July 24, 2014 - Fareed Zakaria

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Gov. Andrew Cuomo tackles corruption everywhere but in his own office, a Japanese artist commits an unusual crime, and Fareed Zakaria discusses diplomacy in a changing world. 

>> Jon: WELCOME TO "THE DAILYSHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

VERY GOOD SHOW TONIGHT.MY GUEST TONIGHT, OH,

ONE OF OUR FAVORITES THERE, MR.FAREED ZAKARIA.

FAREED ZAKARIA WILL BE JOININGUS ON THE PROGRAM TONIGHT.

PEOPLE ARE HOOTING BECAUSEAPPARENTLY TONIGHT AT "THE DAILY

SHOW" IT'S CHUCK E. CHEESENIGHT.

EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, IT'STHEIR BIRTHDAY, THE ENTIRE,

ENTIRE AUDIENCE.

BUT FIRST, WE'VE THROWN CERTAINPUBLIC FIGURES A FAIR AMOUNT OF

SHADE FOR ONE PARTICULARUNSEEMLY DINING HABIT,

THE PIZZA WITH A FORK.

IT'S, IT'S THE GREATEST SIN ANEW YORKER CAN COMMIT NEXT TO,

OBVIOUSLY, DOING CARNAL THINGSWITH AN ONION BAGEL.

LOOK, MY POINT IS THIS,IT TURNS OUT WE GOT

OURSELVES A REPEAT OFFENDER.

>> BILL DE BLASIO AND HIS FAMILYARRIVED IN NAPLES TODAY.

>> HE WAS AGAIN CAUGHT USING AFORK AND KNIFE WHILE DINING WITH

HIS FAMILY AT APIZZERIA IN NAPLES.

THE MAYOR SAYS IT'S IN KEEPINGWITH PEOPLE AND HOW THEY EAT

THEIR SLICES THERE.

>> Jon: OH, YEAH, BLAME IT ONTHE LOCALS.

SURE, YEAH, CLASSIC.

ALTHOUGH I DO GUESS IF HE JUSTDID PICK UP HIS PIZZA SLICE AND

EAT IT WITH HIS HANDS, I BETTHE ITALIAN "DAILY SHOW"

WOULD HAVE HAD A FIELD DAY ONHIM.

[LAUGHTER]WOW, THAT GUY REALLY MUGS FOR

THE CAMERA.

WRITE SOME JOKES.

HERE'S MY FAVORITE PART OF THIS.

KEEP YOUR EYE ON DEBLASIO'S DAUGHTER CHIARA.

SHE'S ANTICIPATING THE REACTIONBACK IN THE STATES WITH AN

INTERNATIONAL GESTURE.

[LAUGHTER]THAT'S AN INTERNATIONAL GESTURE

THAT CAN ONLY BE CALLED, "YOUWORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN [BLEEPED]

LUNCH." YOU KNOWWHAT, MAYBE EATING PIZZA WITH

A KNIFE AND FORKISN'T SO NEW YORK, BUT YOU KNOW

WHAT'S PURE NEW YORK,THE ESSENCE OF THIS

GREAT CITY?

FINDING A NEW NON-VERBAL WAY OFTELLING SOMEONE TO [BLEEPED]

OFF.

WE MISS YOU GUYS.

SPEAKING OF OUR FAIR CITY ANDSTATE, NEW YORK HAS HAD ITS FAIR

SHARE OF ALBANY-BASED CORRUPTIONIN RECENT YEARS, WHETHER IT BE

NEW YORK STATE SENATOR MALCOLMSMITH TRYING TO BUY HIS WAY ON

TO THE MAYORAL BALLOT LAST YEAR,STATE SENATOR JOHN SAMPSON'S

$440,000 EMBEZZLEMENT CASE ORPERHAPS YOU'D PREFER SOMETHING

MORE COMPLEX, MORESOPHISTICATED.

STATE ASSEMBLYMAN ERICSTEVENSON CAUGHT ACCEPTING

BRIBES IN EXCHANGE FORLEGISLATION ON A WIRE STING

CONDUCTED BY ANOTHERASSEMBLYMAN MR. CASTRO,

COOPERATING, MOST LIKELYAFTER BEING INDICTED HIMSELF ON

PERJURY CHARGES.

YES, ALBANY IS A VERITABLE[BLEEPED] MAN'S SAMPLER OF

CORRUPTION.

