April 21, 2014 - Gina McCarthy

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Cliven Bundy fights for his lawless ranching practices, Putin is questioned about Russia's involvement in Ukraine, and Gina McCarthy discusses being EPA administrator. 

>> WELCOME TO "THE DAILYSHOW", MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

WE HAVE A GOOD SHOW FOR YOUTONIGHT.

MY GUEST THE NEW EPAADMINISTRATOR, GINA MCCARTHY, I

AM GOING TO ASK HER ABOUTFRACKING. BUT FIRST, LAST WEEK,

WHILE WE WERE OFF WE MISSED SOMEHIGH DRAMA.

>> APPARENTLY A FELLOWNAMED CLIVEN BUNDY, NOT TO

BE CONFUSED WITH HIS MORESOPHISTICATED BROTHER, AL,

OR HIS MORE ATHLETICBROTHER, KING KONG.

>> NOW OLD CLIVEN BUNDY HAD BEENGRAZING HIS CATTLE ILLEGALLY ON

FEDERAL LAND INNEVADA FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW,

ACCRUING ABOUT $1 MILLION INGRAZING FEES, PENALTIES AND

FINES. UNFORTUNATELY MR. BUNDYHAS ALSO REPEATEDLY IGNORED

COURT ORDERS TO CEASE ANDDESIST VIS-A-VIS SAID GRAZING.

SO, THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF LANDMANAGEMENT CAME TO TAKE HIS

CATTLE, IT IS YOUR STANDARD BOYHAS COW, BOY BREAKS LAW FOR 20

YEARS, BOY LOSES COWSTORY. OR SO WE THOUGHT.

>> HUNDREDS OF ARMED MILITIA MENRALLYING TO SUPPORT THE BUNDIES,

FACING OFF WITH THE FEDS ATGUNPOINT.

>> JIM LORDI CAME FROM MONTANATO JOIN THE PROTESTERS.

>> HE SAYS, HE AND OTHER MILITIAMEMBERS ARE NOT

AFRAID TO SHOOT IF NECESSARY.

>> WE WERE ACTUALLY STRATEGIZINGTO PUT ALL THE WOMEN UP AT THE

FRONT. IF THEY ARE GOING TOSTART SHOOTING IT IS GOING TO BE

WOMEN THAT ARE GOING TO BETELEVISED ALL ACROSS THE WORLD

GETTING SHOT BY THESE ROGUEFEDERAL OFFICERS.

>> Jon: ANYWAY, HAPPYVALENTINE'S DAY, SWEETY.

>> HE SEEMS NICE.APPARENTLY WE HAVE OURSELVES A

STANDOFF AT WOUNDED LOIN, YES.

THE ARMED STANDOFF OVER THIS MANILLEGALLY GRAZING HIS CATTLE IS

THE SUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S NEWSEGMENT, I DON'T GET IT.

>> BROUGHT TO YOU BY -- HUH?

>> HUH? IT IS A SOUND YOU MAKEWHEN YOU DON'T GET IT.

>> LOOK, I UNDERSTAND THIS ISTHE WEST, EVERYONE WANTS TO

ROMANTICIZE IT, LAST FRONTIER OFLIBERTY, RIDING THE RAILS ON THE

OPEN RANGE, EATING A TREMENDOUSAMOUNT OF BEANS AROUND THE

CAMPFIRE, NOT CARING ABOUT THENORMAL SOCIAL CONSEQUENCES OF

EATING THOSE BEANS BECAUSE WHOIS GOING TO COMPLAIN? THE

COYOTES? NOT IF THEY KNOW WHATIS GOOD FOR THEM.

>> BABING!

>> BABING.

>> THAT'S THE NOISE YOU MAKE TOSCARE THEM AWAY.

> HOW IS THIS GUY BUNDY A HERO? HOW IS THIS GUY BUNDY A HERO FOR

IGNORING FEDERAL LAW AND WHAT ISTHE JUSTIFICATION?

