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November 18, 2014 - Benedict Cumberbatch

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Obamacare faces scrutiny yet again, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi demonstrates her political ruthlessness, and Benedict Cumberbatch discusses "The Imitation Game." (21:29)

>> Jon: WELCOME TO THE DAILYSHOW. MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, THIS ISEXCITING.

A YOUNG MAN NAMED BENEDICTCUMBERBATCH IS GOING TO JOIN US.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]GREAT FILM. IT'S A GREAT FILM,

AND HE'S GREAT IN IT.

BUT FIRST IT'S BEEN A ROUGH YEARFOR THE PRESIDENT OF THESE

UNITED STATES.

THE RISE OF ISIS. A MIDTERMSHELLACKING.

THE FAILURE TO GET EVEN ONECHAIR TO TURN AROUND ON

"THE VOICE." JUST ONE! COME ONGWEN, TURN AROUND!

BARACK IS SINGING!

BUT AS THE PRESIDENT SAID IN HIS"VOICE" AUDITION SONG

♪ THE SUN WILL COME OUT -->> A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE

SIGNED UP FOR OBAMA CARE ONSATURDAY, THE VERY FIRST DAY

OF THE LATEST DAY OF THE RECENTOPEN ENROLLMENT.

>> THE CONSUMER HAS A BETTERINTERACTION.

THINGS ARE SIMPLER, FASTER ANDMORE INTUITIVE.

>> Jon: OBAMACARE WEBSITE ISBETTER.

FOR EXAMPLE, NOW WHEN YOU LOGINTO THE NEW HEALTHCARE.GOV IT

OFFERS YOU A CHOICE OF INSURANCEOPTIONS RATHER THAN BRUNCH

OPTIONS FOR A DENNYS INKALAMAZOO.

ALSO THE NEW WEBSITE LOADSQUICKLY.

WHEREAS THE OLD SITE WOULDCUT THE BRAKES IN YOUR CAR.

SHE'S TERRIFIED.

AGAIN IT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT.

I BET ALL ANYONE IN WASHINGTONDC WILL TALK ABOUT THESE

AMAZING SUCCESS OF OBAMACARE.

>> ALL ANYONE IN WASHINGTON ISTALKING ABOUT IS A TAPE THAT

EMERGED RECENTLY OF AN OBAMACARECONSULTANT TELLING FOLKS

WHAT HE REALLY THINKS ABOUT THEAMERICANS BUYING THE INSURANCE.

>> Jon: OH, I BET HE THINKSTHEY'RE REALLY NEAT.

[LAUGHING]ACTUALLY THEY'RE

RETPEFRG TO OBAMA CARECONSULTANT JON GRUBER.

THAT'S ACTUALLY JON GRUDEN.

THAT'S FORMER BUCK'SCOACH JOHN GRUDEN.

THAT'S JOHN McCLANE'SNEMESIS HANS GRUBER.

THAT'S JUST A -- THAT'S JUSTA POPULAR CINEMA SNACK, GOOBERS.

THAT'S -- THANK YOU. SO WHAT DIDTHIS GUY SAY ABOUT OBAMACARE?

>> IT'S A VERY CLEVER, YOU KNOW,BASIC EXPLOITATION OF THE LACK

OF ECONOMIC UNDERSTANDING OFTHE AMERICAN VOTER.

THEY PROPOSED IT AND THATPASSED. BECAUSE THE AMERICAN

VOTERS ARE TOO STUPID TOUNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.

>> Jon: WHAT, HOW, WHAT!

WHAT!

HOW DARE THIS GRUBER!

SAY AMERICANS ARE STUPID.

[LAUGHING]WE CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE

SEVEN SUBTLY DIFFERENTFLAVORS OF COMBOS.

EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ALL JUSTBASICALLY HOLLOWED OUT LINCOLN

LOGS SOMEONE JIZZED IN.

I'M SORRY, I MEAN PRETZELSWITH CHEESE.

WHO IS THIS JERK,GRUBER ANYWAYS ?

>> JONATHAN GRUBER IS ANECONOMICS PROFESSOR.

>> Jon: EGGHEAD.

>> HE HAS SPENT HIS ENTIRE LIFEIN ACADEMIA.

>> Jon: SUPER EGGHEAD.

NERD PUNCHING ARM ACTIVATE.

>> GRUBER WORKS IN MASSACHUSETS.

