July 21, 2014 - Sue Turton

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International tensions escalate after Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 is shot down over Ukraine, and Sue Turton discusses the Egyptian trial of several Al Jazeera journalists. 

>> Jon: HEY, WELCOME TO "THEDAILY SHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

OH WE HAVE A GOOD SHOW FOR YOUTONIGHT.

WE'VE PUT IT TOGETHER.

LATER ON IN THE PROGRAM, ALJAZEERA AMERICA CORRESPONDENT

SUE TURTON.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THETHREE JOURNALISTS THAT HAVE

BEEN JAILED IN EGYPT AND, INFACT, IN FACT, WE'LL START

TONIGHT IN THE MIDDLE EAST,WHERE ISRAEL --

>> WHAT?

ISRAEL ISN'T SUPPOSED TO DEFENDITSELF?

>> OH YEAH IF MEXICO BOMBEDTEXAS WOULD WE EXERCISE

RESTRAINT? >> WHAT OTHER COUNTRY IS HELD TO

THE SAME STANDARD AS ISRAEL?>> [ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE]

>> IT'S A 4,000-YEAR-OLDCONFLICT.

>> DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLEEAST --

[BLEEPED]>> SELF-HATING JEW.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: THAT WAS, THAT WASWEIRD.

[LAUGHTER]ANYWAY, WHAT I WAS, WHAT I WAS

SAYING WAS LAST THURSDAY SAW THESTART OF A NEW GROUND

OFFENSIVE LAUNCHED BY ISRAEL.

>> [ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE][BLEEPED]

>>TRADITION! TRADITION.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: UM, HOLY [BLEEPED].

LOOK, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE MANYSTRONG OPINIONS ON THIS ISSUE,

BUT JUST MERELY MENTIONINGISRAEL OR QUESTIONING IN ANY WAY

THE EFFECTIVENESS OR HUMANITY OFISRAEL'S POLICIES IS NOT THE

SAME THING AS BEING PRO-HAMAS.

>> SO YOU'RE AGAINST MURDEREDCHILDREN?

>> FREE GAZA, FREE GAZA! [ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE]

>> ZIONIST PIG.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: YOU NOW WHAT,

[BLEEPED] IT.

WHY DON'T WE JUST TALK ABOUTSOMETHING LIGHTER LIKE UKRAINE?

>> YEAH. I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

WELL, HERE WE GO THEN.

THE WORLD IS STILL REELING FROMTHE MYSTERIOUS MISSILE ATTACK

OVER EASTERN UKRAINE, WHICH LASTWEEK TOOK DOWN A CIVILIAN

MALAYSIA AIRLINES JET. THERE'S ALOT OF CONFUSION.

A LOT OF FINGER POINTING.WHAT DOES THE EVIDENCE SAY?

>> THREE SA-11 MISSILE BATTERIES

RECENTLY ENTERED UKRAINE FROMRUSSIA.

>> A MISSILE LAUNCH FROM AREBEL-HELD AREA WAS DETECTED BY

U.S. INTELLIGENCE.

>> REBEL LEADERS TALKING ABOUTHIDING THOSE BLACK BOXES ON

INSTRUCTIONS FROM MOSCOW.

>> Jon: SOURCES SAY FRAGMENTSOF THE MISSILE REEKED OF BORSCHT

AND REPORTS INDICATE THAT WITHINTHAT MISSILE THERE WERE SEVERAL

SUCCESSIVELY SMALLER NESTINGMISSILES.

[LAUGHTER]SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF EVIDENCE,

BUT IT'S ALL CIRCUMSTANTIAL.

ARE YOU GOING TO CONVICT ONCIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE?

>> ONE OF THE PRO-RUSSIANMILITANT LEADERS TWEETED PROUDLY

AT THE TIME THAT THIS PLANE WASFIRST SHOT DOWN THAT HIS FORCES

HAD TAKEN DOWN A UKRAINIANMILITARY TRANSPORT.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: OKAY.