>> I ABIDE BY ALL OF NEVADASTATE LAWS, BUT I DON'T

RECOGNIZE THE UNITED STATESGOVERNMENT AS EVEN EXISTING.

[LAUGHTER.]>> Jon: I AM AS AGAINST

GOVERNMENT OVERREACH AS THE NEXTGUY, BUT I DON'T THINK THE

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISOVERREACHING BY SAYING IT

EXISTS.

>> THIS GUY -- HECK, I AM JUST ASIMPLE FELLOW, SOME FOLKS CALL A

CARTESIAN FOLLOWER, RENEDESCARTES.

>> AND WITHOUT IMMEDIATE SENSORYPROOF, HOW AM I TO TAKE

GOVERNMENT EXISTENCE ASPRIMA FACIE ASSUMPTION.

(Bleep), WHAT IF WE'RE ALL JUSTBRAINS IN A JAR?

I HAVE TO PAY YOU FOR GRAZING MYIMAGINARY BRAIN JAR CATTLE? WHO

DO YOU TAKE ME FOR? (Bleep) JONLOCKE? PATOO! PATOO!

>> RIGHT NOW, SOMEWHERE A JUNIORPHILOSOPHY MAJOR JUST (BLEEP)ED

IN HIS PANTS.

>> ALL RIGHT. SPEAKING OF THINGSTHAT PROVE THE GOVERNMENT

EXISTS, DID YOU LOOK AT THE END

OF THIS?

YOU SEE THAT THING YOU AREHOLDING THERE, FELLOW? IF YOU

REJECT THE AMERICAN FEDERALGOVERNMENT, AT LEAST HAVE THE

DECENCY TO CREATE YOUR OWNDAMNED FLAG.

>> I DON'T GIVE THE CONFEDERACYCREDIT FOR MUCH BUT AT LEAST

THEY HAD A GRAPHIC DESIGN TEAMTHAT WAS WORTH A (BLEEP).

>> SO, THE LAW ISN'T ON BUNDY'SSIDE, THE COURT ISN'T ONBUNDY'S SIDE,

EVEN THE NEVADA STATECONSTITUTION WHICH BUNDY CLAIMS

TO ABIDE ISN'T ON BUNDY'S SIDE,WHO THE (bleep) IS ON THIS GUY'SSIDE?

>> HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHYYOU THINK YOUR CASE HAS

RESONATED SODMUCH WITHTHE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

>> HANNITY!

>> I STILL DON'T GET IT.

>> IT IS NOT LIKE THEY WANT TOBUILD A SCHOOL, A ROAD OR A

HOSPITAL.

THAT LAND IS GOING TO STAYVACANT WHETHER OR NOT YOUR

CATTLE ARE ON IT OR NOT, RIGHT? WHEN YOUR CATTLE GRAZE THERE,

THAT KEEPS THE PRICE OF MEATDOWN FOR EVERY AMERICAN

CONSUMER.

>> YES, MOST GOODS ARE CHEAPERWHEN YOU STEAL THE RAW MATERIALS

NECESSARY TO MAKETHEM. IN FACT HAVE YOU SEEN THE

PRICES AT FELL OFFA TRUCK MART? SO APPARENTLY SEAN

HANNITY THINKS LAWS ARE SERVEDBUFFET STYLE, IN THAT YOU CAN

PICK AND CHOOSE THE ONES THATYOU LIKE BEST, THE ONES

YOU DON'T LIKE, YOUDON'T HAVE TO ABIDE.

BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO SIT WELLWITH FOX NEWS' IMMIGRATION SLASH

HEALTHCARE LAW EXPERT PUNDIT, AMR. SEAN HANNITY.

>> YOU BELIEVE WE SHOULD OBEYTHE LAWS YOU WANT TO OBEY.

OBEY THE LAWS YOU LIKE?

>> NO, NO.