>> Jon: TAXACHUSETS!

SUPER TAXACHUSETS EGGHEAD! ALLWE NEED TO WIN PROGRESSIVE

BOOGEYMAN BINGO IS FOR THIS MANTO HAVE THE PINCHED NASAL

TONE OF CLASSIC MOVIENERD, EDDIE DEEZEN.

>> BOY ARE YOU GUYS DUMB.

THAT SYSTEM PROBABLY CONTAINS ANEW DATA ENCRYPTION ALGORITHM.

>> Jon: WELL?

DOES HE?

>> THIS BILL WAS WRITTEN IN ATORTURED WAY TO MAKE SURE

CBO DID NOT SCORE THE MANDATE ASTAXES.

IF CBO SCORED THE MANDATE ASTAXES, THE BILL DIES.

LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IS A HUGEPOLITICAL ADVANTAGE.

AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, CALL ITTHE STUPIDITY OF THE AMERICAN

VOTER, OR WHATEVER.BUT BASICALLY THAT WAS REALLY,

REALLY CRITICAL TO GET ANYTHINGTO PASS.

[LAUGHING]>> Jon: HOLY [BEEP]!

[LAUGHING]SO THIS GUY EDDIE DEEZEN, I

MEAN GRUBER.

THIS GUY SAYS THAT THE AMERICANPEOPLE WERE PURPOSELY MISLEAD

ABOUT OBAMACARE.

WELL LET ME ASK ANOTHERQUESTION.

WHO THE [BEEP] IS HE?

BY A COMPLETE PERIPHERAL PLAYER.

President: WE HAVE DRAWN SOMEOF THE BRIGHTEST MINDS OF

ACADEMIA AND POLICY CIRCLES.

MANY OF THEM I HAVE STOLEN IDEASFROM LIBERALLY.

PEOPLE FROM ROBERT GORDON TOAUSTAN GOOLSBEE AND JON GRUBER.

>> HE ATTENDED FIVE OF THETWELVE MEETINGS AT THE OBAMA

WHITE HOUSE IN 2009 INCLUDINGTHE MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT.

>> WHEN THE BILL WAS BEINGWRITTEN THE ADMINISTRATION PAID

GRUBER ALMOST $400,000 FORTECHNICAL ADVICE ON DRAFTING THE

LAW.

>> Jon: THE WHITE HOUSECAFETERIA HAS A SANDWICH NOW

CALLED THE GRUBERGER.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITEDSTATES HAS A NECKLACE IT'S A

BROKEN MEDALLION.

THE OTHER HALF OF THAT MEDALLIONRESIDES ON THE PERSON OF ONE

JON GRUBER.

THIS IS THE PRESIDENT AND JONGRUBER TALKING ABOUT OBAMA CARE

OVER LUNCH.

[LAUGHING]SO, I DON'T WANT TO TELL

YOU HOW THAT ENDS.

SO THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIPTOLD US, THE DEMOCRATIC

LEADERSHIP TOLD US THAT THEINDIVIDUAL MANDATE IN THE

AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WAS NOT ATAX EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW IT WAS

A TAX.

THAT'S PRETTY SLIMY.

I GUESS ALL THEY CAN DO NOW ISGO BEFORE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

AND SAY, ALRIGHT.

WE MISLED YOU.

IT WAS FOR THE GREATER GOOD.

IT'S LIKE WHEN YOUR PARENTS TELLYOU THAT YOUR DOG

MR. MITTENS DIDN'T DIE HE JUSTWENT UPSTATE TO LIVE ON A FARM.

BUT YOU DIDN'T SAY GOODBYEBECAUSE APPARENTLY HE HAD A

MEETING THERE AT 3:00 IN THE[BLEEP] MORNING.

MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND YOUNEVER EXPLAINED WHY SCHNAUZERS

WERE HAVING A MEETING IN THEFIRST PLACE.

THE POINT IS I MISS YOUMR. MITTENS.

[LAUGHING] ALSO I THINK THE

DEMOCRATS CAN NOW COME CLEANABOUT HOW THE BILL WAS SOLD AND

MR. GRUBER'S INVOLVEMENT IN THATPROCESS.

OR -->> WE HAVE NEWS HERE IN THE PAST

FEW DAYS ABOUT SOME OFTHE COMMENTS MADE BY MR. GRUBER.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS.