OH, WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE?

OH, THIS ONE, OH, YEAH, THISTASTES LIKE STATE SENATOR

MONSERRATE'S DOMESTIC VIOLENCEISSUES.

MMM, WITH A FEDERAL MAIL FRAUDGANACHE AND JUST A HINT, A HINT

OF CONSPIRACY CHARGES NOUGAT.

MMM, MMM.

BUT A FEW YEARS BACK THEREEMERGE A MAN PROMISING TO CHANGE

ALL THAT.

[LAUGHTER]I HAD TO PICK THE ONE WITH THE

CARAMEL. I HAD TO PICK THECARAMEL.

HAD TO PICK THE ONE THAT DOESN'TDIGEST FOR LIKE AN HOUR AND A

HALF.

THERE WE GO.

THERE EMERGED A MAN TO FIGHTTHIS, A CORRUPTION BATTLING

ATTORNEY GENERAL.

NO, NOT THAT ONE.

NOT THE ONE WHO HAD TO RESIGN INHIS OWN PERSONAL CORRUPTION

SCANDAL.

THAT'S THE ONE.

ANDREW CUOMO, A CORRUPTIONFIGHTING FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL

WHO CAMPAIGNED FOR GOVERNOR ONONE OFT-REPEATED PLEDGE.

>> IT'S ABOUT TIME WE CLEAN UPALBANY.

>> CLEAN UP ALBANY.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITHCLEANING UP ALBANY.

WE NEED TO CLEAN UP ALBANY NOW.

>> Jon: AND WHILE I HAVE YOU,HAVE YOU BEEN INJURED IN CAR

ACCIDENT?

[LAUGHTER]HAVE YOU BEEN EXPOSED TO

ASBESTOS?

I CAN HELP ALL THREE THINGS.

ANYWAY, CUOMO WAS ELECTED ANDTHEN TRIED TO ENACT SOMETHING

CALLED "THE PUBLIC TRUST ACT."

WHICH WOULD ENHANCE PROSECUTORS'ABILITIES TO CRACK DOWN ON

PUBLIC CORRUPTION.

THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE PROBLEMWITH THIS, IT TURNS OUT

LEGISLATIVE BODIES THAT AREFETID SWAMPS OF CORRUPTION

ARE GENERALLY LOATHE TO PASSDREDGING LEGISLATION.

WE ALL REMEMBER SENATOR PIGPEN'SVERY FAMOUS FILIBUSTER OF THE

1952 BATH ACT.

[LAUGHTER]WELL, GUESS WHAT?

GOVERNOR CUOMO DOESN'T TAKENO-MO.

FOR... FOR, AH [BLEEPED] IT,HE TRIED SOMETHING ELSE.

>> IN RESPONSE, THE GOVERNORCREATED WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE

MOORELAND COMMISSION TOINVESTIGATE CORRUPTION WITHIN

THE LEGISLATURE.

>> Jon: OH, SO CORRUPTION ISNOT ENOUGH OF A PROBLEM TO PASS

LEGISLATION.

WELL, THEN I GUESS YOU WOULDN'TMIND IF MY COMMISSION LOOKED

UNDER HERE.

WHAT'S UNDER HERE?

AND LO AND BEHOLD, JUST NINEMONTHS LATER...

>> LAST MONTH THE LEGISLATUREPASSED THE ETHICS BILL AS PART

OF THE STATE BUDGET.

AND CUOMO MADE THE DECISION TODISBAND HIS COMMISSION.

>> Jon: THERE YOU HAVE IT,FOLKS.

COMMISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

AS ANDREW CUOMO CAMPAIGNS FORHIS REELECTION, HE CAN BE SECURE

KNOWING THAT HIS TENACITY HELPEDCLEAN UP GOTHAM CITY.

A REFORMER WHO ROSE ABOVEPOLITICS AS USUAL CORRUPTION

BECAUSE OF GREAT POWER COMESGREAT RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE

HULK SMASH.

>> REPORTS IN THE "NEW YORKTIMES" CLAIM THAT AFTER

APPOINTING THE COMMISSION,THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE

INTERFERED WITH ITS WORK,"OBJECTING WHENEVER THE

COMMISSION FOCUSED ON GROUPSWITH TIES TO MR. CUOMO."