THAT'S A LITTLE STRONGER.

SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND ACONFESSION POINT TO THE RUSSIAN

REBELS BEING SUPPLIED WITHTECHNOLOGY AND KNOW-HOW

BY MOSCOW. PERHAPS THERE ISANOTHER EQUALLY PLAUSIBLE ANGLE

THE WEST HAD NOT CONSIDERED.

ONE THAT'S GETTING MAINSTREAMAIRPLAY IN RUSSIA.

>> THEY SAY, "INSIDE WE'RE NOTLIVE PEOPLE BUT CORPSES.

THE PLANE WAS FLOWN NOT BY REALPILOTS.

IT WAS ON AUTOPILOT.

IN THE NECESSARY SPOT IT WASBLOWN UP WITHOUT EVEN USING A

SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE."

[AUDIENCE REACTS].

>> Jon: SO EITHER POORLYTRAINED RUSSIAN INSURGENTS

UTILIZING HIGH-LEVEL MILITARYTECH FROM RUSSIA MISTAKENLY BLEW

UP A PASSENGER PLANE.

OR... PERHAPS EQUALLY LIKELY,THE DUTCH, THE WORLD'S FLORISTS,

LOADED CORPSES ONTO A PLANE INAMSTERDAM AND DITCHED IT

DIRECTLY OVER THEREBEL-CONTROLLED AREA OF EASTERN

UKRAINE TO MAKE THEM LOOK BADFOR NO [BLEEPED] REASON

WHATSOEVER.[LAUGHTER]

THE COUNTRY THAT GAVE US THEWINDMILL, THE POT BROWNIE AND A

BED SHEET OVEN POWERED BYFARTS NOW GIVES US THE

UNPROVOKED FLYING ZOMBIE PLANE.

THAT IS SO LIKE THE DUTCH.

EVEN WIKIPEDIA HAS PRONOUNCEDTHE RUSSIAN REBELS GUILTY.

>> AN INTERNET USER WITHIN THERUSSIAN GOVERNMENT REPORTEDLY

REVISED A WIKIPEDIA ENTRY ABOUTMALAYSIA AIRLINES FLIGHT 17.

THE ORIGINAL ENTRY SAID THEPLANE WAS SHOT DOWN BY

TERRORISTS OF THESELF-PROCLAIMED DONETSK PEOPLE'S

REPUBLIC.

THE REVISED ENTRY WRITTEN LESSTHAN AN HOUR AFTER THE ORIGINAL

SAID THE PLANE WAS SHOT DOWN BYUKRAINIAN SOLDIERS.

>> Jon: GOD THE RUSSIANS AREGOOD. THE SAME WIKIPEDIA USER

WENT ON TO NOTE THAT EVEN IFRUSSIAN REBELS HAD SHOT,

TECHNICALLY GREEDO SHOT FIRST.[LAUGHTER]

REALLY. GOT A FEW "STAR WARS"NERDS OVER

TO THE RIGHT.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]EVERYONE ELSE... SO DESPITE ALL

THE EVIDENCE, PUTIN SAYS ITWASN'T HIM. IT'S WHAT WE IN THE

JEW POLITICAL LITIGATIONBUSINESS KNOW AS "THE SHAGGY

DEFENSE."

♪ IT WASN'T ME ♪>> BUT WE SAW YOU MOVE THE

MISSILES. ♪ IT WASN'T ME ♪

>> Jon: BUT WE HEARD YOU TALKINGABOUT IT WITH THE REBELS.

♪ IT WASN'T ME ♪

>> Jon: WE SAW YOU KISSING ONTHE SOFA

♪ IT WASN'T ME ♪>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

YOU WIN THIS ROUND.

PUTIN, DID THE LIPS MATCH THESONG?

I COULDN'T SEE IT.

YES!

[LAUGHTER]I ONLY...ALL RIGHT.