[LAUGHING]>> Jon: CAN YOU EVER NOT, NOT

DISAPPOINT US?

YOU DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS.

>> OUR BILL BRINGS DOWN RATES.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEENJONATHAN GRUBER OF MIT'S

ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE COMPARISONIS TO THE STATUS QUO.

>> Jon: WHOEVER THAT GUY IS.

SO, THAT'S PRETTY LOUSY.

POLITICALLY.

BUT GRUBER STILL ISN'T DOING ANYSTRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THE ACT,

UNLESS IN ONE OF HIS CAUGHT ONTAPE RAMBLINGS HE SAID SOMETHING

THAT HACKED AWAY AT OBAMACARE'SACTUAL INNER WORKINGS.

>> THROUGH A POLITICALCOMPROMISE THE DECISION WAS MADE

THAT STATES SHOULD PLAY ACRITICAL ROLL IN RUNNING

THE HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGES.AND THE HEALTH INSURANCE

EXCHANGES ARE THE CENTERPIECEOF THIS REFORM.

IF YOU'RE A STATE AND YOU DON'TSET UP YOUR EXCHANGE,

THAT MEANS YOUR CITIZENSDON'T GET THEIR TAX CREDITS.

>> Jon: OH, BOY. GRUBER HERESEEMS TO BE SUGGESTING

THAT THE LAW ONLY PROVIDESSUBSIDIES TO LOWER INCOME

INDIVIDUALS TO HELP THEMPAY FOR THEIR INSURANCE THROUGH

STATE EXCHANGES NOT THE FEDERALEXCHANGE.

AND SINCE THE FEDERAL EXCHANGECOVERS 36 STATES THAT WOULD

EFFECTLY SCRAP THE AFFORDABLEPART OF

THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.

BUT HERE IS THE THING.THAT'S IF YOU LOOK AT JUST ONE

CLAUSE AND IGNORE THE REST OFTHE LAW BECAUSE THE ACA ALSO

STATES THAT WHEN STATES FAIL TOSTEP UP AND CREATE THE REQUIRED

EXCHANGES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT"SHALL ESTABLISH AND OPERATE

SUCH A EXCHANGE WITHIN THESTATE." AND ACCORDING TO A

BIPARTISAN GROUP OF NEARLY 50EXPERTS IN HEALTH ECONOMY,

NOTHING IN THE RECORDS SUGGESTSTHAT CONGRESS INTENDED THE

ECONOMICALLY DISASTROUS APPROACHOF DRAMATICALLY LIMITING

SUBSIDIES ONLY TO PARTICIPANTSOF THE STATE EXCHANGES.

SO REALLY IT'S A MATTER OFINTERPRETATION.

EITHER THE LAW INTENDS FOR THEFEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE

SUBSIDIES THROUGH STATEEXCHANGES OR CONGRESS

INTENTIONALLY WROTE A BILLDESIGNED TO KILL ITSELF.

AND SURE, CONGRESS SUCKS.

THEY CAN'T SUCK THAT BAD.

SO, TO THE REPUBLICANS, YOU'VETRIED TO KILL THIS LAW EVERY

WHICH WAY.

50,000 CONGRESSIONAL REPEALS,DEFUNDING THREATS, LAWSUITS UP

THE WAZOO WHICH BY THE WAY,FULLY COVERED NOW UNDER

OBAMACARE. YOU KEEP TRYING.

BUT NOW YOUR BEST REMAININGMOVE, THE STRONGEST CARD IN THE

DECK LOOKS TO BE THE GRUBER.

GOOD LUCK GETTING SOMEONE TOTAKE UP A FEDERAL CASE ON THE

OFFHANDED AND SOMEWHAT DICKISHCOMMENTS OF SOME MIT EGGHEAD.

>> THE SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR ACHALLENGE TO OBAMACARE NEXT

YEAR THAT COULD INVALIDATEFEDERALLY OPERATED EXCHANGES

IN 30 STATES.

>> OPPONENTS OF THE LAW, YOUKNOW, REALLY SEIZED ON GRUBER'S

COMMENTS EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREMADE A YEAR AGO.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT INTHE SUPREME COURT.

[LAUGHING]>> Jon: WELL, IN THE WORDS OF A

PREVIOUS SUPREME COURT CASE[BEEP] [BEEP] [BEEP] AND

TITS.

WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO, LET MEJUST, LET ME JUST JUMP IN.