>> THE GOVERNOR CREATED A PANELTO TACKLE CORRUPTION THEN

SYSTEMATICALLY BLOCKED IT FROMPROBING ANYTHING RELATED TO

HIMSELF.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: SAY IT AIN'T SO, ANDY.

SAY IT AIN'T SO.

WELL, IT'S NOT LIKE HE EVER SAIDTHE COMMISSION COULD INVESTIGATE

THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

>> THE COMMISSION CLEARLY HASTHE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO LOOK AT

ANYTHING THEY WANT TO LOOK AT,INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR, THE

ATTORNEY GENERAL, THECONTROLLER, ET CETERA.

THEY HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY.

>> Jon: BASICALLY CUOMO FORMEDA COMMISSION PROMISING YOU CAN

EVEN LOOK AT ME, AND THEN WHENTHEY LOOKED AT HIM, HE SAID, YOU

LOOKIN' AT ME?

YOU LOOKIN' AT ME?

I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER GOVERNORSHERE.

YOU LOOKIN' AT ME?

YOU LOOKIN' AT ME?

SO, GOVERNOR CUOMO?

>> GOVERNOR CUOMO'S OFFICE GAVETHE TIMES A 13-PAGE STATEMENT.

"A COMMISSION APPOINTED BY ANDSTAFFED BY THE EXECUTIVE CANNOT

INVESTIGATE THE EXECUTIVE."

>> ARGUING THAT SINCE HE CREATEDIT AND THAT SINCE THE COMMISSION

REPORTED TO HIM, HE COULD NOT BEACCUSED OF INTERFERENCE.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW THAT[BLEEPED] RIDICULOUS, RIGHT?

[LAUGHTER]YOU KNOW THE "I MADE IT I CAN DO

WHAT I WANT WITH IT EXCUSE" ONLYWORKS FOR GEORGE LUCAS.

YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT?

I DON'T CARE HOW INCONGRESS ITIS THAT THIS SPACE WESTERN NOW

INCLUDES A REGGAE RABBIT LIVINGUNDER THE SEA.

HE STAYS IN THE PICTURE.

HE STAYS!

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]NOW WHY COULDN'T...

>> REGGAE RABBIT.

YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU, GEORGE.

TURNS OUT GOVERNOR CUOMO MAY BELIKE THE BOSS WHO SAYS,

YEAH NO, WE'LL PLAY HOOPS ATLUNCH. YOU CAN GO HARD.

WHEN JIMMY FROM ACCOUNTINGBLOCKS HIS SHOT AS HE DRIVES THE

LANE, HE GOES, HEY, THE OTHERTEAM'S NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH

THE BALL BECAUSE ISTARTED THE GAME.

LOOK, I REALLY HOPE THERE'SNOTHING TO THIS BECAUSE

NEW YORK'S GOVERNORS HAVE TWOHALLS, SHAME AND FAME.

AND ONE OF THEM IS VERY CROWDED.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE][CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

NOW, IT TURNS OUT NEW YORK ISNOT THE ONLY PLACE DEALING WITH

THE REGIONAL CULTURE SPECIFICCRIME. JAPAN, WHERE ARTIST

MEGUMI IGARASHI WASARRESTED LAST WEEK FOR

DISTRIBUTING PLANS TO 3-D PRINTMODELS OF HER OWN VAGINA,

THUS BREAKING JAPANESEOBSCENITY LAWS.

HUH?

FIRST OF ALL, JAPAN HASOBSCENITY LAWS?

YOU ARRESTED HER FOR THAT?

I MEAN, COME ON.

YOU GOT HAVE A BACK-UP VAGINA INCASE THE FIRST ONE CRASHES.

IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.

IGARASHI'S CASE IS THE SUBJECTOF OUR NEW SEGMENT, "WE MAY HAVE

PROBLEMS BUT AT LEAST WE'RE NOTJAILING ARTISTS FOR 3-D PRINTING

THEIR VAGINAS," BROUGHTTO YOU BY DECADES OF DEEP SEXUAL

REPRESSION AND FISHCAKES.

MMM.

FISHCAKES.

NOW, YOU'RE PROBABLYWONDERING, WHY WOULD SOMEONE

SELL 3-D MODELS OF THEIR VAGINA?