CLEARLY THE STAKES ARE HIGH.

WHOEVER SHOULDERS THE BLAME FORTHIS ATROCITY IS GOING TO BE THE

TARGET OF GLOBAL ANGER.

AND RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'SRUSSIA'S FAULT BECAUSE IT'S

RUSSIA'S FAULT.

OF COURSE, THAT DOESN'T MEANRUSSIA'S GOING TO ADMIT IT.

>> YOU BLAME RUSSIA FOR THERECENT CURRENT EVENTS?

WE CALL YOUR PRESIDENT A WUSSUNLIKE OUR TRUE LEADER, VLADIMIR

PUTIN.

>> Jon: YOU SHUT UP, LANA.

I AM SO SICK OF HER AND RUSEVTRASH TALKING AMERICA.

AND SURE, MAYBE THEY BEAT JACKSWAGGER LAST NIGHT, BUT THAT WAS

A COUNT-OUT, IT WASN'T EVENA REAL PIN. AND SWAGGER'S BEEN

OFF HIS GAME ANYWAY. EVER SINCETAG-TEAM PARTNER ANTONIO CESARO

TURNED ON HIM AND ABANDONED THEREAL AMERICANS TO GO SOLO AS THE

THE KING OF SWING, BUTCESARO WAIT UNTIL SUMMER SLAM

BECAUSE JACK IS --[LAUGHTER]

WRONG ROOM? [CLEARS THROAT]

WELL, WATCH OUT, PUTIN, BECAUSEAMERICA HAS

SOMETHING THAT NO PROPAGANDA CANDEFEAT, THE MORAL HIGH GROUND.

>> ONE RUSSIAN DEPUTY PRIMEMINISTER EVEN SNIPED AT THE U.S.

ON TWITTER, "THE WHITE HOUSE HASFOUND GUILT BEFORE ANY

INVESTIGATION, JUST LIKE SADDAMHUSSEIN AND HIS WEAPONS OF MASS

DESTRUCTION."

[AUDIENCE REACTS].

>> Jon: THAT'S GOING TO LEAVEMARK.

YOU INVADE ONE COUNTRY UNDER APRETEXT THAT YOU LEARN ALMOST

IMMEDIATELY WAS FALSE AND THENQUIETLY CHANGE THAT PRETEXT AND

PRETEND LIKE YOU NEVERMADE THE MISTAKE IN THE

FIRST PLACE AND THEY NEVER LETYOU FORGET IT.

[LAUGHTER]YOU KNOW WHAT FINE, WE DON'T

NEED YOU, RUSSIA, OR HOWDANGEROUS YOU MAKE UKRAINIAN

AIR SPACE. THERE ARE OTHER WAYSTO GET WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

>> THE AIRLINE REROUTED A FLIGHTFROM KUALA LUMPUR TO LONDON.

IT COULD NOT USE THE USUAL ROUTEOVER UKRAINE FOLLOWING THE

DOWNING OF FLIGHT 17.

SO THE AIRLINE REROUTED THEFLIGHT OVER SYRIA, THAT IS,

AS YOU KNOW, ANOTHER WAR ZONE.

[AUDIENCE REACTING].

>> Jon: YEP.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW INTHE WORLD.

WHEN THE AREA ABOVE AN ONGOINGCIVIL WAR THAT'S KILLED TENS OF

THOUSANDS AND INVOLVED THE USEOF CHEMICAL WEAPONS IS KNOWN AS

"THE COMMUTER LANE."

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

SO, SO, THERE WE GO. WHAT ISTHAT?

WHAT DO YOU GOT THERE? TWISTEDAROUND THERE?

BOOM.

>> IN THE WAKE OF THE UKRAINEPLANE CRASH, ONE THING IS

CERTAIN.

BARACK OBAMA AIN'T GONNA DOANYTHING.

HE STOPPED PRESIDENTING LIKE AYEAR AND A HALF AGO.

