September 15, 2014 - Ken Burns

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President Obama gathers a coalition to fight ISIS, Samantha Bee explains Senator Lindsey Graham's paranoia, and Ken Burns discusses "The Roosevelts: An Intimate History." 

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Jon: HEY, WELCOME TO

"THE DAILY SHOW." MY NAME IS JONSTEWART.

WE GOT A GOOD ONEFOR YOU TONIGHT.

WE'RE GOING DO THIS RIGHT. OH,LET ME JUST MOVE MY MIC.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, THEFABULOUS FILMMAKER KEN

BURNS.

KEN BURNS WILL BE JOINING USTONIGHT.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE

ROOSEVELTS, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'REGOING TO GET TO OUR TOP STORY

TONIGHT.

ISIS-- ISIL, ISIS-IL,ISOSCELES, THE TERRORIST

GROUP CURRENTLY OCCUPYING TWOEQUAL PARTS OF SYRIA AND IRAQ.

WHILE WE DON'T AGREE ON WHATTO CALL THEM, WE ALL AGREE

THEY MUST BE STOPPED,AND LAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT THE

PRESIDENT WENT ALL IN.

>> I CAN ANNOUNCE THATAMERICA WILL LEAD A BROAD

COALITION TO ROLL BACK THISTERRORIST THREAT.

>> THEY HAVE THIS CORECOALITION OF OF TEN

COUNTRIES WHO ARE COMMITTEDTO WORK TOGETHER IN

DIFFERENT WAYS TO FIGHT ISIS.

>> Jon: DIFFERENT WAYS.

SOME MAY BOMB ISIS.

OTHERS MAY SING THEM AWAY.

(LAUGHTER)GOOOO.... ISIS... NOOOO...

I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVETHAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE.

AND YET IT IS ANGELIC.

BUT OF COURSE THIS BEINGPRESIDENT OBAMA HE WAS MET

IMMEDIATELY BY A COALITIONOF THE KVETCHING.

>> THIS SO-CALLED BROADCOALITION WHICH IS A COMPLETE

FARCE AND FICTION...

>> JUST IN CONTRAST PRESIDENTBUSH HAD 37 COUNTRIES BEFORE

GOING INTO IRAQ.

>> I THINK THE EFFORT IS PRETTYWEAK AT THIS STAGE.

>> Jon: THAT LOOKS AWFULCHRISTIAN-Y.

>> Jon: GOD, GOD, WHAT A SMARMYASSHOLE.

STEWART VIOLENTLY DISEMBOWELSSTEWART DRABBING HIS ENTRAILS

THROUGH THE CABLE TELEVISIONUNIVERSE FOR ALL TO SEE.

I TOOK A MILD JAB AT STEWART. IPOKED SOME GENTLE FUN.

THAT SEEMS HYPERBOLIC.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TEN WESTERNCOUNTRIES, WE ARE GOING TO

NEED A BROADER EFFORT.

>> NEARLY 40 NATIONS HAVENOW AGREED TO JOIN THE

INTERNATIONAL COALITION.

>> EGYPT, JORDAN, LEBANONAND IRAQ, KUWAIT, BAHRAIN,

SAUDI ARABIA, QATAR, THE UAEAND OMAN.

>> Jon: THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKINGABOUT. NOW THAT IS A WHO'S

WHO OF MOST OF US DON'T KNOWWHERE.

(LAUGHTER)IN YOUR FACE, CRITICS.

I WILL BET THIS BOLD NEWBROAD COALITION HAS SILENCED

YOU.

>> THE COALITION IS NOT AREAL COALITION.

>> THIS COALITION IS LOOKINGDICEY AT BEST.

>> ENTIRELY UNRELIABLE.

>> THE COALITION OF THEUNWILLING, THE DISABLED AND

THE SELF-INTERESTED.

>> I UNDERSTAND IT TAKESSOME TIME TO GET A COALITION.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYINGWHERE'S THE URGENCY.

>> Jon: WHO THE [BLEEP]SAYS WHERE IS THE URGENCY?

YOU SAID IT!

(LAUGHTER)WE PICKED UP 30 COUNTRIES IN

THREE DAYS.

AT THAT RATE I WOULDN'T BESURPRISED IF ISIS JOINS THE

COALITION.

(LAUGHTER)OUT OF PURE PEER PRESSURE.