I NEED TO APOLOGIZE FORSOMETHING I SAID JUST A

FEW MOMENTS AGO ABOUT NANCYPELOSI.

SHE MAY NOT RECALL WHO JONATHANGRUBER IS.

BUT TODAY IS A DAY FOR HER TOCELEBRATE.

>> ABC NEWS CAN CONFIRM THATNANCY PELOSI HAS BEEN REELECTED

MINORITY LEADER.

>> Jon: HUZZAH! AND WHAT AMINORITY THE DEMOCRATS ARE.

I THINK AT THIS POINT THEREMIGHT ONLY BE THREE OF THEM

LEFT. IN FACT, AFTER THEDRUBBING THE DEMOCRATS TOOK

IN THE MIDTERM, A LOT OF PEOPLEWERE ASKING IF

NANCY PELOSI WOULD STEP DOWN.

>> AREN'T YOU GETTING A LITTLEOLD, MITCH? SHOULDN'T YOU STEP

ASIDE, YOU HAVE ASKED HIM THATQUESTION?

>> Jon: WHY WOULD ANYONE ASKMITCH MCCONNELL THAT QUESTION?

HE'S ONLY 72 YEARS OLD.

THAT'S BARELY A THIRD OF HISNATURAL LIFESPAN. I DON'T KNOW

WHY -- WHY WOULD YOU --HE'S BUT A TEENAGER.

I'M GONNA LIVE TO BE 208.

[LAUGHING]AND BY THE WAY WHAT IS YOUR

BEEF WITH MCCONNELL.

>> I WAS NEVER ON THE COVER OFTIME MAGAZINE EVEN THOUGH I WAS

THE FIRST WOMAN -- ISN'TTHAT A CURIOSITY THAT

THE REPUBLICANS WIN BOEHNER'S ONTHE FRONT OF TIME MAGAZINE.

MITCH MCCONNEL WINS, HE'S ON THEFRONT OF TIME MAGAZINE.

ISN'T THERE A PATTERN HERE?

AS A WOMAN IT'S LIKE, IS THERE AMESSAGE HERE?

>> Jon: NO, I HEAR YOU.

WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN THESAME REVERED COMPANY AS HITLER

AND DARKENED OJ.

BUT SO WHAT, YOU DIDN'T GET THETIME MAGAZINE COVER. BUT YOU DID

GET AN AWARD FROM THENATIONAL PARTNERSHIP FOR WOMEN

AND FAMILIES FOR YOUR LEADERSHIPIN FIGHTING FOR WORKING WOMEN.

I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, NANCYPELOSI.

I DON'T THINK HITLER OR OJ EVERGOT HONORED BY THOSE PEOPLE.

YOU'RE A RECOGNIZED CHAMPION OFWORKING WOMEN AND VOTING RIGHTS.

>> RIGHT TO VOTE MUST REMAIN THECORNERSTONE OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

WHEN WOMEN SUCCEED, AMERICASUCCEEDS.

EARLY VOTING IS OUR FRIEND.

RESPECT TO THE NEEDS OF WOMENAND FAMILIES.

>> Jon: YOU'RE VOTING AND LADYBONAFIDES ARE UNMATCHED.

AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS ME TOTHIS.

ILLINOIS REPRESENTATIVE TAMMYDUCKWORTH DISABLED IRAQ WAR

VETERAN 8 MONTHS PREGNANT ASKEDPERMISSION TO VOTE BY PROXY

IN THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUSELECTIONS BECAUSE HER DOCTER

TOLD HER SHE COULDN'TFLY TO WASHINGTON.

LUCKY FOR HER THE PERSON INCHARGE OF HER PARTY AND THAT

VOTE IS THE GUARDIAN HERSELF,NANCY PELOSI.

WHAT A PERFECT CHANCE TOSHOWCASE HER PRINCIPLES.

>> PELOSI OPPOSED DUCKWORTH'SREQUEST TO VOTE BY PROXY.

>> Jon: THANK YOU, YOU HAVE TOFIGHT FOR THESE TOUGH --

WAIT WHAT THE [BEEP]?

YOU REJECTED, YOU SUPPRESSINGTHE VOTE OF A MINORITY PREGNANT

WOMAN WHO IS A WOUNDED WARVETERAN.

SHE IS EVERYTHING YOU SUPPOSEDLYSTAND FOR, STUFFED INTO ONE

INDIVIDUAL.