>> THAT'S ALL? WHY DON'T YOUJOIN WITH ME, JUAN AND SAY

EVERYBODY SHOULD OBEY THELAW? TELL ME HOW THE PRESIDENT

CAN UNILATERALLY PICK AND CHOOSEWHICH PART OF THE LAW HE WILL

UPHOLD AT WHATEVER TIME HECHOOSES.

>> Jon: I MEAN, THE GUY IS NOTEVEN WEARING A COWBOY HAT.

THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T GET TOCHOOSE.

>> APPARENTLY HE SELECTS COWBOYHATS WHICH LAWS YOU WILL OBEY

LIKE SOME SORT OF LEGAL SORTINGHAT.

>> BY THE WAY, THAT IS THE WORSTHARRY POTTER EVER.

>> OR MAYBE SEAN JUST RESPECTSPEOPLE WHO FIGHT FOR THEIR

PRINCIPLES, EVEN AFTER THEY LOSETHEIR CASE IN COURT.

>> A GROUP OF ATHEISTS LOSTTHEIR BATTLE WITH THE STATE OF

UTAH OVER 14 STEEL CROSS HIGHWAYMEMORIALS, AND THE JUDGE'S

RULING, YOU GUYS LOST.

>> THAT WILL BE OVERTURNED.

>> NO, YOU LOST.

>> Jon: AH.

I GUESS UNLESS YOUR FRIENDS AREARMED AND READY TO HAVE YOUR

WOMENFOLK SHOT.

[LAUGHTER.]>> Jon: NOW, I KNOW YOU DON'T

LIKE PEOPLE SCAMMING OFF THETAXPAYERS, SEAN.

>> MY NEXT GUEST IS A CALIFORNIASURFER, HE LIVES ON FOOD STAMPS,

I WANT YOU TO REALIZE YOU ARETAKING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY AND

YOU ARE LIVING A SELFISH LIFE.

>> Jon: FIRST OF ALL --[LAUGHTER.]

>> Jon: -- THERE IS NO WAYTHAT'S (BLEEP) THAT GUY'S HAIR.

THERE'S NO WAY. THAT IS YOUNGHAIR BUT UNDERNEATH THOSE

GLASSES IS AN OLD FACE. AND IT'STOO BAD SURFER DUDE ISN'T A COW,

OTHERWISE HANNITY WOULD BEFINE WITH THE GOVERNENT PAYING

FOR HIS MEALS.

>> ALSO IT WOULD BE COOL TO SEEA SURFING COW.

IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING ABOUTTHIS BUNDY FELLER IS BLINDING

HANNITY TO ALL THE THINGS THATWOULD NORMALLY DRIVE HANNITY MAD

WITH RAGE. IS IT THE HAT?BECAUSE WE CAN GIVE HIM A

DIFFERENT HAT.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? AND YOU KNOWWHAT, GIVE HIM A DIFFERENT

HAIRSTYLE. AND A NEW SHIRT.

AND A PAIR OF DEVIL STICKS.

>> OH, NO, HE IS AN OCCUPY WALLSTREET PROTESTER.

>> TRESPASSING ON LAND THATDOESN'T BELONG TO HIM, GET 'EM,

SEAN!

>> YOU ARE PROTESTER OF THE DAYAND YOU GO HOME AT NIGHT AND

TAKE A SHOWER.

>> TAKE OVER A PARK AND SLEEP ONTHE STREET.

>> Jon: NOW THAT IS THE WAYYOU TALK TO A TRESPASSER WHO

VOTES DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU.

HOW OUT THERE IS HANNITY ON THISISSUE?

>> I HAVE CATTLE.

AND I HAVE PEOPLE THAT GRAZE ONMY LAND, GRAZING FEES ARE

NORMAL, AND YOU STOPPED PAYINGTHEM.

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULDSAY THAT YOU ARE, LET ME QUOTE A

WELFARE RANCHER.