I MEAN WE'RE GETTING A LOTMORE REGIONAL COOPERATION

NOW, YEAH?

>> SEVERAL ARAB NATIONS HAVEOFFERED TO FLY AIR

STRIKES AGAINST ISIS.

>> THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONIS SO FAR UNWILLING TO NAME

THOSE ARAB PARTNERS.

>> Jon: OH REALLY? OUR PARTNERS,THEY DON'T WANT TO BE NAMED,

HUH? HMM, THAT'S INTERESTING.

(LAUGHTER)SO YOU'LL JOIN THE COALITION

AS LONG AS NOBODY KNOWSYOU'RE JOINING IT. ON THE DL.

JUST AS LONG AS NONE OF YOURBUDDIES FIND OUT.

IT'S LIKE OUR COALITION ISYOUR HOOKUP, THAT YOU PRETEND

NOT TO RECOGNIZE AT PARTIES BUTAS ARE YOU WALKING BEHIND US,

YOU GO I WILL SEE YOU INKURDISTAN AT 3 A.M.

WELL, GUESS WHAT, GUESS WHATMISTER,-- WE'LL TAKE IT.

ANYTHING THAT HELPS US AVOIDANOTHER MIDDLE EAST WALK OF

SHAME.

WELL, WHOEVER OUR MYSTERIOUSARAB PARTNERS ARE AT LEAST WE

HAVE A COALITION TO GO TOWAR WITH.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOUWANT TO CALL IT A WAR, OR A

SUSTAINED COUNTERTERRORISMCAMPAIGN-- .

>> Jon: IT'S NOT A WAR?

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE THENATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL HEAD

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A WAR WITH ALLTHE COALITIONS AND THE TALKING

TO THE NATION ON TELEVISION ANDTHE, ALL RIGHT.

HIGH RANKING OBAMA OFFICIALSAYS NOT A WAR.

>> WE ARE AT WAR WITH ISILIN THE SAME WAY WE ARE AT

WAR AND CONTINUE TO BE ATWAR WITH AL QAEDA.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: SO IT'S A WAR.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU GOT TO ADMIT IT SOUNDSBETTER, WAR, IMAGINE IF

GEORGE LUCAS HAD CALLED HISMOVIE, STAR SUSTAINED

COUNTER-TERRORISM CAMPAIGN.WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME POP.

I GOT TO SAY, THOUGH.

THE-- IT SOUNDS LIKE-- (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: THE OBAMAADMINISTRATION, SOUNDS LIKE

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ISA LITTLE CONFUSED OVER OUR

CURRENT SITUATION VIS-A-VISWHETHER IT'S A WAR OR NOT.

AND HERE'S HOW CONFUSED THEYARE.

YOU CAN GET BOTH POINTS OFVIEW FROM ONE GUY.

>> IS THE U.S. AT WAR WITHISIS?

>> WE'RE ENGAGED IN A MAJORCOUNTERTERRORISM OPERATION.

>> NOT A WAR.

>> AND IT'S GOING TO BE ALONG-TERM COUNTERTERRORISM

OPERATION.

>> WE'RE AT WAR WITH ALQAEDA AND ITS AFFILIATES AND

IN THE SAME CONTEXT, IF YOUWANT TO USE IT, YES, WE'RE

AT WAR WITH ISIL IN THATSENSE.

>> Jon: I LOVE THAT PASSIVEAGGRESSIVE TONE. HEY, MAN, IF

YOU ARE UNHUNG UP ONLABELS --

(LAUGHTER)

IF YOU NEED TO CALL ITSOMETHING, I GUESS WAR WILL

DO.

(LAUGHTER)ME, I JUST THINK WE'RE ALL

JUST PEOPLE ON THIS EARTHTRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER

BEFORE OTHER PEOPLE GET ACHANCE TO DO IT.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHY IT'SIMPORTANT, BECAUSE

THERE ARE LEGALRAMIFICATIONS TO THIS.

HOW WE DEFINE THE CONFLICTWILL INFORM WHO HAS THE

AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS THETHREAT FROM ISIS-ISIL.

>> I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TOADDRESS THE THREAT FROM

ISIL.

>> I SEE, AND YOU ARE?

(LAUGHTER)

THAT WOULD HAVE WORKEDBETTER WITH GLASSES,

PROBABLY.

