August 5, 2014 - Helen Thorpe

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Jessica Williams does some dubious health reporting, Michael Che investigates a particular kind of brand-name loyalty, and Helen Thorpe discusses her book "Soldier Girls." 

>> Jon: HEY, WELCOME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELCOME TO "THE DAILY SHOW."

VERY EXCITED TO SEE YOU HERETONIGHT.

WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS SHOW.

WE'VE BEEN PLANNING IT ALMOSTALL DAY.

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, HELEN THORPE.

SHE IS THE AUTHOR OF "SOLDIERGIRLS: THE BATTLES OF THREE

WOMEN AT HOME AND AT WAR."

BUT FIRST, BEFORE WE EVEN GET TOTHE SHOW, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING,

IT'S BEEN A LONG SUMMER.

WE'VE GOT GOOD NEWS.

GOOD NEWS.

THEY DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IT.

[LAUGHTER]

THEY'RE JUST SITTING THEREWAITING FOR IT. GOOD NEWS?

I'LL GIVE YOU THAT. THE SUMMERSTARTED OUT A LITTLE

DOOMSDAY-Y. BUTTHINGS ARE SETTLING DOWN.

YOU GOT YOUR PUTIN THERE FINALLYBEING SANCTIONED.

SO, HE'S CALMING DOWN, HE'SMAYBE PUTTING A SHIRT ON.

[LAUGHTER]YOU GOT A CEASEFIRE FINALLY IN

GAZA.

OH, PLEASE LET IT HOLD.

TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO TAKE ABREATH, CALM DOWN.

IT'S ALL GOOD.

>> EBOLA ALERT.

>> FAST-GROWING EBOLA OUTBREAK.

>> ONE OF THE MOST FEARED ANDDEADLY DISEASES ON EARTH.

>> SURGING OUT OF CONTROL.

>> Jon: WHAT THE [BLEEPED]!

OH, MY GOD.

WHAT THE [BLEEPED].

[APPLAUSE][BLEEPED]

THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A GOODGIF.

ALL RIGHT.

WHAT THE [BLEEPED].

FIRST IT WAS WAR.

THEN IT WAS PLAGUE. WE'RE EITHERIN THE END TIMES OR A SCI-FI

ORIGINAL MOVIE.

WE'RE ALL IN DANGER.

>> THE WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATIONREPORTS THERE ARE NOW 1,603

CASES IN WEST AFRICA.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: OH, I DIDN'T UH, WELL,

THAT'S TERRIBLE FORTHOSE COUNTRIES.

I DIDN'T REALIZE.

ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS I WON'T BE NEEDING THIS.

WHY DON'T I JUST CUT IT UP FORPARTS BECAUSE ONCE YOU,

YOU KNOW, YOU GOT CUT THE HOODUP BEFORE YOU THROW IT AWAY,

OTHERWISE I THINK DOLPHINS GETSTUCK IN IT OR SOMETHING.

[LAUGHTER]>> THERE ARE NEW FEARS TONIGHT

ABOUT THE EBOLA OUTBREAK RIGHTHERE IN NEW YORK CITY.

DOCTORS AT MT. SINAI HOSPITALARE PERFORMING TESTS ON A

PATIENT WHO IS SHOWING POSSIBLESYMPTOMS OF THE VIRUS.

>> Jon: MOTHER [BLEEPED].

[LAUGHTER][CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

[LAUGHTER][CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

HOW DO WE KNOW THIS PATIENT EVENHAS EBOLA?

>> THE MALE PATIENT ARRIVED HERETO THE EMERGENCY ROOM EARLY THIS

MORNING WITH A HIGH FEVER ANDGASTROINTESTINAL SYMPTOMS, WHICH

COULD BE CAUSED BY MANYDIFFERENT ILLNESSES.

>> Jon: YEAH, NO KIDDING.

HE'S GOT A FEVER AND DIARRHEA.

THAT'S IT?

I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING HE COULDHAVE EBOLA, OR MAYBE HE JUST GOT

HIS LUNCH HERE.

[LAUGHTER]IT'S WHAT WE IN NEW YORK CALL

OUR-BOLA.[LAUGHTER]

DID YOU KNOW THAT ALL NEW YORKDOCTORS ARE ACTUALLY TRAINED TO

ASK, HAVE YOU BEEN TO WESTAFRICA OR EATEN

AT A SALAD BAR THAT ALSO SELLSCONDOMS AND CIGARETTES?