>> Jon: SEAN HANNITY HAS NOWMADE GLENN BECK THE VOICE OF

REASON.

[LAUGHTER.][ APPLAUSE ]

>> Jon: IF YOU WANT, IF YOUWANT TO CHALLENGE THE AMOUNT OF

FEDERAL LAND THE GOVERNMENT OWNSIN THE STATE OF NEVADA, FINE,

MAKE YOUR CASE TO THE VOTERS, IFYOU WANT TO CHALLENGE THE

CONCEPT OF GRAZING FEES, FINEBUT HANNITY'S PUFFERY AND ARMED

FRIENDS DON'T MAKE YOU APATRIOT.

>> I GUESS MAYBE I'M A LITTLEBIT LIKE THE FOUNDINGFATHERS.

>> Jon: DUDE, YOU'RE A WELFARERANCHER TRYING TO PULL OFF

THE LARGEST CATTLE DINE ANDDASH.

WE'LL BE RIGHT

[ APPLAUSE ]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

YOU MAY RECALL LAST MONTH WHENPRO-RUSSIAN MILITIAS TOOK

OVER THE CRIMEAN PENINSULA ANDHANDED IT TO RUSSIA. NOW MANY

THOUGHT THE MILITIAS WERE NOTONLY PRO-RUSSIAN BUT RUSSIAN.

RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTINKNEW DIFFERENT.

>> THOSE ARE LOCAL SELF DEFENSEUNITS.

>> Jon: YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEMAN AT HIS WORD.

COME ON.

LOOK AT THAT FACE.

WOULD THAT FACE LIE TO YOU? DON'T ANSWER THAT

BECAUSE THAT FACE WOULD KILL YOUWITH POISON.

ACTUALLY, THAT FACE DID LIE TOYOU.

VLADIMIR PUTIN IN THE MEANTIMESPOKE ON RUSSIAN TV FOR THE

FIRST TIME HE ADMITTED THETROOPS IN UNMARKED UNIFORMS WHO

TOOK CRIMEA BEFORE ITSANNEXATION BY MOSCOW WERE, IN

FACT, RUSSIAN SOLDIERS.

>> Jon: APRIL FOOLS'.

IN FEBRUARY. NOWORDINARILY, I WOULD JUST LET

BY GONES BE BY GONES, BUT HERE'STHE THING, AS OF LAST WEEK

HUGE PARTS OF EASTERN UKRAINEARE NOW FILLED WITH THE SAME

MYSTERY MILITIAS. THEY'RE TAKINGOVER GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS,

AND THEY'RE OCCUPYING THESTREETS, AND NOT

ONLY TAKING UKRAINIAN ARMYTANKS, THEY ARE DOING (bleep)WITH

THEM I DIDN'T THINK YOU COULDDO. I MEAN, I HAVE TO TELL YOU,

MAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TOUKRAINE THAT IS AWESOME.

BUT AT LEAST NOW THAT PUTIN ISMORE ACCUSTOMED TO TELLING THE

TRUTH I AM SURE HE WILL LEVEL ASTO RUSSIAN INVOLVEMENT.

>> THIS IS NONSENSE.

THERE ARE NO RUSSIAN UNITS INTHE EAST OF THE UKRAINE.

>> Jon: WELL, HIS LIPS SAY NO,BUT THE OTHER GUY THAT WAS

TALKING SAYS --LOOK, HE LIES ALL THE

TIME, SO YOU KNOW WHATWOULD HELP? IF WE HAD SOME

KIND OF PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF THATTHE MILITIAS IN THE UKRAINE

ARE ACTUALLY RUSSIAN SOLDIERS.

>> NEW PHOTOS PROVIDED TO AEUROPEAN MONITORING BODY AND

PUBLISHED BY "THE NEW YORKTIMES" JUST TODAY GIVE

SOME INSIGHT INTO WHO HAS BEENSEIZING GOVERNMENT SITES IN

EASTERN UKRAINE. THE TIMESSAYS THESE PHOTOS LINK THE

GUNMEN KNOWN AS GREEN MEN TORUSSIA.