WOULD SOMEONE CARE TOEXPLAIN WHY YOU HAVE THE

AUTHORITY?

>> THE PRESIDENT'S RELYINGON THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE

OF MILITARY FORCE

PRESIDENT BUSH HAD SIGNED IN2001 AND 2002,

TO DO THIS.

>> Jon: OH [BLEEP], 13 YEARSAGO, YOU KNOW WHAT, AIN'T NO

WAR LIKE A MIDEAST WARBECAUSE A MIDEAST WAR DON'T

STOP.

THE ROOF, THE ROOF!

THE ROOF HAS BEEN TARGETEDFOR CONFLAGRATION BY

UNMANNED AERIAL VEHICLES.

(LAUGHTER)YOU KNOWS WHAT'S SAD AT A

BAR MITZVAH I'M CONSIDERED AGOOD DANCER.

(LAUGHTER)ISN'T THAT SAD?

ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TOGO AFTER ISIS BASED ON

PRESIDENT BUSH'S 2001AUTHORIZATION OR AUMF FOR

GOING AFTER AL QAEDA.

BUT THERE ISN'T AL QAEDA, THISIS ISIS-ISIL.

>> NOT EVERY COLLECTION OF THUGSTHAT LABELS THEMSELVES

AL QAEDA WILL POSE A CREDIBLETHREAT TO THE UNITED STATES.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TOENGAGING CONGRESS AND THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE IN EFFORTSTO REFINE AND ULTIMATELY

REPEAL THE AUMF'S MANDATE.

>> Jon: WELL, THEN YOU ARELUCKY THAT CONGRESS NEVER DOES

ANYTHING YOU ASK.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU WOULDBE SCREWED RIGHT NOW!

(APPLAUSE)SCREWED!

BUT THIS REALLY DOES POINTOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

THE BUSH AND THE OBAMAADMINISTRATIONS.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WASINCREDIBLY DISCIPLINED AND

FOCUSED WHEN THE TIME CAMETO PERSUADE THIS COUNTRY TO

DO THE WRONG THING.

WHEREAS THE OBAMAADMINISTRATION WOULD LIKE

US TO DO THE RIGHT THING IN ASCHAOTIC AND CONFUSED A WAY

AS POSSIBLE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: WELCOMEBACK. NOW 13 YEARS AGO,

WAS IT 13 YEARS AGO, 13 YEARSAGO WHEN AL QAEDA WAS OUR

TOP TERRORIST ENEMY WE KNEWAL QAEDA WANTED TO ATTACK

AMERICA.

THEY HAD ALREADY BOMBED THEWORLD TRADE CENTER IN 1993.

AND TWO, WE GOT A MEMO THATSAID THAT THEY WANTED TO DO

THAT.

KIND OF A GIVEAWAY.

IS ISIS THE SAME KIND OFTHREAT TO AMERICA?

>> WE'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY, OFCOURSE, THAT INTELLIGENCE

OFFICIALS DON'T BELIEVEISIS RIGHT NOW POSES A

THREAT TO THE U.S. HOMELAND.

>> Jon: OR TO PUT THAT IN ADIFFERENT WAY.

>> THIS IS NOT SOMALIA THISIS NOT YEMEN, THIS IS A

TURNING POINT IN THE WAR ONTERROR.

OUR STRATEGY WILL FAIL YETAGAIN.

THIS PRESIDENT NEEDS TO RISETO THE OCCASION BEFORE WE

ALL GET KILLED BACK HERE ATHOME.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: HERE'S MY IMPRESSION

OF EVERYONE WHO CRAWLED OUT OFBED HUNGOVER SUNDAY MORNING

AND TURNED ON THE TV TO SEELINDSEY GRAHAM.

>> BEFORE WE ALL GET KILLEDBACK HERE AT HOME.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: REALLY?

(LAUGHTER)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: ALL OF US?

(LAUGHTER)OF COURSE-- OF COURSE WE

HAVE TO TAKE THE-- WE'RE ALLGOING TO DIE-- WE HAVE TO

TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLYBECAUSE OF LINDSEY GRAHAM'S

REPUTATION FOR EVEN-KEELEDUNDERSTATEMENT, LIKE WHEN HE

WAS TALKING ABOUT NOTLETTING PEOPLE HAVE ASSAULT

WEAPONS.