WELL, WHILE WE WAIT FOR THERESULTS OF THE EBOLA TEST, I'M

SURE THE HOSPITAL IS TAKINGEVERY PRECAUTION.

>> THE HOSPITAL SAID ALL THENECESSARY STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN

TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OFPATIENTS, VISITORS AND STAFF.

THE HOSPITAL SAYS THEY WILLCONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH

FEDERAL, STATE AND CITYOFFICIALS.

>> Jon: I'M NOT ANEPIDEMOLOGIST OR IMMUNOLOGIST OR

VERSED IN DISEASE CONTROL, BUT AGOOD START TO A SOLID QUARANTINE

I THINK WOULD BE SHUTTING THAT[BLEEPED] DOOR.

AM I, AM I WRONG HERE? WHAT? YOUGOT...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]I MEAN, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TRYING

PULL A QUARANTINE.

EBOLA COULD JUST STROLL RIGHTOUTSIDE.

IT WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO HURRY.

DO-DO-DO.

NOW LOOK PROBABLY THIS GUYDOESN'T EVEN HAVE EBOLA, BUT IF

HE DOES, IS THE CITY SCREWED?

>> DR. ALEXANDER VANTULLEKEN TELLS ME EVEN AN

ACTUAL EBOLA CASE INNEW YORK CITY WOULD NOT

BE CAUSE FOR PANIC.

>> IT'S NOT LIKE FLU WHERE ITCAN BE CARRIED IN DROPLETS IN

THE AIR.

EBOLA NEEDS DIRECT CONTACT WITHBODILY FLUIDS CONTAINING THE

VIRUS.

>> Jon: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUPEOPLE, BUT I THINK DR. AFLAC

HERE JUST GAVE ME SOME EBOLA.

RIGHT HERE.

DIRECT CONTACT WITH BODILYFLUIDS, HUH? WORTH IT.

[LAUGHTER]SO MAYBE IT'S NOT TOO BAD, EVEN

IF THIS PATIENT IS INFECTED, WECAN HANDLE ONE CASE.

THIS IS NEW YORK CITY, BABY.

AS LONG AS ALL THE OTHER CASESSTAY OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

>> THE SECOND AMERICAN DOCTORINFECTED WITH THE EBOLA VIRUS

HAS JUST LANDED IN ATLANTA.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: SO WE'RE IMPORTING

EBOLA NOW.

THAT'S GOT TO BE THE WORSTAIRPORT PICK-UP GIG EVER.

NOW, DON'T THESE PEOPLE REALIZEEBOLA HAS NO TREATMENT, NO CURE,

NO TREATMENT.

SURE, YOU BRING 'EM HERE TO THEUNITED STATES.

WHAT ARE THEY EVEN GOING DO FORTHESE PATIENTS?

>> DOCTORS ARE TRYING OUT ABRAND-NEW APPROACH TO FIGHTING

THE DISEASE WITH AN EXPERIMENTALSERUM.

>> TOP-SECRET SERUM.

>> MAGIC SERUM.

>> HIS BREATHING STRAIGHTENEDOUT, THE RASH ON HIS BODY WENT

AWAY AND HIS VITAL SIGNS ALL,EVERYTHING SORT OF RETURNED TO A

MORE NORMAL STATE.

>> Jon: OH, MY GOD, THERE'SAPPARENTLY A CURE FOR EBOLA FOR

AMERICANS. [LAUGHTER]

YOU KNOW, I IMAGINE THERE'SA CONTINENT RIGHT ABOUT NOW

GOING, UM, I HAVE AN IDEA,WHY DON'T YOU SAVE [BLEEPED]

FOR MOSQUITO NETS AND GIVE USSOME OF THAT EBOLA JUICE.

MEANWHILE, SENIOR HEALTHCORRESPONDENT JESSICA WILLIAMS

HAS MORE ON THE POTENTIALOUTBREAK.

JESS, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOININGUS. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

>> OH, MY GOODNESS, THANKS FORHAVING ME.

>> Jon: THANK YOU FOR BEINGHERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: JESS, JESS, IS THISREALLY HAPPENING?

>> JON, EBOLA'S REAL AS[BLEEPED].

AND IT'S RIGHT HERE IN NEWYORK.

>> Jon: ARE YOU, JESSICA, AREYOU SERIOUS?