NOW HE JUST SITS AROUND IN HISUNDERWEAR EATING CHEESE DOODLES,

GROWING HIS FINGERNAILS OUT ANDWATCHING THE SAME EPISODE OF THE

"GOLDEN GIRLS" OVER AND OVERAGAIN.

IT'S TRUE.JESUS, ALL RIGHT...

I SHOULD LOOK AT THESE INREHEARSAL.

AND APPARENTLY HE'S WHITE ANDHAS THE SAME BODY THAT WE USE

FOR A BIT WE DID WITH STEVECARELL LIKE 12 YEARS AGO.

ANYWAY, MY POINT IS THIS: WHATARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT RUSSIA?

>> WELL, WHAT WE NEED DO IS WEHAVE TO MATCH STRENGTH AGAINST

STRENGTH. WE REALLY NEEDTO SHOW RUSSIA THAT WE WILL,

YOU KNOW, MATCH THEIRMILITARY BUILDUP AND WE'LL HELP

UKRAINE MATCH THAT SO THEY CANDEFEND THEMSELVES.

>> Jon: SMART.

WE SEND THEIR GUYS WEAPONS ANDTHEN RUSSIA SENDS THEIR GUYS

MORE WEAPONS SO WE SEND MOREWEAPONS, YADDA, YADDA, YADDA,

WORLD PEACE.

OKAY.

ONE OF YOU IDIOTS HAS TO HAVE ABETTER IDEA.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUTCANCELING THE WORLD CUP.

WHY SHOULD COUNTRIES BE GOING INTHE WORLD CUP TO MOSCOW?

>> Jon: NICE.

SO NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE ON THEONE GROUP MORE CORRUPT AND

THUGGISH THAN RUSSIA.

YEAH, OKAY, THAT'S REAL SMART.

SO THOSE ARE ALL ACTIONS...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]BUT ACTIONS, ACTIONS ARE NOT

GOING TO DO ANYTHING.

BECAUSE THERE'S ONE THING THATSPEAKS LOUDER THAN ACTIONS.

>> WHAT IS THE ADMINISTRATIONNOT YET PREPARED TO DO THAT YOU

THINK MUST BE DONE?

>> ONE, HE DIDN'T CALL PUTIN THETHUG THAT HE IS.

>> Jon: YES!

STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK HISBONES, BUT NAMES, IS THAT HOW I

SEEM TO PEOPLE?[LAUGHTER]

THEY, THEY THINK I'M THUGGISH?

I'VE WRESTLED ALLIGATORS ANDBEARS, BUT NONE OF THEM EVER

HURT ME LIKE WORDS.

SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, HE WAS... ALLRIGHT.

SO THE QUESTION IS THIS: WHAT'STHE RIGHT MODEL FOR A PRESIDENT

IN THIS SITUATION.AND THE ANSWER BE:

>> WE SAW HOW REAGAN RESPONDED

TO THE SOVIETS BACK THEN.

>> Jon: YES, REAGAN.

ST. RONNY DEALT WITH A VERYSIMILAR SITUATION.

IN 1983 WHEN THE SOVIET UNIONSHOT DOWN A KOREAN PASSENGER

PLANE OFF THE COAST OF JAPAN.

I'LL NEVER FORGET HOW HERESPONDED.

HOW DID HE RESPOND?

>> REAGAN WAS AT THE RANCH INCALIFORNIA.

HE IMMEDIATELY CAME BACK.

>> RUSHED HOME FROM SANTABARBARA VACATION.

>> HE IMMEDIATELY CAME HOME ANDIMMEDIATELY BE BRIEFED,

IMMEDIATELY GET MOVING FORWARDAND CONDEMN THE SOVIET UNION IN

THE STRONGEST TERMS POSSIBLE.

>> Jon: IMMEDIATELY, PLANECRASHES, THEY GO TO TELL REAGAN

ABOUT IT AND THEY'RE LIKE,WHAT HE'S ALREADY GONE.