WELL, DUH. [LAUGHTER]

TO RAISE MONEY TO 3-DPRINT AN EVEN BIGGER MODEL OF

HER VAGINA,SPECIFICALLY A VAGINA-SHAPED

BOAT, WHICH IF I'M NOTMISTAKEN IS ALSO THE PLOT OF

"FIELD OF DREAMS."

I NEVER SAW IT. AH MAYBE...

NOW, IGARASHI HAS SINCE BEENRELEASED FROM JAIL.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE REAL STORYHERE.

THE REAL STORY IS THAT THISHAPPENED IN JAPAN, A COUNTRY

WHOSE TELEVISION PROGRAMMINGINCLUDES SUCH CLASSICS AS "GUYS

IN THEIR UNDERWEAR SPINNING AGIANT WHEEL THAT SLOWLY

UNDRESSES A WOMAN, AND WOMENCOMPETEING TO SEE HOW MUCH

CHANGE THEY CAN HOLD IN THEIRCLEAVAGE."

APPARENTLY THAT'S TOTALLY COOL.

[LAUGHTER]INCIDENTALLY, JAPAN,

CONGRATULATIONS ON INVENTINGSOMETHING SOMEHOW MORE DEMEANING

THAN ACTUAL PORNOGRAPHY.

PLEASE TAKE THAT PICTURE DOWNBEFORE SOMEONE BUYS THE AMERICAN

RIGHTS TO THAT SHOW.

I DON'T GET HOW A COUNTRYCHEIFLY FAMOUS FOR SUPERIOR

TECHNOLOGY, AND LET'S CALL ITCREATIVE SEXUALITY, HAS SEEN THE

PERFECT COMBINATION OF THOSE TWOTALENTS AND DECIDED, NO, THAT'S

TOO FAR.

ON THE JAPANESE PERVOMETER, THEVAGINA BOAT IS PRACTICALLY A

DISNEY WORLD RIDE.

BY THE WAY, YOU SHOULD SEE THELINE AT THAT RIDE.

[LAUGHTER]HERE'S WHAT REALLY GETS ME,

JAPAN, IT'S NOT THAT I LOVEVAGINA-THEMED BOATS,

ALTHOUGH, YES, I DO KEEP ONEDOWN THE SHORE. NO, WHAT GETS ME

IS YOUR PUBLIC DISPLAY OFGENITAL DOUBLE STANDARD.

>> EVERY SPRING IN JAPAN, PEOPLETRAVEL TO KAWASAKI FOR A

FESTIVAL THAT IS LIKE NO OTHER.CALLED THE FESTIVAL OF THE

STEEL PHALLUS. AS IN ERECTPENIS.

THE FESTIVAL FEATURES PEOPLEMARCHING AND DANCING THROUGH THE

STREETS, PARADING AROUNDGIGANTIC PENIS SHAPED MIKOSHI.

>> Jon: LOOK, HEY, I UNDERSTANDTHESE PENISES ARE PROUD OF THEIR

CULTURE, BUT DO THEY HAVE TO BESO LOUD AND HAVE A PARADE?

COME ON.

THAT'S MY NEW CHARACTER, GUY WHOIS PREJUDICE AGAINST PENIS

CULTURE.

JAPAN, YOU ARRESTED A WOMAN FOR3-D PRINTING HER VAGINA, BUT

YOU GAVE DICKS THEIR OWNHOLIDAY.

[LAUGHTER]I GUESS IF YOU COMMUTE TO THE

DONG PARADE IN YOUR VAGINA BOAT,YOU GO TO JAIL.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINSTVAGINAS?

>> THE LEGEND GOES AS SUCH: AWOMAN HAD A DEMONIC PENIS-EATING

VAGINA THAT REMAINED UNDEFEATEDUNTIL A BLACKSMITH INVENTED AN

INDESTRUCTIBLE IRON PHALLUS THATSHATTERED THE DEMON'S TEETH.

[LAUGHTER]>> I COULD SEE HOW THAT WOULD

LEAVE SOME ILL FEELINGS.

ALL RIGHT.

LOOK, JAPAN, I DON'T WANT TOTELL YOU HOW THE RUN YOUR

COUNTRY, BUT JUST THINK ABOUT ITTHIS WAY: AMERICA HAS A LONG

TRADITION OF ALLOWING ITS FEMALEARTISTS TO EXPRESS THEIR

INNERMOST THOUGHTS.