>> IF MY FAMILY WAS IN THECROSS HAIRS OF GANGS THAT

WERE ROAMING AROUNDNEIGHBORHOODS IN NEW ORLEANS

OR ANY OTHER LOCATION, THEDETERRENT EFFECT OF AN AR-15

TO PROTECT MY FAMILY I THINKIS GREATER THAN A DOUBLE

BARREL SHOTGUN.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: ON BALANCING THE

BUDGET.

>> ALL THIS TALK ABOUT FEAR,IT'S REAL.

WE'RE ON AN UNSUSTAINABLEPATH WHEN IT COMES TO OUR

NATION.

>> Jon: ON IRAN'S NUCLEARPROGRAM.

>> WE'RE WALKING DOWN THEROAD TO ARMAGEDDON.

>> Jon: THE POOR MAN LIVESHIS ENTIRE LIFE TRAPPED IN

THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT.

FOR GOD'S SAKES, I HAVE SEEN

CHIHUAHUAS IN HANDBAGS WHO ARE

LESS FRETFUL AND SHAKING.

(LAUGHTER)BUT EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE,

LINDSEY GRAHAM HAS SUSTAINEDTHIS LEVEL OF PANIC FOR 13

YEARS. EVEN THOUGHMANY OF THE BOOGEYMEN THAT LIVE

UNDER HIS BED, AREN'T REALLYTHERE AT ALL.

>> THERE WILL BE NO PEACE IN

OUR TIME AS LONG AS WE HAVETHE POLITICS OF APPEASEMENT

AND LET A GUY LIKE SADDAMHUSSEIN GET AWAY WITH

BUILDING MOBILE BIOLOGICALWEAPONS SYSTEMS, LARGER

MISSILES, PROCURRING MATERIALSTHAT COULD ONLY BE USED IN

NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

FOR US TO SIT BACK WOULD BE ANATIONAL TRAVESTY.

>> ACT NOW OR WE WILL PAYLATER.

>> Jon: DID I SAY OR, IMEANT AND.

(LAUGHTER)FOR MORE ON SENATOR GRAHAM'S

ISIS COMMENTS WE GO TO OURSENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY

CORRESPONDENT SAMANTHA BEELIVE AT SENATOR GRAHAM'S OFFICE

RIGHT NOW.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)SAM...

>> YES.>> Jon: WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU

HEARING FROM SENATOR GRAHAM?

>> WELL, JON, THE SENATOR'SSTAFF TELL ME IT'S WE'RE ALL

GOING TO DIE COMMENT WAS TAKENCOMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT.

GRAHAM IS ON THE SENATEARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE.

HE HAS A FULL, NUANCEDUNDERSTANDING OF THE

ISIS THREAT...

>> HELP ME, HELP ME! I'M BEINGATTACKED BY A TERRIBLE MONSTER.

OH HELP...

>> Jon: SAM, WHAT WAS THAT?

WHAT WAS THAT?

>> OH THAT, THAT, OH, THATIS JUST A HIGH LEVEL POLICY

DISCUSSION SENATOR GRAHAM ISHAVING WITH --

>> WHO'S THERE? WHO'STHERE? STAY AWAY, STAY BACK,

I'M ARMED AND DANGEROUS.I'M DANGEROUS.

>> K, YEAH. SOUNDS LIKE HE'SWRAPPING UP.

>> Jon: SAM, I KNOW ISIS ARE BADBUT THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE AN

AIR FORCE OR A SUSTAINABLEIDEOLOGY.

IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEMCAUSING DAMAGE HERE AT HOME,

IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO CAUSEDAMAGE BUT I BELIEVE FEWER

THAN ALL OF US WILL DIE,THAT'S WHAT I --

>> OF COURSE. YES, OF COURSE.

I KNOW HE KNOWS THAT.

HE'S JUST URGING CAUTION ANDVIGILANCE AS HE DID LAST MONTH

WHEN HE PROPOSED THE MANDATORY

NIGHT LIGHT ACT OF 2014.>> Jon: THAT'S, THAT'S...

>> MONSTER, MONSTER!

YOU FOUL, FOUL BEAST.

>> Jon: WHAT'S THAT. WHAT IS...

>> OH NO.

>> Jon: WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> OKAY, WELL THAT SOUNDEDLIKE EITHER A SENSIBLE

DISCUSSION OF TROOP LEVELSOR SENATOR GRAHAM JUST FLUNG

A CRYSTAL DECANTER THROUGH AFULL LENGTH MIRROR.