>> YES, JON, I'M SO SERIOUS.

EBOLA IS IN NEW YORK SPREADINGFAST THROUGH CHELSEA, THE WEST

VILLAGE AND TRIBECA ANDESPECIALLY LOCATIONS WITHIN A

FEW BLOCKS OF THE 123 SUBWAYLINE.

RESIDENTS IN THOSE AREAS MUSTLEAVE THEIR APARTMENTS NOW, JON.

NOW!

>> Jon: THAT IS, JESSICA, THATIS INCREDIBLE.

THIS IS THE FIRST THAT I HAVEHEARD OF THIS, THAT I HAVE BEEN

TOLD OF THIS.

YOU'VE BROKEN SOME NEWS.

JUST THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, JESS?

>> WELL, I MEAN, JON, IT COULDALSO HIT A COUPLE OF NICE

NEIGHBORHOODS IN BROOKLYN, TOO,BUT DEFINITELY NOTHING OFF THE G

TRAIN, JON, DEFINITELY NOT.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: JESS, ARE THERE ANY

MORE SPECIFICS?

>> OH, YEAH, JON, HOLD ON.>> Jon: YES.

>> I'M BEING TOLD THE EBOLACOULD REALLY HIT HARDEST IN

PREWAR BUILDINGS WITH GOODSTORAGE AND WASHER DRYERS.

YEAH, JON, AND I REALLY MEANIN-UNIT WASHER/DRYERS, NOT ANY

OF THAT NEXT DOOR, AROUND THECORNER BULL [BLEEPED].

>> Jon: WAIT, I...>> REALLY.

>> Jon: I SEE.

HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING IN THEOUTER BOROUGHS, QUEENS AND THE

BRONX.

>> OH YEAH, [BLEEPED] NO.

EBOLA IS NOT GOING TO SPEND ANHOUR COMMUTING EVERY DAMN DAY.

NO JON, EBOLA IS DEFINITELYNOT PRESENT IN QUEENS, BUT IF

YOU LIVE IN AN UPPER WEST SIDEONE BEDROOM WITH BIG

SOUTH-FACING WINDOWS, ORIGINALDETAILS, A STEAM SHOWER AND A

DOORMAN, YOU DEFINITELY WANT TOGET THE HELL OUT OF THERE.

DEFINITELY.

>> Jon: JESSICA, YOU KNOW, IHESITATE TO BRING THIS UP

OBVIOUSLY.>> Jon: SURE.

>> Jon: YOUR CREDENTIALSREPORTING IN THE HEALTH FIELD

ARE IMPECCABLE. >> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: BUT IT APPEARS YOU'REUSING THIS EBOLA SCARE TO CREATE

A REAL ESTATE OPPORTUNITY FORYOURSELF.

>> WHAT?

>> Jon: NO, THAT'S JUST...THAT'S JUST GENERAL...

>> JON, HOW DARE YOU!>> Jon: I'M JUST SUGGESTING...

>> I AM A PROFESSIONAL NEWSWOMAN OF AUTHORITY.

>> Jon: NO, I JUST... >> I WOULD NEVER EVER...

[COUGHING] >> Jon: JESS?

JESS, ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? JESS?

>> OH [BLEEPED]. I GOT THEVIRUS, JON!

>> Jon: WHAT? WHAT?

>> I HAVE THE DANGEROUSEBOLA, JON.

>> Jon: WHAT?

>> I THINK I NEED TO BEQUARANTINED UP IN THAT PENTHOUSE

FOR $1,100 A MONTH ANDLIKE NO BROKERS FEE.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT, JESSICA,JESSICA WILLIAMS, EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

NOW, AS YOU KNOW, AMERICABELIEVES IN NAME BRANDS.

YOU'VE GOT YOUR FORD, YOURJOHNSON & JOHNSON, YOUR

KARDASHIAN. YOU KNOW WHATYOU'RE GOING TO GET.

BUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TOPOLITICS?

MICHAEL CHE HAS MORE.

>> AMERICA IS GRIPPED WITH A LOTOF UNCERTAINTY THESE DAYS, BUT

THE ELECTION 2016 WILL OFFER ABIT OF SECURITY.

>> I THINK SOMETHING THAT'SEXCITING ABOUT THE ELECTION

2016 IS YOU HAVE TWO BRANDSTHAT YOU KNOW -- HILLARY CLINTON

AND JEB BUSH.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, THE COKE ANDPEPSI OF POLITICS ARE BACK.