AND AS A RESULT, WE DON'T SPEND51 WEEKS A YEAR STORING A GIANT

STEEL DICK IN OUR GARAGE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, HE IS THE HOSTOF CNN'S "FAREED ZAKARIA GPS."

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO OURPROGRAM FAREED ZAKARIA.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M WELL.

I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS, BECAUSE IREALIZE I MIGHT BE SPEAKING TO

MY FUTURE BOSS.

>> Jon: YES.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING?

OUR FAKE KICK STARTER TO BUY CNNIS UP TO $150 BILLION NOW.

PEOPLE ARE PLEDGING $10 BILLION,$15 BILLION, $20 BILLION.

I MEAN, WHEN WE CHARGE THEIRCREDIT CARDS, I HAVE A FEELING

WE'LL BE DISAPPOINTED.

>> BUT I THINK, I, I HOPE THATYOU, THAT YOU END UP GETTING

CNN. I THINK IT WOULD BE AFASCINATING CHALLENGE FOR YOU.

NO, IT'S TRUE...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: I WOULD LOVE NOTHING

MORE THAN THAT.

>> I THINK YOU'D LOVE IT. IMEAN, BECAUSE

YOU DO AN AMAZINGJOB. YOU PROGRAM HALF AN HOUR.

>> Jon: 22 MINUTES.>> 22 MINUTES.

>> Jon: 22 MINUTES, BUT I DO ITFOUR DAYS A WEEK.

>> I'LL GIVE YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU,I'LL GIVE YOU THE OTHER EIGHT

MINUTES.

>> Jon: AND IT'S KILLING ME.

>> SO THAT'S TWO HOURS OFPROGRAMMING A WEEK.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> RIGHT? CNN HAS 24 HOURS TIMESSEVEN...

>> Jon: SURE.>> 168 HOURS.

>> Jon: YEAH, BUT I'LL DO WHATCNN DOES.

I'LL JUST LET WOLF BLITZER FILLIN THE REST OF THE 18 HOURS.

[LAUGHTER]I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT...

YOU HAVE WRITTEN RECENTLY, THISIS NOT THE WORST TIME IN

HISTORY.

EXPLAIN YOURSELF.

[LAUGHTER]>> WELL, YOU KNOW, JON, IT

WAS RIFFING OFF ASPEECH JOHN McCAIN MADE, ONE OF

YOUR FAVORITES.

>> Jon: WHO?

[LAUGHTER]>> AND HE SAID THAT THIS IS THE

MOST TERRIBLE, YOU KNOW,INTERNATIONAL SECURITY SITUATION

I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFETIME,AND IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF

PRESIDENT OBAMA. AND IJUST THOUGHT WE NEEDED

SOME PERSPECTIVE THAT, YOU KNOW,DURING THE COLD WAR, THE

SUPERPOWERS HAD 45,000 NUCLEARMISSILES POINTED AT EACH OTHER.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> WE WENT, WE WENT TO WAR INVIETNAM WHERE

WE LOST 50, WHATEVER IT WAS,ALMOST 60,000 AMERICANS, BUT THE

VIETNAMESE LOST THREE MILLION BYSOME COUNTS, AT LEAST ONE

MILLION.

THERE WAS THE 1973 WAR BETWEENEGYPT AND ISRAEL.

WE WENT UP TO DEFCON THREE,WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHEST

STATE OF ALERT OTHER THANTHE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH SOME PRETTYTOUGH STUFF. YES...

>> Jon: WE FOUGHT A CIVIL WAR,WE, WE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF

PEOPLE.

>> YOU MIGHT HAVE FORGOTTEN,THAT WASN'T DURING McCAIN'S

LIFETIME. IT DOES SEEM, IT DOESSEEM THAT WAY.

[LAUGHTER][CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

THOUGH I CAN UNDERSTAND THEMISTAKE.

>> Jon: HE'S GOING TO LOVETHAT.

>> SO, SO THE POINT I WASMAKING WAS WE'RE FACING SERIOUS,

COMPLICATED ISSUES.THE RUSSIA DOING WHAT IT'S DOING

IN CRI -->> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT, YOU KNOW, THE RUSSIANSINVADED CZECHOSLOVAKIA IN '68,

AND HUNGARY IN '56.THERE WERE TWO RUSSIAN ATTEMPTS

TO SQUASH, YOU KNOW, THEIRSATELLITES.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH TOUGH STUFF,BUT LET'S NOT START TALKING

ABOUT HOW, OH MY GOD, YOUKNOW, THE WORLD IS

COLLAPSING, WE'VE NEVER SEENANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.