SHE IS A DEMOCRATIC DEMOGRAPHICTURDUCKWORTH.

WHY?

WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?

>> MINORITY LEADER PELOSIDEFENDED THE DECISION SAYING

IT'S AGAINST HOUSE RULES ANDTHAT MAKING AN EXCEPTION

FOR DUCKWORTH COULD SETAN UNWANTED PRECEDENT.

>> Jon: WHAT?

WELL WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TOSET ANY DANGEROUS NEW PRECEDENTS

BY CHANGING ANTIQUATEDCAUCUS VOTE RULES SO THAT

WOMEN WHO ARE PREGNANTCAN PARTICIPATE.

WHY NEXT, THOSE CONGRESS LADIESWILL DEMAND SPECIAL LADY

BATHROOMS LADY URINALS.

AND IT'S CHAOS!

YOU KNOW --[LAUGHING]

I GOT TO TELL YOU.

I WOULD USE ONE OF THOSE.

[LAUGHING]AND YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD

DO?

I WOULD REST THE BALLS.

I WOULD PEE AND AS I PEE I WOULDREST THE BALLS.

[LAUGHING]I'M SORRY, YOU SEE, SOMETIMES

YOU DON'T SEE THEM.

AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE THEM ITJUST -- WELL --

[LAUGHING]YOU SEE -- (CLEARING THROAT)

IMPORTANT ISSUE AT HAND,STEWART.

YOU SEEMED OKAY WITH SETTING ANEW PRECEDENT WHEN YOU BECAME

THE FIRST FEMALE HOUSE SPEAKEROR WHEN YOU FILED THE

SUPREME COURT AMICUS BRIEF ONBEHALF OF

A PREGNANT WOMAN WHOSE EMPLOYERREFUSED TO MODIFY WORK

CONDITIONS SO SHE COULD CONTINUEWORKING.

WHY NOT THIS CASE?

>> SORT OF A PROXY BATTLE FORTHE TOP DEMOCRATIC JOB ON THE

HOUSE ENERGY ANDCOMMERCE COMMITTEE,

IT PITS NEW JERSEY DEMOCRATFRANK PALLONE WHO HAS THE

SENORITY AGAINST CALIFORNIADEMOCRAT ANNA ESHOO

WHO IS A VERY GOODFRIEND OF PELOSI'S.

>> IT SEEMS THAT REPRESENTATIVEDUCKWORTH WAS SIDING WITH

CONGRESSMAN PALLONE, SO LO ANDBEHOLD SUDDENLY SHE CAN'T

VOTE BY PROXY.

>> Jon: AND THAT'S HOW THEPRECEDENT WAS SET THAT

A WOMAN LEADER, COULD BE EVERYBIT AS POLITICALLY CRAVEN AS

HER MALE COUNTERPARTS.

LET ME SAY THIS, YOU GO GIRL.

SERIOUSLY, YOU SHOULD GO.

WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT AN ACTOR.

NEW FILM IS "THE IMITATIONGAME."

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY?

>> PLAY?

>> IT'S A GAME.

A TEST OF SORTS.

TO DETERMINE WHETHER SOMETHINGIS A MACHINE OR A HUMAN BEING.

>> HOW DO I PLAY?

>> WELL THERE'S A JUDGEAND A SUBJECT.

THE JUDGE ASKS QUESTIONS, ANDDEPENDING ON THE SUBJECT'S

ANSWERS DETERMINES WHO HE ISTALKING WITH OR WHAT HE IS

TALKING WITH.

AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK MEA QUESTION.

>> Jon: IT'S AN AWESOME MOVIE.

PLEASE WELCOME BENEDICTCUMBERBATCH.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> GOOD EVENING.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: LET ME ASK YOU A

QUESTION.>> HELLO.

>> Jon: YOU GET A LOT OF THAT,DON'T YOU?

>> WHAT THE LIVE STUDIO AUDIENCEATMOSPHERE WITH THE --

>> Jon: THE SHREAKING, THEJUMPING, THE CLAPPING.

>> UH, UH -- YEAH.

YEAH.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: I UNDERSTAND.

>> IT DOESN'T EVER NORMALIZE, ITELL YOU THAT.

IT'S WONDERFUL BUT VERY STRANGE.

>> Jon: BUT THERE REALLY IS,THERE'S SOMETHING.