>> Jon: REALLY? THAT IS YOUREVIDENCE? CHUNKY GUY WITH A

BEARD? IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYOTHER GUY IN EASTERN EUROPE.

THAT IS EVERY OTHER GUY ON THEPLANET.

LIKE TWO-THIRDS OF ZZ TOP.

I MEAN, COME ON.

I THINK THAT IS LIKE THE GUYTHAT PRODUCED THE BEASTIE BOYS

FIRST ALBUM. LOOK, I AM STARTINGTO THINK RUSSIA HASN'T

INVADED UKRAINE AT ALL AND THISENTIRE INTERNATIONAL CRISIS IS

JUST AN ELABORATE MOCKUMENTARYPRANK BY JOAQUIN PHOENIX.

>> I AM GOING TO NEED MOREEVIDENCE THESE MILITIA MEN ARE

NOT JUST LOCALS.

>> YOU WOULD TALK TO LOCALS INTHESE TOWNS AND THEY WOULD SAY

PEOPLE AT THE BARRICADES

SPEAK WITH RUSSIAN ACCENTS ANDDON'T KNOW THEIR WAY AROUND.

>> Jon: I GUESS THEY WEREN'TDOING DOUGHNUTS IN THE TANKS,

THEY WERE JUST SO LOST THEY WEREDRIVING IN CIRCLES.

>> THEY SAID THERE WAS WAFFLEHOUSE AROUND HERE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM GOING.

I AM JUST -- I AM JUST HUNGRY.

>> Jon: SO, NOW THAT WE KNOWTHESE ARE RUSSIANS, THE QUESTION

IS, HOW SHOULD AMERICA DEAL WITHIT AND PLEASE FRAME YOUR ANSWER

WITH THE STUPIDEST OPTION WE CANTAKE.

>> WE NEED TO DO SOME THINGSTACTICALLY.

WE NEED TO GIVE THEM LETHALWEAPONS, GIVE THEM 100 T-72

TANKS FROM NATO STOCKS.

>> Jon: WE DID THAT ALREADYAND THE RUSSIANS TOOK THEM AND

STARTED DOING DOUGHNUTS! IN THEPARKING LOT OF THE RUSSIAN 7-11!

ISN'T THERE ANYONE IN RUSSIA WHOCAN PIN PUTIN NOW.

>> U.S. FORMER U.S. SPYCONTRACTOR EDWARD SNOWDEN HAVING

HIS FIRST KNOWN PUBLICCONVERSATION WITH VLADIMIRPUTIN.

>> Jon: OH (BLEEP).IT IS THE SNOW MAN! OH, YEAH!

FALCON AND THE SNOW MAN UP INTHIS (bleep)! IF

ANYBODY CAN HOLD PUTIN'S FEET TOTHE FIRE IT IS THIS CAT.

>> DOES RUSSIA INTERCEPT STOREOR ANALYZE IN ANY WAY THE

COMMUNICATIONS OF MILLIONS OFINDIVIDUALS?

>> Jon: OH! HOW IS OLD VLADDYGOING TO GET OUT OF THIS ONE?

>> WE DON'T HAVE A MASS SYSTEMOF SUCH INTERCEPTION.

AND ACCORDING TO OUR LAW, ITCANNOT EXIST.

>> Jon: TOUCHE.

WHO WOULD EVER HAVE THOUGHTPUTIN COULD OUTWIT A PRERECORDED

QUESTION FROM A MAN WHOSE LIFEIS IN HIS HANDS? WE'LL BE

RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: MY GUEST TONIGHT THEADMINISTRATOR OF THE

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY,PLEASE WELCOME GINA MCCARTHY!

[ APPLAUSE ]>> Jon: COME AND SIT.

>> THANK YOU.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> Jon: WELCOME TO THE

PROGRAM.