AND THAT DID SEEM VERY PARTISANRATHER THAN SOME KIND OF AN

OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF THESITUATION.

>> Jon: FROM McCAIN.>> WELL...

>> Jon: UNUSUAL FOR HIM.

>> WELL, AS YOU KNOW, HE USED TOBE... THERE WAS A TIME WHEN

MCCAIN WAS, WAS DIFFERENT.

>> Jon: YEAH, NO. HE GOT BIT BYA MOSQUITO OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL, IDON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL

HAPPENED TO THAT GUY, BUTWOULDN'T YOU SAY... IT SEEMS TO

ME THAT A LOT OF THE ISSUE ISINSTABILITY IS MUCH EASIER.

TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE IT SO THATINSTABILITY IS EASIER TO CREATE.

IT TAKES LESS MONEY AND LESSPEOPLE TO CREATE INSTABILITY IN

REGIONS THAN IT USED TO BECAUSETHEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON

RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATEDWEAPONRY FOR VERY SMALL GROUPS.

>> YEAH, THIS IS THE BIG CHANGEIN A SENSE THAT'S TAKEN PLACE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEDEMOCRATIZATION OF VIOLENCE,

YOU KNOW.>> Jon: YES.

>> TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE IT SOTHAT YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED

WITH THIS PLANE.

IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE EVEN TENYEARS AGO I THINK FOR SMALL

GROUP OF THUGS TO FIRE A MISSILETHAT COULD GO 33,000 FEET UP IN

THE AIR AND TAKE OUT A CIVILIANAIRLINER.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> YOU COULD GET TO LOWER-FLYINGAIRCRAFT.

YOU COULD GET TO HELICOPTERS.

>> Jon: AND THEY HAVE THOSESHOULDER MISSILES.

>> RIGHT. AND THERE WASSHOULDER AND...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT NOW WHAT YOU HAVE IS IT'SESSENTIALLY THE BACK OF A TRUCK.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING WHICH HAS ARADAR THAT IS PRETTY

SOPHISTICATED.

NOW, HERE'S THE CATCH, IT'SSOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO TELL YOU

THAT THERE'S AN AIRLINER ANDYOU CAN HIT IT.

IT CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER IT'SCIVILIAN OR MILITARY.

FOR THAT YOU NEED TO BE PLUGGEDINTO A MUCH WIDER RADAR SYSTEM.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO, IT SHOWS YOU, YOU KNOW,YOU HAVE ENOUGH POWER TO BE

REALLY RESPONSIBLEAND NIHILISTIC. AND THAT'S...

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> THAT'S THE DANGER.

>> Jon: AND, THAT'S THE DANGER.

AND THEN INSTAGRAM IT AS SOON ASYOU DID IT. LIKE THAT'S...

>> RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOINGTHIS THING NOW WHERE THEY WEAVE

CHAOS AND THEN POST IT.>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS TOBE THEIR METHODOLOGY. AND THEN

THAT CATCHES FIRE AMONGST OTHERDISAFFECTED GROUPS.

SO DOESN'T THAT THROW INTO...

THIS ENTIRE PARADIGM OF AMERICANPOWER THAT SUPPRESSES THESE

POCKETS OF INSTABILITY ISENTIRELY BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER,

THIS IDEA THAT, OH, IF WE JUSTCHANGE REGIMES WE WILL STABILIZE

COUNTRIES.

WHAT WE SEE NOW IS, WE SOWCHAOS.

>> WELL, IT SHOWS YOU THATANYONE TRYING TO DO IT, IT'S

MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. LOOK...

>> Jon: RIGHT. BUT NO ONE ELSESEEMS TO TRY TO DO IT.

>> NO, THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT ISTRYING IN THEIR OWN WAY...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> TO SUPPRESS WHAT THEY REGARDAS INSTABILITY, AND EVEN WITH

THE BRUTAL MECHANISM THEY'REUSING, IT'S NOT WORKING.