I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. IHAVE A LOST GUESTS ON THE SHOW.

I HAVE A LOT OF HIGH PROFILE, WEHAVE PRESIDENTS OF COUNTRIES,

SITTING HEADS OF STATE.>> YEAH, I KNOW YOU DO.

>> Jon: IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

YOU'RE THE FIRST GUEST, I WANTTO RIP YOUR CLOTHES AND SELL

THEM ON E-BAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY.

IT'S UPSETTING FOR ME.

>> MAYBE WE CAN COME TO ANARRANGEMENT.

>> Jon: I THINK THAT WOULD BE --I FEEL LIKE IF YOU WERE TO GO ON

THE INTERNET ANDOIL UP YOUR BACKSIDE AND

BARED IT IN A KARDASHIAN LIKEPOSE THIS PLANET

COULD END.

[LAUGHING] THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

>> SATELLITES WILL CRASH.

>> Jon: SATELLITES WILL CRASHINTO THE THING.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: HOW ARE YOU FEELING?

THIS PERFORMANCE IS REMARKABLE.

AND WE SAW A LITTLE SOMETHING INTHE CLIP I WANT TO POINT OUT.

SO ALAN TURING, WHO IS THESCIENTIST, WELL EXPLAIN QUICKLY

WHAT IT IS AND THEN I WILL GETTO THE POINT, THE FILM.

>> THE FILM, THE FILM IS CALLED"THE IMITATION GAME" IT'S ABOUT

ALAN TURING AND THE TEAM OFSCIENTISTS WHO CRACK THE

GERMAN ENIGMA CODE, WHICHPOSSIBLY BROUGHT ABOUT A 2-YEAR

EARLY END TO THE SECOND WORLDWAR THEREBY SAVING 14 MILLION

LIVES. AND YOU'RE SORT OF,YOU'RE INTRODUCED TO THIS

CHARACTER AND HE'SVERY DIFFERENT, DIFFICULT,

UNCOMPROMISING.>> Jon: YES. YES.

>> THERE'S NO VANITY ABOUT HIM.HE'S FUNNY, BOTH INTENTIONALLY,

AND UNINTENTIONALLY.AND SLOWLY, AS THE MYSTERY

GETS CRACKED YOU ALSO CRACKTHE CODE OF WHO THIS MAN IS.

>> Jon: EXACTLY.>> YOU SEE BACK INTO HIS PAST

AND UNDERSTAND HIM.

>> Jon: HE COULD OF SAVED14 MILLION LIVES.

AND THEY REPAY HIM AFTER THE WARWITH --

>> STATE SANCTION AND CHEMICALCASTRATION.

>> Jon: STATE SANCTION ANDCHEMICAL CASTRATION.

YES, THT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE ITTURNS OUT HE WAS GAY.

AND THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.

AND IT'S REALLY REMARKABLE.

REMARKABLE STORY.

>> YES. AND COMPLETELY TRUESTORY.

AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MAINREASONS I WANTED TO TELL IT WAS

BECAUSE OF HOW ANGRY I WASNOT JUST AT THE INJUSTICE HE WAS

SERVED BUT HOW RELATIVE TO THESCALE OF HIS ACHIEVEMENTS.

THIS MAN -- AND NOT ONLY INOUR FILM DOES HE HELP THE EFFORT

THAT WON US THE WAR.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND THAT MARKS ME, OR MARKSHIM RATHER AS A WAR HERO FOR ME.

AND BEFORE THAT HE WAS BASICALLYTHE FATHER OF COMPUTER SCIENCE.

THE MODERN COMPUTER SCIENCE.

>> Jon: YOU WERE TALKING ABOUTTHE CLIP, THE TURING TEST

WHERE YOU DECIDE WHETHERSOMETHING IS HUMAN OR WHETHER

SOMETHING IS A MACHINE.

>> CORRECT.

WELL THAT WAS WORK HE DID AFTERTHE WAR.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THAT WAS WORK HE DID ONARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

SO THE IMITATION GAME IS ANOTHERPHRASE FOR THE TURING TEST

WHICH HE SORT OF WENT INTO THISINCREDIBLE PHILOSOPHICAL

QUESTION THAT STILL HAUNTS USOUTSIDE OF THE SCIENCES.

>> Jon: AND WE STILL CAN'T CRACKIT. WE STILL CAN'T CRACK.

