," HIS NAME

IS MAZIAR BAHARI. IT'SAN INCREDIBLE BOOK.

IT'S COMING OUTTUESDAY, OCTOBER 21st.

I'M NOT GOING THE READ IT.

I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR THE MOVIE BECAUSE I HEAR THAT'S GOOD TOO.

BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF WORK.

I HOPE YOU GET A CHANCE TO TAKELOOK AT IT.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> FRANK, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS?

>> NO, I HAVEN'T.

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