THE SCENT OF AFTER SHAVE ANDJELLYBEANS THE ONLY THING

LINGERING IN THE AIR. HOW DIDHE SPRING INTO ACTION SO FAST?

TO THIS DAY NOBODY KNOWS, BUT WEKNOW WHAT HAPPENED NEXT, REAGAN

TOOK ALL OF RUSSIA'SMISSILES, TWIRLED THEM

UP SINGLE HANDEDLY AND THREWTHEM INTO THE SUN.

WAIT A MINUTE.

I'M SORRY.

THAT LAST PART WASN'T REAGAN.

IT WAS SUPERMAN.

BUT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.

THE POINT IS REAGAN ACTEDWITHOUT DELAY.

>> I WAS COVERING RONALD REAGANAT THAT TIME.

HE WAS IN SANTA BARBARA AT HISRANCH WHEN THIS HAPPENED.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, HE DIDN'TWANT TO LEAVE.

AND HIS ADVISERS REALIZED HOWTERRIBLE THIS LOOKED AND

EVENTUALLY PERSUADED HIM HE HADTO FLY BACK TO WASHINGTON AND

HAD TO MAKE THE SPEECH TO THENATION, BUT IT DID TAKE HIM FOUR

DAYS. [LAUGHTER]

>> Jon: WHAT? [CLEARS THROAT]

YES, REAGAN'S RESPONSE TO THATCATASTROPHE WAS SO SPECIAL,

SO REMARKABLE, IT WAS ENOUGH TOMAKE US FORGET WHAT ACTUALLY

HAPPENED.

[LAUGHTER]WHICH IS THAT REAGAN GRUDGINGLY

CUT SHORT HIS 25-DAY VACATIONAFTER BEING CAUGHT ON CAMERA

RIDING A HORSE.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, DON'T TAKE MYWORD FOR IT.

LET'S READ FROM HIS ACTUAL DIARYABOUT THE INCIDENT.

[CLEARS THROAT][AS RONALD REAGAN]: FRIDAY,

SEPTEMBER 2ND, THE SOVIETS SHOTDOWN A KOREAN AIRLINER WITH

269 PASSENGERS, 53 OFTHEM AMERICANS, INCLUDING

CONGRESSMAN LARRY McDONALD. WEWERE DUE TO RETURN TO WASHINGTON

ON LABOR DAY BUT REALIZED WECOULDN'T WAIT.

WE LEFT ON FRIDAY.

IT WAS HEARTBREAKING, DASH, IHAD REALLY LOOKED FORWARD TO

THOSE LAST THREE DAYS.

PUNCTUATION REAGANS.

YES.

REAGAN WAS IN DEEP MOURNING FORLOSING THE FINAL 12% OF HIS

VACATION.

IN FACT, IN 1988, WHEN THE U.S.

ACCIDENTALLY SHOT DOWN ANIRANIAN AIRLINER, ALSO UNDER

REAGAN'S WATCH, REAGAN REFUSEDTO END THAT VACATION EARLY.

AND BY THE WAY, AMERICA WAS SOTORN UP ABOUT SHOOTING DOWN THAT

PLANE THAT THE COMMANDER OF THESHIP WHO DID IT LATER RECEIVED A

MEDAL FOR HIS SERVICE.

I BRIEF IT WAS CALLED THE SILVEROH, EW, OH.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, SHE IS SENIORCORRESPONDENT FOR "AL JAZEERA

ENGLISH," PLEASE WELCOME TO THEPROGRAM SUE TURTON.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> OH, PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

>> Jon: SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW,WE HAVE SEEN OVER THESE PAST FEW

YEARS THE DANGERS OF BEING AJOURNALIST IN THESE VERY

DIFFICULT REGIONS OF THE WORLD,BUT YOU ARE HERE SPECIFICALLY.