>> IF IT'S A CLINTON BRAND,YOU'RE ALL GOOD TO GO, A

BUSH BRAND, ALL GOOD TO GO.

>> SO OBAMA, HE'S LIKE A GENERICBRAND ALMOST, LIKE AN OFF BRAND?

>> YEAH, HE WAS BRAND THAT WEHAD NOT HEARD OF BEFORE.

>> WHEN I WAS A KID, I REMEMBERMY DAD GOT ME A FOUR-STRIPE

ADIDAS.

I DON'T WANT A FOUR-STRIPEADIDAS PRESIDENT.

>> I THINK WE CAN BOTH AGREE ONTHAT.

>> EXACTLY.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SHOP FOR APRESIDENT AT FAMILY DOLLAR?

THANKFULLY 2016 WILL HAVE NAMESYOU CAN TRUST.

>> THIS IS EXCITING BECAUSE WEKNOW THE BRAND.

WE AIN'T GOT READ THE BROCHURE.YOU FEEL ME?

>> YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE.

YOU'RE JUST WAITING FOR THESEQUEL TO COME OUT.

>> WE TRIED OUR BLACK GUY PHASE.

IT'S OVER.

NOW WE NEED TO GET BACK TO WHATWORKS.

>> WHICH IS CLINTON OR BUSH.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY WHITEDUDES.

>> WELL, OR WHITE WOMEN.

>> YET SOME, LIKE POLITICALSCIENTIST JONATHAN ZIMMERMAN,

REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THETIME THAT COULD BE SAVED BY

GOING WITH THE NAME YOU KNOW.

>> WE DON'T NEED A BRAND NAME INTHE WHITE HOUSE.

IT'S A GIANT COUNTRY AND WESHOULD BE CASTING THE WIDEST

POSSIBLE NET IN TRYING TO FINDABLE LEADERS FOR OURSELVES.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEIRNAME OR THEIR BLOOD LINE IS.

>> WOULD YOU VOTE FOR PHILIPHITLER?

[LAUGHTER]>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY NAMED

HITLER IS GOING TO RUN FORPRESIDENT OR ANYTHING ELSE.

>> CAUSE THAT BRAND IS RUINED.

>> I WOULDN'T PERSONALLY CAREWHAT THE GUY'S NAME WAS.

>> YOU WOULDN'T CARE WHAT PHILHITLER'S NAME WAS?

>> NO.

BUT LOTS OVER PEOPLE WOULD, ANDPHIL HITLER, OUR IMAGINARY PHIL

HITLER WOULD KNOW THAT, SO HEWOULD RUN AS PHIL HOOVER OR...

>> WHAT ABOUT FRED BIN LADEN?

>> I DON'T THINK HE WOULD DOTHAT.

>> YES, THE GREAT FAMILY NAMESOF THIS COUNTRY TELL US WHO WE

ARE AS A NATION.

SO WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER EAT,THIS DELICIOUS, SUCCULENT

McDONALD'S BURGER, OR THISBURGER MADE BY SOME DUDE WHO HAS

BEEN CRAFTING BURGERS WITH ALLORGANIC HANDMADE INGREDIENTS?

>> THE BURGER CRAFTED BY THEORGANIC CRAFTSMAN DUDE, OF

COURSE.

>> GIVE ME A COKE, SOME FRENCHFRIES, THAT McDONALD'S

HAMBURGER, I'M DONE.

>> SADLY OTHER'S SHAREZIMMERMAN'S DANGEROUS POINT OF

VIEW.

>> IF WE CAN'T FIND MORE THANTWO OR THREE FAMILIES TO RUN FOR

HIGH OFFICE, THAT'S SILLY.

>> WHAT IF ZIMMERMAN AND BABSARE RIGHT?

MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T JUST DEPENDON TWO OR THREE FAMILIES.

THERE HAD TO BE SOMEONE ELSE OUTTHERE, BUT WHO?

>> I AM THE GREAT, GREAT, GREATGRANDDAUGHTER OF OUR EIGHTH

PRESIDENT, MARTIN VAN BUREN.

[LAUGHTER]>> I DON'T SEE IT.

OH, WAIT.

OH, YEAH, I SEE IT NOW.