>> Jon: BECAUSE?

>> HE CAUGHT AREFLECTION OF HIMSELF AND HE

THOUGHT IT WAS SADDAMHUSSEIN.

>> Jon: ALRIGHT, LOOK. THISIS...

>> STAY BACK YOU! DON'T COME...OH WAIT, MERCY ME, I THOUGHT WAS

FIVE ISIS MILITANTS COMING TOGET ME.

TURNS OUT IT WAS MY OWNLITTLE HAND REACHING FOR MY

COFFEE MUG. LORDY, MY HEART'STHUMPING FASTER THAN A

JACK RABBIT IN AHUCKLEBERRY PIE.

>> OH JON, HE'S WORKING ON IT,OKAY.

BABY STEPS.

>> Jon: I UNDERSTAND, THANKYOU, SAM.

SAMANTHA BEE, EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT ADOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER, HIS

LATEST IS PBS'S "THE ROOSEVELTS:AN INTIMATE HISTORY."

>> THEY BELONGED TODIFFERENT PARTIES.

THEY OVERCAME DIFFERENTOBSTACLES.

THEY HAD DIFFERENTTEMPERMENTS AND STYLES OF

LEADERSHIP.

BUT IT WAS THE SIMILARITIESAND NOT THE DIFFERENCES

BETWEEN THE TWO THAT MEANTTHE MOST TO HISTORY.

BOTH WERE CHILDREN OFPRIVILEGE WHO CAME TO SEE

THEMSELVES AS CHAMPIONS OFTHE WORKING MAN AND EARNED

THE UNDYING ENMITY OF MANYOF THOSE AMONG WHOM THEY'D

GROWN TO MANHOOD.

THEY SHARED A SENSE OFSTEWARTSHIP OF THE

AMERICAN LAND, AN UNFAMEDLOVE FOR PEOPLE AND POLITICS.

>> Jon: PEOPLE SHOULD HAVEBOUGHT COLORED SHIRTS BACK THEN.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEYWOULDN'T.

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THEPROGRAM KEN BURNS.

TAKE IT IN, TAKE IT IN.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)KEN BURNS, IN A CAREER OF

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)KEN BURNS, IN A CAREER OF

WONDERFUL FILMS, THISIS-- I'M NOT GOING TO SAY

THE PINNACLE BECAUSE YOUWILL PROBABLY GO HIGHER.

BUT THIS IS A REMARKABLEPIECE OF WORK.

>> THESE ARE THREE GREATPEOPLE THAT WE JUST DON'T

HAVE AROUND THIS KIND OF FOLKAND CALIBER TODAY.

AND THEY WERE AMAZING LEADERSAND THEY WERE ALL FOR THE

IDEA THAT WHEN WE ALL DOWELL, WE ALL DO WELL.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

BUT YOU KNOW IT'SINTERESTING, YOU BRING UP,

WE DON'T HAVE THIS CALIBEROF LEADER ANY MORE.

IT IS MY BELIEF THAT WEPROBABLY MAKE THESE KIND OF

PEOPLE.

BUT WE DESTROY THEM.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

WE DON'T-- I'M WRONG.

WE DON'T SELECT FOR THEM.>> Jon: YES.

>> WE THINK THAT HEROES HAVE TOBE PERFECT AND WHEN WE DISCOVER

THE FIRST FLAW WE'RE LIKETHE SKY IS FALLING, LINDSEY

GRAHAM.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT WHEN WE DISCOVER...(LAUGHTER)

THAT WAS INCREDIBLE...

>> Jon: HOW WOULD TEDDYROOSEVELT BE KNOCKED

DOWN AND NOT BE ELECTABLE TODAY?

>> WELL, HE'S TOO HOT FORTHIS COOL MEDIUM OF

TELEVISION.

YOU KNOW, HE WOULDN'T MAKEIT OUT OF IOWA BECAUSE HE'D HAVE

TEN HOWARD DEANMOMENTS A DAY, YOU KNOW.

DELIGHTED! AND HE WOULDN'T DOIT...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND FRANKLIN ROOSEVELTOBVIOUSY IS IN A WHEELCHAIR

SO HE COULDN'T LIFT US UPTHROUGH THE DEPRESSION AND

GET US THROUGH THE SECONDWORLD WAR, THE TWO GREAT

CRISES OF THE CIVIL WAR.