>> WELL NO, IT'S ONE OF THEBIGGEST UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES US HUMAN?

WHAT IS IT IN OUR INTELLIGENCETHAT IS OURS AND OURS ALONE.

>> IF YOU FABRICATE SOMETHINGTHAT REPLICATES THAT,

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING ISMADE DIFFERENTLY DOESN'T MEAN

AND THINKING DIFFERENTLY DOESN'TMEAN IT'S NOT THINKING, SO --

>> Jon: RIGHT. I GUESS IT WOULDBE THE WRONG TIME TO ASK YOU TO

MARRY ME.

[LAUGHING]>> YOU'RE A BIT LATE.

Jon: CAUSE JUST AS YOU WERETALKING I WAS LIKE

MAN, HE'S REALLY SMART TOO.

NOW THIS WHOLE THING ISSTARTING TO GET UPSETTING.

BUT IN THE FILM -- HERE IS WHATI WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

AND THIS IS, IT'S , IT'S GONNASEEM LIKE SMALL BALL.

BUT I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THEPREPARATION YOU PUT IN AND THE

TYPE OF PERFORMANCE THAT THISIS.

SO ALAN TURING HAD A BIT OF ASTUTTER.

AND WHEN YOU WATCH SOMEONEPERFORM IN A FILM, AN ACTOR DO A

STUTTER, IT'S ALWAYS ON ACONSONANT.

YOU DO SOMETHING IN THEFILM THAT IS UTTERLY, IT'S NOT

THAT.

IT'S ON THE VOWEL OR YOU FIND AWAY TO DO IT WHERE IT, AND IT

BRINGS AN AUTHENTICITY TO IT.

AND IS THAT FROM HIS SPEECHPATTERN OR SOMETHING YOU WERE

ABLE TO KIND OF CONJURE?

>> WELL, THERE IS NO AUDIORECORDING OF HIM.

THERE IS NO VIDEO FOOTAGE OFHIM.

BUT THERE IS EXTENSIVE ANECDOTALDESCRIPTION OF HOW HE DID

STAMMER AND IT WAS PRETTYMAJOR.

IN THE FILM IT GETS WORSE WHENHE'S UNDER PRESSURE.

WHEN THERE'S EITHER AN EMOTIONALOR PHYSICAL PRESSURE ON HIM TO

STOP THE WORK AT BLETCHLEY PARK,WHICH PEOPLE TRIED TO SHUT

DOWN AT CERTAIN POINTS IN THEFILM.

WHEN HE'S UNDER PRESSURE NEARTHE END OF THE FILM WHEN HE'S

IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANIC ATTACKBASICALLY BECAUSE OF THE EFFECTS

OF THE ESTROGEN INJECTIONS.BUT IN LIFE IT WAS ALMOST

A SENTENCE BY SENTENCEOCCURRENCE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNTOF ARTISTIC LICENSE WITH

CONDENSING THAT TO THE MOMENTSWE DO USE IT IN THE FILM --

>> Jon: AND YOU WERE ABLE TO DOIT WITHOUT NECESSARILY GIVING

AWAY CHEATS OR PATTERNING.AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S SORT

OF REMARKABLE ABOUT THEPERFORMANCE.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

>> I GUESS YOU SORT OF EMBODY ITAND YOU PLAY IT THROUGH.

IT'S REALLY, IT'S QUITE LOVELY.

I WISH YOU WERE AT LEAST LESSTALENTED.

I WISH YOU WOULD JUST LEAN OVERAND BE LIKE "I HAVE EIGHT

NIPPLES" LIKE SOMETHING TO HELPME GET OVER THIS CAT.

"THE IMITATION GAME" BY THE WAY,IN THEATERS NOVEMBER 28th.

YOU KNOW WHAT MIGHT BE A GREATTHING, IS MAYBE TAKE IN A

DOUBLE FEATURE WITH ANOTHER FILMTHAT'S ALSO MAYBE PLAYING --

>> ROSEWATER.

>> Jon: BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE][CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

HERE IT IS OUR YOUR MOMENT OFSEN.

>> THESE FALLING TEMPERATURESCAN BE TOUGH ON DRIVERS TOO.

>> THEY'RE COMING DOWN HERE AT AHUNDRED MILES PER --

THERE GOES ANOTHER ONE, OH GOSH!

SLOW THE HECK DOWN, PEOPLE.

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