YOU GOT THE WHOLE THING.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

LILY VAN BUREN WAS PERFECT, ANOFFSPRING OF A PRESIDENT SO

FORGETTABLE HE WOULDN'T OFFENDTHE LEFT OR THE RIGHT.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY THE VAN BURENNAME IS SYNONYMOUS WITH... WHAT

IS IT SYNONYMOUS WITH?

I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

>> INTEGRITY.

>> OKAY.

>> INBRED LEADERSHIP QUALITIES.

>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO STAY AWAYFROM "INBRED," BUT GO ON.

>> OH YEAH, SO, MARTIN VAN BURENHAD THE GIFT OF LEADERSHIP.

>> SHE HAD TO RUN.

THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO WAS TOTEST THIS NEW-OLD BRAND IN FRONT

OF THE PEOPLE THAT MATTEREDMOST, POTENTIAL STAFFERS WHO'D

WORK FOR FREE.

I BRING TO YOU THE NEXTPRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,

LILY VAN BUREN.

[APPLAUSE]>> MY FELLOW AMERICANS, ARE YOU

BETTER OFF NOW THAN YOU WERE 126YEARS AGO?

I WILL FREE AMERICA FROM ITSDEPENDENCE ON BIG WHALE OIL.

WE WILL STOP THE PERSIAN EMPIREFROM GETTING THE GATLIN GUN.

YES, WE VAN.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. YES WE VAN.

>> IT WAS A SUCCESS.

LOOK OUT, JEB, HILLARY AND PHILHITLER, THIS CLASSIC AMERICAN

BRAND IS BACK.

>> IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NAME ANDYOU HAVE THE NAME.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, LILY VANBUREN.

>> WELL, ON MY DRIVER'S LICENSE,I'M MARY LEE WITMER.

>> WAIT.

WHAT?

WITMER.

>> WITMER. THAT'S MY MARRIEDNAME.

>> WELL, CLOSE ENOUGH.

>> Jon: MICHAEL CHE. WE'LL BERIGHT BACK.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, AN AUTHOR.

HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED "SOLDIERGIRLS: THE BATTLES OF THREE

WOMEN AT HOME AND AT WAR."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAMHELEN THORPE.

HELLO.

HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M GREAT. HOW ARE YOU?

>> Jon: NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> IT'S VERY NICE TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU.

>> Jon: THANK YOU FOR BEINGHERE.

>> IT'S MY PLEASURE.

>> Jon: WHAT A WONDERFUL BOOK.

"SOLDIER GIRLS."

YOU KNOW, WAR STORIES ARE SODIFFICULT TO TELL BENEATH THE

KIND OF THE TENT POST ORCARICATURED VISION...

>> YEAH.>> Jon: THAT PEOPLE HAVE FOR IT.

TO TELL THE STORY OF WOMEN ATWAR.

IT'S SUCH A DIFFERENT PLACE TOGO WITH IT.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND IT REALLY, THE BOOKFEELS VERY FRESH IN THAT WAY.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

>> Jon: HOW LONG DID YOU FOLLOWAND HOW DID YOU CHOOSE THE WOMEN

THAT YOU FOLLOWED?

>> SO I MET THEM FIRST IN 2010.

AND AT THAT POINT THEY HADALREADY DONE TWO TOURS OF DUTY

AND WERE BACK.

AND I SPOKE TO THEM.

ACTUALLY, FOR FOUR YEARS.

THE WHOLE PROJECT TOOK FOURYEARS.

SO THEY WENT THROUGH HOURS ANDHOURS AND HOURS OF INTERVIEWS

WITH ME.

>> Jon: VERY REVEALING.BY THE WAY...

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: THEIR COURAGE NOTONLY TO GO INTO THOSE WAR ZONES,

BUT IN THE WAY THEY DISCUSSTHEIR LIVES.

>> I THOUGHT THEY WEREINCREDIBLY BRAVE AND CANDID.

THEY SHARED WITH ME LETTERS ANDE-MAILS AND DIARIES, EVEN

THERAPY NOTES.

>> Jon: AND IT WAS INTERESTING,THEIR CHALLENGES WERE DIFFERENT.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: YOU HAD ONE WOMAN WHOHAD THREE CHILDREN...

>> RIGHT.>> Jon: ANOTHER WHO WAS SINGLE.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: ANOTHER WHO WAS GOING TOBE A GRANDMOTHER.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: I MEAN, THERE WASA, EVEN THOUGH THEY ALL

KNEW EACH OTHER...>> YEAH.