I THINK WE HAVE FORGOTTENTHAT HEROISM IS ACTUALLY THIS

NEGOTIATION, SOMETIMES EVENA WAR BETWEEN A PERSON'S

VERY OBVIOUS STRENGTHS ANDTHEIR MAYBE NOT SO OBVIOUS

WEAKNESSES.

AND IT IS THAT NEGOTIATIONTHAT DEFINES HEROISM.

AND THEN WE'RE JUST READY TOTHROW THEM OUT THE FIRST

TIME THEY ARE ONE STEP SHORTOF PERFECTION.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND OF COURSE THAT MEANSTHERE IS NOBODY OUT THERE

THAT WE COULD TRUST.

BUT YOU MEET THESE PEOPLE.

ALL OF THE ISSUES OF THEIRDAY ARE THE ISSUES OF OUR DAY.

WHAT IS THE ROLE OFGOVERNMENT?

WHAT IS THE NATUREOF LEADERSHIP?

HOW DO YOU BALANCE IDEALISMAND PRAGMATISM, THIS IS THE

STUFF OF NOW.

AND ELEANOR IS DEALING WITHTHINGS WITH WOMEN AND

POVERTY...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND CHILDREN AND IMMIGRATIONAND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

AND SHE'S RIGHT ON ALL OFTHESE THINGS AND SHE'S 30

YEARS EARLY, 40 YEARS, 50YEARS.

WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUTTHE SAME ISSUES.

AND SO I THINK THAT IN MANYWAYS, THEIR LIVES, AS DEEP

FLAWED AS ALL THREE OF THEMARE, AS DEEPLY WOUNDED.

AND THEY ALL HAD TO ESCAPETHE SPECIFIC GRAVITY OF

THESE CHILDHOOD WOUNDS, THEYREMAIN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT

FOR US TO REMEMBER INPUTTING SOME SORT OF

PANTHEON...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND REMEMBER HOWTHEY DEALT WITH STUFF.

>> Jon: I'M STRUCK BY THEAUDACITY OF EACH OF THESE

INDIVIDUALS.

THE SPECTACULAR FAILURES.

>> YES.

>> Jon: THERE WAS VERYLITTLE THAT WAS THE

POLITICAL OR THE PRAGMATIC.>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD TOWORK THEIR WAY THROUGH VARIOUS

CHECKS ON PRESIDENT POWER.

BUT THE AUDACITY OF WHATTHEY WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH IS

VERY STRIKING, AND HOW THEYUSED THE PRESIDENTIAL

PULPIT, YOU KNOW, WE LEARN A LOTABOUT WELL, YOU CAN'T, THROUGH

CONGRESS...>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND EVERYBODY.

MAN, TEDDY ROOSEVELT WENTAFTER BIG BUSINESS.

FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT, GOOD,HATE ME, I DON'T CARE.

>> YES, EXACTLY.

THE MALEFACTORS OF GREATWEALTH.

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> I WELCOME YOUR HATRED.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> NO, NO, AND HE'S ONEOF, AND THEN THE GREAT

THING IS THE FLEXIBILITY.

HE TURNS AROUND, FRANKLIN TURNSAROUND AFTER MAKING

ENEMIES ALL THROUGH THE '30sAND SAYS, HEY, GUESS WHAT, I'M

GOING TO MAKE YOU A LOT OFMONEY.

YOU NEED TO OUTPRODUCEEVERYBODY ELSE AND BY THE

END OF WORLD WAR II MORETHAN 50% OF ALL THE

MANUFACTURING IS HAPPENINGIN THE UNITED STATES.

AND THAT'S FRANKLINROOSEVELT SAYING NOPE, 5,000

PLANES IS NOT ENOUGH THISYEAR, I NEED 50,000 PLANES,

YOU CAN'T DO THAT,MR. PRESIDENT.

YOU WILL DO IT, AND THEY DID DOIT.

AND IT WAS BECAUSE YOU HADSOMEBODY SAYING YOU WILL DO IT.

IT IS THAT AUDACITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM SOREMARKABLE.

THE KEY IS FEAR.

ALL OF THEM HAD TO FACE FEARIN SOME WAY.