FIRST OF ALL AS A BOSTONIAN, ISAY TO YOU CONGRATULATIONS ON A

BEAUTIFUL MARATHON TODAY.

BEAUTIFULLY DONE.

VERY JOYOUS, REALLY LOVELY.

>> THANK YOU.

BOSTON PROUD.

>> Jon: YES.

REALLY WELL DONE.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> BOSTON STRONG.

>> Jon: IT WAS EXCELLENT. IWAS GOING TO RUN IN IT, BUT THEN

I REMEMBERED I AM DECREPIT.

>> I KNEW THAT BEFORE THE RACESTARTED

>> Jon: YOU ARE VERYKIND.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THENEW POSITION?

>> OH, JUST ABOUT SIX, SEVENMONTHS.

>> Jon: AND ARE WE CLEAN YET? THE HAIR, THE WATER?

>> HUGE, HUGE MOVEMENT FORWARDSINCE I STARTED, YES.

>> Jon: TREMENDOUS.

>> YES.

>> Jon: WHAT IS FOR YOUSTEPPING IN WHAT IS YOUR

PRIORITY?

>> WELL, I SHARE THE PRESIDENT'SPRIORITY OF DEALING WITH THE

ISSUE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, FIRSTAND FOREMOST.

>> Jon: NOW, SEE, THAT IS THEFIRST PART OF THAT ISSUE GETTING

OVER HALF THE CONGRESS TO ADMITTHAT IT IS HAPPENING?

>> ACTUALLY, WE TRIED THATFIRST.

>> Jon: HOW DID THAT GO?

>> NOT WELL, NOT WELL.

NOT WELL.

ACTUALLY, THE PRESIDENT, WHAT ISGREAT EVEN BEFORE I STARTED THE

JOB HE PUT OUT A CLIMATE ACTIONPLAN AND WHAT HE SAID WAS THE

ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO TAKEACTION, WE ARE NOT WAITING FOR

CLIMATE.

HE SAW IT AS PART OF THELEADERSHIP THE PRESIDENT HAS TO

BRING TO THE COUNTRY AND HE ALSOIS LOOKING AT I THINK AS A

FATHER OF TWO BEAUTIFUL CHILDRENAND HE STOOD UP AND SAID IT IS A

MORAL OBLIGATION.

I AGREE WITH HIM.

WE HAVE GOT TO FIGHT FOR THENEXT GENERATION.

>> Jon: BUT WHAT WOULD -- WHATWOULD DO IT? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE

TO FIGHT FOR IT.

IF YOU TALKED TO THE FOSSIL FUELCOMPANIES THEY WOULD SAY, ANY

TYPE OF RESTRICTION ON WHAT THEYDO WOULD LEAD US TO AN ECONOMIC

APOCALYPSE. IF YOU TALKED TO THESCIENTISTS THEY SAY BY NOT DOING

IT WE WILL HAVE A CLIMATEAPOCALYPSE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHICHAPOCALYPSE SHOULD I PREPARE FOR?

BECAUSE I AM CLEARLY TRAPPEDBETWEEN TWO APOCALYPSES.

>> IT'S A TOUGH CHOICE.WELL, I THINK THEY HAVE TO LOOK

AT THE HISTORY. EPAHAS BEEN AROUND FOR 40 YEARS

AND WE'VE FIGURED OUT AWAY TO AVOID APOCALYPSES.

WE'VE CLEANED UP THE AIR, 70PERCENT IN OUR AIR

POLLUTION WHILE WE DOUBLED THEGDP, SO IT CAN BE DONE AND WITH

CLIMATE WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARDIN A COMMON SENSE WAY. LOTS ARE

DOING IT THOUGH. TAKE ALOOK AT WHAT THE

PRESIDENT DID INHIS LIGHT DUTY VEHICLE RULE --

>> Jon: OH, THAT'S ALL IDO IS SIT LOOKING

AT WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID INHIS WHATEVER THAT THING IS.