>> Jon: THEY COMEFROM VERY DIFFERENT PLACES.

>> RIGHT, REALLY DIFFERENT LIFESTAGES.

SO I MET THE YOUNGEST OF THETHREE WOMEN FIRST.

HER NAME IN THE BOOK IS MICHELLEFISHER. AND UM...

>> Jon: WHICH IS NOT HER NAME INTHE WORLD.

>> IT'S NOT HER REAL NAME. SHEASKED FOR A PSEUDONYM.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND ABOUT HALF THEINDIVIDUALS I INTERVIEWED

WANTED TO USE PSEUDONYMS. SOSHE, MICHELLE FISHER WAS 18 IN

THE SPRING OF 2001.

SHE DID NOT THINK OF HERSELF ASA SOLDIER OR SOMEBODY WHO WANTED

TO JOIN THE MILITARY, BUT HERMOM WAS ON AND OFF WELFARE AND

HER DAD WAS IN AND OUT OFPRISON, AND SHE REALLY WANTED TO

FIGURE OUT HOW COULD SHE GO TOCOLLEGE AND HAVE A DIFFERENT

KIND OF LIFE.

SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DO FACTORYWORK, WHICH IS WHAT WAS

AVAILABLE.

AND, SO SHE WALKED INTO THERECRUITING OFFICE FOR THE

NATIONAL GUARD AND SIGNED UPREALLY INTENDING TO BE A

PART-TIME SOLDIER.

AND THEN, WHEN SHE WAS INTRAINING, 9/11 HAPPENED, AND SHE

GOT RIGHT AWAY THAT HER LIFE WASGOING TO BE REALLY DIFFERENT.

>> Jon: I THOUGHT WHAT WAS MOSTINTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS IN THE

BOOKS THAT I'VE READ ABOUT MALEEXPERIENCE IN WAR, THERE'S A

CERTAIN CAMARADERIE THAT YOUNEVER GET BENEATH, BUT THIS

OPENS UP A DOOR TO THEINTERACTION BETWEEN SOLDIERS

THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT ANDFRAUGHT WITH A LOT MORE

COMPLICATION...>> YEAH.

>> Jon: IN TERMS OFINTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

>> RIGHT.>> Jon: YOU KNOW, OUT OF

MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS,DRINKING.

LIKE, IT IS A LOT MORE...THERE'S A LOT MORE DEPTH TO IT.

>> SO THESE WOMEN WERE, YOUKNOW, DEPLOYED ON THESE MULTIPLE

LENGTHY DEPLOYMENTS, FIRST TOAFGHANISTAN, THEN TO IRAQ, AND

THE WORK THEY WERE DOING WASFIXING BROKEN AK-47S IN

AFGHANISTAN AS WEAPONS MECHANICSOR IN DESMA'S CASE, WHEN

SHE'S IN IRAQ, DRIVING A GUN TRUCK AT THE FRONT OF A

SUPPLY CONVOY. AND THEN TORELIEVE THE STRESS THAT THEY

WERE UNDER FROM THESE, YOU KNOW,LENGTHY DEPLOYMENTS AT

HOME, FEELING ISOLATED ANDLONELY TWO OF THE WOMEN DID

HAVE AFFAIRS WITH MEN WHO WEREMARRIED WHO WERE THEIR

COLLEAGUES, AND ONE WOMAN ENDSUP DRINKING.

SHE WANTS A COCKTAIL AT THE ENDOF EVERY DAY AND SHE ENDS UP

RELYING ON ALCOHOL TO SORT OFGET HER THROUGH THE DEPLOYMENT.

>> Jon: AND IT WAS INTERESTING,TOO, BECAUSE THEY WERE

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A BIT OF ARARE COMMODITY OVER THERE,

SO THERE'S THIS IDEA THAT THEMALES ARE KIND OF

FIGHTING FOR THEIR ATTENTION...>> YEAH.

>> Jon: IN WAYS WANTED BUT ALSOUNWANTED,

AND IT SHOWS THE DIFFICULTY THEYHAVE IN HAVING TO NAVIGATE EVEN

FORGET ABOUT THEENEMY ENVIRONMENT...

>> RIGHT.>> Jon: THEIR OWN ENVIRONMENT.

>> YEAH.