>> Jon: RIGHT. WELL, TEDDY HADTHE HEALTH ISSUES AS A CHILD,

HE WAS AN ASTHMATIC.

>> HEALTH AND UNBELIEVABLETRAGEDY.

HIS WIFE AND HIS MOTHER...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> DIED ON THE SAME DAY IN THESAME HOUSE ON 20th STREET.

>> Jon: RIGHT. IT WASVALENTINE'S DAY, RIGHT?

>> IT WAS VALENTINE'S DAY.>> Jon: YEAH, YEAH.

>> I MEAN, IT'S JUST HORRIBLE.

AND HE WAS HIMSELFSUSCEPTIBLE TO DEPRESSION.

HE CAME FROM A FAMILY OFMENTAL ILLNESS AND

ALCOHOLISM.

AND SO HE SAID BLACK CARECAN RARELY SIT BEHIND A

RIDER WHOSE PACE IS FASTENOUGH, WHICH IS A NICE 19th

CENTURY WAY OF SAYING YOUCAN OUTRUN YOUR DEMONS.

>> Jon: WOW.

>> AND HIS FAVORITE NIECEELEANOR WAS THE SAME WAY.

THEY WERE IN CONSTANT MOTION,WHICH MAKES FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT

EVEN MORE SPECTACULAR BECAUSEWHEN HE COULD

LONGER TAKE A STEP, UNAIDED.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> HE'S, HE CAN'T OUTRUN ANYDEMONS.

HE'S STILL WILLING TO FACETHAT FEAR IN THE BEST SORT

OF WAY.

AND ELEANOR HAS THISHORRIBLE CHILDHOOD.

YOU KNOW, BOTH PARENTS ARE GONEBY THE TIME SHE'S TEN.

SHE'S WITH REPRESSIVE, PIOUSRELATIVES THAT WITH TWO, WITH A

AN ABUSIVE NURSE AND TWOALCOHOLIC UNCLES.

AND SHE IS A FEARFUL PERSONWHO DECIDES TO WAKE UP EVERY

DAY.

EVERY SINGLE DAY OF HER LIFEAND FACE THE FEAR.

>> RIGHT. RIGHT. RIGHT.

>> AND WHICH IS AN AMAZING,AMAZING THING.

>> I MEAN, I THINK THE LESSONHERE IS RELATIVELY CLEAR IN THAT

WE HAVE BEEN TREATING OURCHILDREN TOO WELL.

>> YES.

RIGHT. EXACTLY.

>> AND THAT IF WE WANTGREATNESS.

>> WE NEED TO HAVE TRAGEDY.

>>Jon: WE NEED TO ABANDON.

>> AND CORPORAL PUNISHMENT.

>> Jon: WILL YOU, WILL YOU STICKAROUND.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: WE'LL TALK A LITTLE MOREABOUT THE BREADTH OF THE

PROJECT AND HOW YOU WENT ABOUTCREATING IT.

BECAUSE IT IS, I MEAN, IT'SMAGNIFICENT.

IT'S ALREADY RUNNING NOW ONPBS.

>> YEAH. STARTED LAST NIGHT.

>> BIGGER RATINGS THANANYTHING BUT FOOTBALL.

AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TOTAKE FOOTBALL.

I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TOTAKE FOOTBALL.

7-PART ROOSEVELT SERIES,IT'S RUNNING AT 8:00 P.M. ON

PBS EACH NIGHT THIS WEEKTHROUGH SATURDAY.

AND THE BOOK IS CALLED "THEROOSEVELTS: AN INTIMATE

HISTORY." IT'S ON THE BOOKSHELVES NOW AS WELL.

KEN BURNS, EVERYBODY.

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

THAT'S OUR SHOW.

JOIN US TOMORROW NIGHT AT11:00.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT ANORDER.

I'M REQUESTING YOU JOIN USTOMORROW NIGHT AT 11:00.

I WOULD IN NO WAY DEMAND IT.

CERTAINLY YOU MIGHT HAVETHINGS TO DO.

BUT WE-- BUT THEY WILL BEHERE.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> HAYDEN IS THE FORMER HEADOF THE CIA.

>> AT THE STRATEGIC LEVEL,AIR POWER HAS ALL THE

ATTRACTION OF CASUAL SEX.

IT OFFERS GRATIFICATION BUTWITH LIMITED COMMITMENT.

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