THERE ARE THREE JOURNALISTS FROMAL JAZEERA WHO ARE BEING

IMPRISONED.

THEY'RE HELD RIGHT NOW IN EGYPT.

>> YEP.

>> WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT?

>> THESE GUYS WERE ARRESTED BACKON THE TO THE 29th OF DECEMBER.

AT THE TIME THERE WAS REALCRACKDOWN GOING ON OF ALL

THE MEDIA COVERING WHATWAS GOING ON THE EGYPT.

>> Jon: YES.

>> I THINK IF YOU REMEMBERTHERE WAS A COUP LAST YEAR WHEN

THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, MOHAMEDMORSI WAS THE PRESIDENT.

>> Jon: YES.>> HE WAS REMOVED FROM POWER.

>> Jon: I AM FAMILIAR.

>> YEAH, AND THE MILITARY TOOKOVER.

AND, THEY BASICALLY WANT TO SHUTDOWN ANY DISSENT AGAINST THE

GOVERNMENT.>> Jon: MMHMM.

>> SO OUR GUYS WERE STILLOPERATING IN EGYPT QUIETLY, BUTWE WERE

STILL OPERATING THERE.

THEY CAME THROUGH THE HOTELDOOR.

THEY CALLED US THE MARRIOTTCELL AND THEY ARRESTED THE

THREE GUYS IN THE MARRIOTT CELL,IN THE HOTEL.

>> Jon: THEY CALLED YOUMARRIOTT CELL, AS THOUGH YOU

WERE IN THE MARRIOTT SLEEPERCELL. THESE THREE JOURNALISTS.

>> YES, THE MARRIOTT HOTEL.

>> Jon: YOU ALWAYS HAVE TOSTAY AT THE DAYS INN.

>> YEAH, WELL NOW WE KNOW.

>> Jon: THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM.

>> NOW WE KNOW. SO THEY'VE BEENIN PRISON EVER SINCE.

THIS IS 205 DAYS TODAY.

>> Jon: AND LET ME GET THESEGUYS' NAMES.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'SIMPORTANT. PETER GRESTE...

>> PETER GRESTE, THEAUSTRALIAN GUY.

>> Jon: YES.>> YEAH.

>> Jon: BAHER MOHAMED...>> BAHER MOHAMED IS EGYPTIAN

AND MOHAMED FAHMY WHO IS OURBUREAU CHIEF WHO IS

HALF CANADIAN, HALFEGYPTIAN. SO...

>> RIGHT. NOW ONE OF THESEGENTLEMEN IS IN THE HOSPITAL

RIGHT NOW?>> YEAH, MOHAMED FAHMY HE HAD

A DISLOCATED SHOULDER AND ITSUDDENLY SORT OF BECAME BROKEN

WHILE HE WAS BEING TRANSFERREDTO PRISON.

>> Jon: SURE, PEOPLE CAN SLIPAND FALL.

>> THEY CAN SLIP. YEAH.

>> Jon: SURE.

>> AND, THEN HE WAS, THEYWERE PUT IN MAXIMUM SECURITY

TERRORIST PRISON CALLED THESCORPION'S UNIT BECAUSE --.

>> Jon: WHO'S NAMING THINGSIN EGYPT THESE DAYS, OUR C.I.A.?

[LAUGHTER]THE, UH, 200 DAYS.

NOW, THERE'S A BIG DEAL MADETHAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE

APPEALED TO EL-SISI, WHO IS NOWTHE PHARAOH THERE.

[LAUGHTER]AND, HE SAYS HE CAN'T DO

ANYTHING BECAUSE THE JUDICIARYIS A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM,

FROM... IT'S NOTUNDER HIS AUSPICES.

>> HE WAS VERY MUCH MAKING THEPOINT THAT IT'S AN INDEPENDENT

JUDICIAL SYSTEM. AND WE WERE ALLHOPING THAT WAS THE CASE.