>> YOU SHOULD. I'M SURE YOUDRIVE AROUND IN FUEL EFFICIENTCARS.

>> Jon: THAT'S WHAT I AMDOING.

I HAVE WHAT YOU CALL A NESTINGHUMMER.

A HUMMER INSIDE A HUMMER INSIDEA HUMMER.

>> SOUNDS RUSSIAN.

>> Jon: IT IS! IT IS!

>> IT MIGHT NOT BE RUSSIANS,THOUGH.

>> Jon: IT'S TRUE.

>> HE DOUBLED THE FUEL ECONOMYBY 20-25, THAT LOWERED

SIGNIFICANTLY GREENHOUSE GASEMISSIONS FROM MOBILE SOURCES

AND AT THE SAME TIME YOU WILLGET MORE FUEL EFFICIENT

VEHICLES AND THE CAR COMPANIESDIDN'T DIE.

>> Jon: BUT WE ARE A FOSSIL FUELECONOMY. I DON'T THINK THERE

IS ANY QUESTION WE ARE A FOSSILFUEL ECONOMY.

AND ALL OF THESE REGULATIONS PUTTHE MOM AND POP

OIL COMPANIES OUT OF BUSINESS.

THAT DIDN'T COME OUT RIGHT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I AM TALKINGABOUT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD YOUR

DRUTHERS, LET'S SAY YOU GUYS, ITWASN'T POLITICAL,

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO CONVINCE HALFTHE CONGRESS THIS IS REAL, WHAT

WOULD YOU DO?

>> I DON'T THINK WE DOHAVE TO CONVINCE THEM IT IS

REAL. I MEAN, THE SCIENTISTSTELL US IT IS REAL.

WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TODO IS TAKE COMMON SENSE STEPS IN

MOVING FORWARD.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOINGIN JUNE IS WE ARE DOING A CARBON

POLLUTION STANDARD FOR POWERPLANTS.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THE POWER PLANTS ARE THEBIGGEST SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE

GASES.

>> Jon: IS THERE NO CARBONPOLLUTION STANDARD FOR THEM

PRESENTLY.

>> THERE ISN'T. THERE'S ASTANDARD ON MOST OTHER

POLLUTION, BUT THERE ISNOT A STANDARD ON CARBON,

AND WE THINK CARBON IS JUST ASIMPORTANT AS MERCURY AND NOX

AND SULFUR AND SO WE ARE GOINGTO GO FOR IT.

>> Jon: WHAT IS THE OUTPUT NOWAND WHAT IS THE STANDARD YOU

WOULD LIKE IT TO BE? WHAT IS THEDIFFERENTIAL?

JUST BECAUSE, AND I AM JUSTSPEAKING

FOR A FRIEND, IT IS NOT LIKE IBURN THINGS IN MY BACKYARD.

I AM JUST CURIOUS, HOW MUCH ISTHERE NOW AND HOW MUCH ARE WE

LOOKING AT?

>> WE ARE GOING TO REGULATE ITUNDER THE CLEAN AIR ACT AND IT

TELLS US WE HAVE TO TAKE STEPSFORWARD TO REDUCE IT.

WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK ATWHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WE ARE

GOING TO MAKE IT FLEXIBLE, YOUARE GOING TO GET SOME

SIGNIFICANT GREENHOUSE GASREDUCTIONS OUT OF IT.

REALLY YOU CAN DO THIS. STATESAND COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN

REDUCING THEIR GREENHOUSE GASEMISSIONS FOR A LONG TIME.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKINGANY FUEL OUT OF THE SYSTEM.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MAKINGTHINGS MORE EFFICIENT.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INVESTMENTSIN EFFICIENCY.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RENEWABLEENERGY AND TALKING ABOUT A

FUTURE THAT IS ACTUALLY LOOKSPRETTY GOOD.