THE RUSSIANS TRIED IT INCHECHNYA, THEY MANAGED TO DO IT,

KILLED 250,000 CIVILIANS INDOING IT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> BUT YOU, FUNDAMENTALLY...

>> Jon: WELL, ISRAEL FACESTHE SAME THING.

>> IT DOES. EXACTLY.>> Jon: THEY THINK THAT

OVERWHELMING FORCEWILL BE THE ONLY THING...

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND THEN THE PEOPLEIN THAT AREA WHO ARE TRAPPED WHO

ARE NOT PART OF HAMAS...>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: OR NOT A PART OF THISINSURRECTION ARE DEVASTATED.

>> RIGHT. THE COST OF DISRUPTIONHAS DROPPED DRAMATICALLY.

>> Jon: RIGHT.>> AND THE COST OF ESTABLISHING

ORDER OF SOME KIND IS INCREDIBLYHIGH.

SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IRAQ, YOUKNOW, WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IF

WE HAD STAYED THERE, WOULD THATREALLY, WOULD 5,000 AMERICAN

TROOPS MANAGED TO TURN THISAROUND, IT SEEMS UNLIKELY.

>> Jon: RIGHT. 100,000 DIDN'TGET IT TO THE LEVEL OF STABILITY

THAT'S REQUIRED BY SOME OF THESECOUNTRIES.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Jon: IN YOUR MIND, IS THISNOW THEN THE NEW NORMAL

THAT WE LIVE WITH IS POCKETS OFINSTABILITY THAT CREATE

THESE CONFLAGRATIONS RATHER THANSORT OF WORLD CONFLICTS?

>> WELL, I THINK THE CRUCIALISSUE IS WHERE THE STATE HAS

LOST LEGITIMACY.

AND YOU SEE THAT IN THE BROADERMIDDLE EAST. YOU KNOW,

IF YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE EAST,20 YEARS AGO FROM LIBYA,

TUNISIA, EGYPT, IRAQ, SYRIA, YOUHAD A STABLE ORDER, BUT IT WAS

BASED ON REPRESSION.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO THE LEGITIMACY OF ALLTHOSE REGIMES IS GONE.

AND WHAT IT TURNS OUT IS THEREIS NOTHING HOLDING THOSE

COUNTRIES TOGETHER.

SO PEOPLE ARE PULLING BACK TOTHEIR DEEPER ROOTS, SHIA, SUNNI,

KURD.

>> Jon: DIFFERENT IDENTITIES,TRIBAL AND RELIGIOUS.

>> AND IN THAT SITUATION, ITHINK IT'S VERY HARD TO KEEP THE

STATE TOGETHER. I DON'T THINKIT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROBLEM

IN PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE ACOHERENT NATIONAL IDENTITY AND

THE STATE IS SEEN ASLEGITIMATE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT THERE WILL BE THOSEPOCKETS, AND THOSE I THINK

YOU'LL JUST HAVE A WORLDOF THOSE BADLANDS.

>> Jon: SO, THE NEW STATUS QUOIS WARLORDS AND A MORE FEUDAL

SYSTEM AND A BALKANIZATION...>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND THE REST OF US JUSTHAVE TO HOPE

THAT NOBODY THERE GETS A NUKE.

>> AND... RIGHT. AND, DON'T GOTHERE. YOU KNOW,

TRAVEL ADVISORIES ARE GOODFOREIGN POLICY FOR A WHILE.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYSI THINK A RAY OF SUNSHINE AND

OPTIMISTIC VOICE IN AWORLD OF DARKNESS.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

>> THANK, THANK YOU, BOSS.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: I CAN'T WAIT.

"FAREED ZAKARIA GPS."

IT AIRS SUNDAYS AT 10:00 A.M.

AND 1:00 P.M. ON JON STEWART'SCNN.

FAREED ZAKARIA.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

JOIN US NEXT WEEK AT 11:00,HERE'S YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> 18-YEAR-OLD PATRICK KING ISREHEARSING THE PART HE ALWAYS

WANTED, BUT THIS TEENAGER ALSOLOVES TO SMOKE, AND THAT MAY

KEEP HIM FROM PERFORMING ONOPENING NIGHT.

>> I LOVE SMOKING.

IT'S LIKE THERE'S A WHOLELIFESTYLE THAT GOES ALONG WITH

IT.

IT'S JUST SO MUCH FUN.

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