SO BECAUSE THEY'RE SERVING IN AMIXED-GENDER BATTALION, THE

RATIO IS LIKE 2-1 ROUGHLY INTHEIR OWN BATTALION,

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> MEN TO WOMEN.

BUT THEY'RE ON A MILITARY POSTALONGSIDE OF ALL-MALE

INFANTRY SOLDIERS OR FOREIGNSOLDIERS FROM DIFFERENT

COUNTRIES THAT ARE ALL MALE, SOTHE RATIO ON THE POST ITSELF IS

EVEN MORE SKEWED MANY MORE MENTO WOMEN, AND THEY ARE SCARCE

COMMODITY.

THE YOUNGEST IN THE BOOK, THEYOUNGEST WOMAN, MICHELLE, IS

FINDING THAT EVERYWHERE SHEGOES, THE MEN ARE READING THE

NAME TAG ON HER ARMY UNIFORM ANDCALLING OUT TO HER BY NAME AS IF

THEY KNOW HER, SO FROM THEMOMENT SHE LEAVES HER TENT UNTIL

SHE GETS BACK TO HER TENT ATNIGHT, IT'S NON-STOP ATTENTION.

AND THEN YOU HAVE DEBBIE, WHO IS30 YEARS OLDER, SHE'S IN HER

EARLY 50S, AND SHE'S LOOKING ONTHINKING, WOW, IT'S A LONG TIME

SINCE I GOT THAT KIND OFATTENTION AND SHE'S NOT GETTING

QUITE THAT SORT OF ATTENTION,AND YOU CAN SEE IT

FROM DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTSDEPENDING ON THEIR AGE.

>> Jon: RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S,

THAT'S WHAT'S INCREDIBLE ABOUTIT. AND IT GIVES A VIEW

ALMOST FROM A 180 OF WHAT WE'REACCUSTOMED TO.

AND, IT'S A VERY VALUABLEADDITION IN THAT WAY IT SEEMS.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

>> Jon: WELL, THANK YOU FORCOMING ON.

>> PLEASURE. >> Jon: AND SHARING IT WITH US.

HAVE THE WOMEN READ IT? HAVETHEY?

>> I ACTUALLY GAVE THEM THEMANUSCRIPT BEFORE IT WAS

PUBLISHED SO THEY COULD READ IT.>> Jon: OH OK.

>> I WANTED... YOU KNOW, IT'SWORK OF JOURNALISM.

IT WASN'T LIKE AN AUTHORIZEDBIOGRAPHY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> Jon: SURE.>> BUT I WANTED THEM TO READ IT

AND KNOW WHAT WASCOMING OUT, AND I WANTED TO HEAR

THEIR THOUGHT, SO YEAH, THEYENDORSED THE PROJECT.

>> Jon: OH, THEY DID.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY READ ITAND WENT LIKE, I WILL NEVER

SPEAK WITH YOU AGAIN.[LAUGHTER].

>> NO. THEY READ IT AND, THEYREAD IT AND EACH OF THEM HAD

SOME CONCERN ABOUT SOME FAMILYMEMBER WHERE THEY HAD TOLD ME

SOMETHING REVEALING ABOUT THEIRDAUGHTER OR THEIR BOYFRIEND...

>> Jon: OH, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.>> AND THEN THEY WANTED

TO PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT THEY SAID ALL THIS STUFFI TOLD

YOU ABOUT MYSELF, YEP, THAT'STHE WAY IT HAPPENED.

>> Jon: WOW.

THAT'S TERRIFIC.

DO YOU GUYS STILL GET TOGETHER?

>> YES. YES.

>> Jon: OH, THAT'S NICE.

>> AND MICHELLE FISHER HAS ACRUSH ON YOU.

>> Jon: MICHELLE FISHER HAS ACRUSH ON ME?

>> YEAH. [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: [SING SONGS]:AND I KNOW WHAT'S IN HER DIARY.

[LAUGHTER]WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

COMING AND SHARING THE STORY.>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: "SOLDIER GIRLS" IS ONTHE BOOKSHELVES NOW.

HELEN THORPE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.TOMORROW WU TANG.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> I WATCH THE NEWS BECAUSE I'MA KID. AND APPARENTLY EVERY

TIME, APPARENTLY GRANDPAJUST GIVES ME THE

REMOTE, I HAVE TOWATCH THE POWERBALL.

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