WE HAD 12 SESSIONS OF A TRIAL,WHICH I WAS ON TRIAL AS WELL

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TRIED INABSENTIA.

THERE WAS A NUMBER OF US THATEVEN THOUGH WE WEREN'T

IN THE COUNTRY, WE WEREALSO ACCUSED OF HELPING

TERRORISTS, THEMUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.

>> Jon: RIGHT. AND THESEGUYS ARE MERELY REPORTING SOME

NEGATIVE THINGS JUST OBJECTIVELYTHAT THE REGIME WOULD

FIND OBJECTIONABLE.

>> WELL, WERE WE REPORTINGNEGATIVE THINGS?

BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.

BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SHOWANYTHING IN COURT THAT HAD

ANYTHING TO DO WITHOUR REPORTING.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THERE WAS, THERE WAS A HORSEGALLOPING IN A YARD...

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> THAT THEY PULLED FROM

THE HARD DRIVE THAT THEY SHOWEDIN COURT.

THERE WAS FOOTAGE FROM DIFFERENTCOUNTRIES THAT SOME OF OUR

JOURNALISTS HAD DONE, BUTNOTHING TO DO WITH EGYPT.

>> Jon: MY FAVORITE PART OFTHE TRIAL WAS WHEN THE

PROSECUTOR SAID, I HAVE MOREHARD EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE

TERRORISTS, BUT I CANNOT SHOW ITBECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT

DVD PLAYER.

[LAUGHTER]>> I MEAN, THAT WAS THE, THAT

WAS THE REAL TENET OF THE WHOLECASE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

WE WERE EXPECTING THEPROSECUTION TO COME UP WITH SOME

AMAZING EVIDENCE THAT WE WEREALL QUITE CONFUSED ABOUT...

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED.

BUT EVEN STILL, WE WERE FOUNDGUILTY, AND I'VE BEEN SENTENCED

FOR TEN YEARS IN JAIL INABSENTIA.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THE GUYS IN PRISON HAVE GOTBETWEEN SEVEN AND TEN YEARS IN

JAIL. THEY'RE GOING TO APPEAL,BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME

JUDICIAL SYSTEM THAT PUT THEMTHERE.

>> Jon: SO, WHAT IS UNDERLYINGTHIS?

BECAUSE SOMETHING, SOMETHING ISGOING ON.

SO, WHAT IS IT THAT'SUNDERLYING THEIR IMPRISONMENT?

IT'S CLEARLY NOT WHAT THEY'RESAYING IT IS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS?

>> THERE'S NO LOVE LOST BETWEENQATAR, WHICH IS WHERE AL JAZEERA

IS BASED, AND EGYPT AT THEMOMENT.

THERE IS A REAL TUSSLE GOINGON IN THAT WHOLE REGION.

>> NOW THERE WAS, THOUGH, WHENMORSI WAS IN POWER...

>> YEAH.>> Jon: THEY WERE ALLIED WITH

QATAR. >> INDEED.

AND THERE'S NO SECRET THAT QATARDID FUND THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

AND THAT THE PRESIDENT, WHEN HEWAS ELECTED, I MEAN, AFTER THE

REVOLUTION IN 2011, PRESIDENTMORSI WAS THE GUY THEY PUT

IN POWER. THE EGYPTIAN PEOPLESAID, WE WANT THIS GUY.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> NOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED INTHE LAST TWO YEARS.

SO, YEAH, QATAR WAS VERY MUCHBACKING THEM, AND NOW,

OF COURSE, THEY'RE OUT, ANDTHE NEW GUYS ARE IN.

QATAR'S OUT.>> Jon: THE SAUDIS ARE IN NOW.

THE SAUDIS ARE THEONES NOW FUNDING EL-SISI...

>> THE SAUDIS ARE BACKING, YEP,YEP...

>> $24 BILLION. CAN THE SAUDISTHEN PUT SOME PRESSURE?