>> Jon: BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE MUCHMORE OF A WINNING ARGUMENT. THIS

IS ABOUT EFFICIENCY AND ABOUTCREATING ENERGY IN A BETTER WAY

BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU SAY TOTHESE COMPANIES WE DON'T WANT TO

POLLUTE WITH CARBON THEY WILLSAY WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT

CHINA'S ECONOMY? WHAT ABOUTINDIA'S ECONOMY? WHAT ABOUT

THESE GROWING, YOU KNOW, WE GOTOURS IN THE INDUSTRIAL

REVOLUTION, WHAT ABOUT THESECOUNTRIES THAT ARE NOW BUILDING

THEIR MIDDLE CLASSES AND WHATABOUT STATES LIKE TEXAS THAT

DON'T LISTEN?

>> ACTUALLY --[LAUGHTER.]

>> WE ARE ACTUALLY NOT TALKINGABOUT GOING BACKWARDS.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POSITIONINGTHE U.S. FOR THE FUTURE, AS WELL

AS THOSE COMPANIES.

THEY KNOW THEY CAN INVEST INRENEWABLE ENERGY AND KNOW THEY

CAN MAKE IT WORK IN AN ENERGYMIX AND SO OUR JOB REALLY IS TO

TRY TO DRIVE THOSE REDUCTIONSNATIONALLY BUT TO MAKE SURE

EVERY STATE IS DIFFERENTLYPOSITIONED.

SOME HAVE ALREADY DONE REALLYAGGRESSIVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY

WORK AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY CANDO A WHOLE LOT MORE.

>> Jon: BUT HOW MUCH IS THEPOLITICS OF IT, EVEN WITH THE

BOILER RULES THEY HAD,THEY MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT

IT WOULD SAVE 6,000 LIVES --

>> YOU KNEW BOILER RULE AND YOUDIDN'T KNOW LIGHT DUTY VEHICLE?

>> Jon: I KNEW BUT I THOUGHTIT WAS FUNNY IF THEY STEP IN.

AND IT IS A THING I DO,OH, LOOK AT ME. THE BOILER RULEYOU

SAVE 6,000 LIVES THEY COME UPWITH A STANDARD, WHAT IS IT IN

FEBRUARY 2011 BUT THEY DON'TIMPLEMENT IT UNTIL AFTER THE

ELECTION, WASHINGTON POST WRITESAN ARTICLE THIS IS POLITICAL

PRESSURE, THEY SAY, I MEAN, HOWMUCH OF THAT IS REAL?

>> THE TIMELINE IN THE RULE ISSET IN STATUTE.

>> Jon: I MEAN WHEN IT GETSIMPLEMENTED.

I KNOW IT IS IN THE STATUTE.

>> THAT IS WHAT IS IN THESTATUTE IS WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE

IMPLEMENTED SO NONE OF THIS ISFOLLOWING POLITICS.

>> Jon: I SEE.

>> IT IS FOLLOWING, I HOPE AND ITHINK, WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA.

AND IF WE DON'T START DEALINGWITH CLIMATE CHANGE WHICH IS THE

BIGGEST PUBLIC HEALTH CHALLENGETHAT WE FACE, AS WELL AS THE

BIGGEST ECONOMIC CHALLENGE WEFACE, AND THINK OF IT BOTH FROM

AN ENVIRONMENTAL AND AN ECONOMICSTANDPOINT, THEN I THINK WE ARE

LOSING FOR THE NEXT GENERATIONAND OUR OWN, FRANKLY.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> Jon: WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU

BEING HERE AND NEXT YEAR, ME ANDYOU, WE RUN THE MARATHON, YES?

>> WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FORBEING HERE, I APPRECIATE IT.

GINA MCCARTHY.

WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.

[ APPLAUSE ]>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF LOOKOUT!

>> WE HAVE ABOUT 5,000 CUSTOMERSTAKING THE TRAINS EACH AND EVERY

DAY, SAFETY AS YOU KNOW ISPARAMOUNT.

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