DOES INTERNATIONAL PRESSURE, DOINTERNATIONAL NORMS MEAN

ANYTHING ANYMORE?

BECAUSE IT SEEMS THE FURTHER WEGO INTO THESE CONFLICTS, THERE

IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY FORBEHAVIORS OF GOVERNMENTS.

>> THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO ISPRAY THAT IT DOES MAKE

DIFFERENCE.

>> Jon: OK, THAT DOESN'T REALLYFILL ME WITH ANY TYPE OF HOPE.

>> NO, I KNOW.

>> Jon: TO BE HONEST WITHYOU, IN THAT SITUATION, YOU

DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH GOD YOU'REPRAYING TO TO GET THEM OUT.

>> I PRAY TO THEM ALL, JON. IPRAY TO THEM ALL.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT. PRAY TO THEMALL.

>> NO, NO, I PRAY TO THEM ALL.

>> Jon: BUT, IS THERE ANYWHERETO APPEAL?

WHO'S GOT SWAY IN THIS?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, THE AMERICANADMINISTRATION HAS GOT SWAY

BECAUSE THE EGYPTIANS AND THEAMERICANS HAVE BEEN GOOD

FRIENDS FOR A LONG TIMES.

AND YOU KNOW, STRATEGICALLY IT'SIMPORTANT THAT AMERICA IS

FRIENDS WITH EGYPT.

>> Jon: SO, YOU THINK WE COULDGET THEM OUT?

YOU'RE ADORABLE.

[LAUGHTER]NO WAY.

>> NO?

>> Jon: WE DON'T HAVE...

YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN THE ENTIRETHING IS AMERICA ALWAYS

BELIEVES WE CAN CONTROL ALLTHESE OUTCOMES, BUT

I THINK THE GAME HAS SLOWLYSLIPPED A LITTLE BIT.

CAN PEOPLE DO ANYTHING?

WOULD THAT MATTER?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S ACOUPLE THINGS.

WE'VE HAD THIS TWITTER CAMPAIGN,THIS FREE AJ STAFF CAMPAIGN

THAT HAS GONE GLOBAL, IT'STRENDING A LOT.

>> Jon: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> SO, PEOPLE CAN TAKE A SELFIESOF THEMSELVES WITH TAPE OVER

THEIR MOUTHS AND HOLD THESIGN UP...

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.>> BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW WHAT,

HAVE A CONSCIENCE ABOUTWHERE YOU GO ON HOLIDAY.

YOU KNOW, SO MANY TIMES WHEN I'MIN EGYPT...

>> Jon: VOTE WITH YOURDOLLARS. I SEE.

>> YEAH, YOUR TOURISM DOLLARS.

I HEAR AMERICAN ACCENTS WHEN I'MOUT IN EGYPT.

MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE TIME TOGO LOOK AT THE PYRAMIDS AT THE

MOMENT.>> Jon: RIGHT. WHEN YOU

SEE AMERICAN ACCENTS DO YOU ALSOSEE BERMUDA SHORTS

AND VERY LARGE FLOWERYSHIRTS BY ANY CHANCE?

>> USUALLY, YES.

>> Jon: THAT BE US.

I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.

I TRULY HOPE THAT THESE THREEJOURNALISTS, THAT SANITY

PREVAILS, THAT THESE GUYS WILLBE RELEASED BACK TO THEIR

FAMILIES SOONER RATHER THANLATER.

KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> Jon: SUE TURTON, LADIES ANDGENTLEMEN, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: ALL RIGHT. THAT'S OUR

SHOW. JOIN US TOMORROWNIGHT AT 11:00.

HERE IT IS. YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> THE ALLEGATION HERE BY THESELF-APPOINTED PRIME MINISTER IS

THAT UKRAINE HAD ACCESS TO THESERUSSIAN WEAPONS, AS WELL.

CAN YOU SHOOT THAT DOWN?

EXCUSE THE PUN, AS A THEORY?

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