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March 5, 2015 - Gerald Posner

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Jessica Williams reports on the Department of Justice's investigation into Ferguson, an opposition leader in Russia is murdered, and Gerald Posner discusses "God's Bankers." (21:29)

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WELCOME TO "THE DAILYSHOW"

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, GERALD POSNER.

HE'S THE AUTHOR OF "GOD'SBANKERS."

IT'S ABOUT BANKING SYSTEM IN THEVATICAN.

VERY INTERESTING.

BUT FIRST YOU REMEMBER AUGUST2014, IT WAS A GREAT MONTH FOR

ENTHUSIASTS OF SADNESS ANDMISERY.

AFRICAN AMERICAN TEENAGERMICHAEL BROWN SHOT BY WHITE

POLICE OFFICER DARREN WILSON INFERGUSON, MISSOURI.

ALL ACROSS AMERICA PEOPLE WEREOUTRAGED,

JUST NOT ALWAYS FOR THE SAMEREASON.

>> THE SLOGAN "BLACK LIVESMATTER" IS A FREQUENT CHANT

AMONG PROTESTERS AFTER THEFERGUSON SHOOTINGS.

>> IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE.

IT'S ABOUT RACE, IT'S ABOUT ABLACK MAN TARGETING A WHITE MAN.

>> RACE IS WRIT LARGE ALL OVERTHIS.

>> HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT!

>> A FALSE NARRATIVE THATMICHAEL BROWN HAD HIS HANDS UP

AND SAID, "DON'T SHOOT."

THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

IT NEVER HAPPENED.

>> Jon: YES, WHILE SOMESPRANG ANGRILY TO THE DEFENSE OF

WHITE DARREN WILSON, OTHERSSPOKE OF THE RACIAL

DISCRIMINATION ANDDEHUMANIZATION OF BLACK

RESIDENTS THAT SOWED THESEEDS OF THE HOSTILE

CONFRONTATION INTHE FIRST PLACE.

WELL, GOOD NEWS.

IT TURNS OUT EVERYBODY WASRIGHT.

>> THE U.S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENTHAS CLEARED FORMER POLICE

OFFICER DARREN WILSON OF CIVILRIGHTS VIOLATIONS OVER THE

SHOOTING OF AN UNARMED PLAQUETEENAGER.

>> IN A SECOND, SEPARATE REPORT,THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

CONCLUDED THE FERGUSON POLICEDEPARTMENT ROUTINELY ENGAGES IN

RACIALLY BIASED PRACTICES.

>> Jon: ACCORDING TO OURJUSTICE DEPARTMENT, EVERYBODY'S

ANGER WAS SEPARATE BUT EQUALLYJUSTIFIED.

( LAUGHTER )IN A WAY, BOTH SIDES ACHIEVING A

BEAUTIFUL BALANCE OF RAGE, ASORT OF YIN AND YANG OF

RESENTMENT AND ANGER, SYMBOLIZEDBY THE ANCIENT TAOIST SYMBOL OF

THE COLORS BLACK AND WHITESEEMINGLY HEAD-BUTTING EACH

OTHER IN THE STOMACH.

( LAUGHTER )FOR ALL OF ETERNITY.

SO IN THE FIRST PLACE, FOX NEWS,LET THE SELF-VINDICATING

GLOATING BEGIN.

>> ERIC HOLDER HASNOW LOOKED AT AL SHARPTON AND

SAID, "WRONG, SIR, WRONG."

>> EVERYBODY THAT RUSHED TOJUDGMENT IN THIS CASE, I WOULD

SAY, ARE GUILTY OF CREATING ANATMOSPHERE IN FERGUSON THAT LED

TO A DISASTER.

>> Jon: AND SPEAKING OFCREATING AN ATMOSPHERE IN

FERGUSON THAT LED TO A DISASTER,THE FERGUSON POLICE DEPARTMENT,

ERIC HOLDER LOOKED AT THEM ANDSAID WRONG THEM TOO, WRONG.

SIR.

WRONG.

( LAUGHTER )>> DESPITE MAKING UP ONLY 67% OF

THE POPULATION, AFRICANAMERICANS ACCOUNTED FOR A LITTLE

OVER 85% OF ALL TRAFFIC STOPS.

AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE TWICE ASLIKELY AS WHITE RESIDENTS TO BE

SEARCHED DURING A ROUTINETRAFFIC STOP, EVEN THOUGH THEY

WERE 26% LESS LIKELY TO CARRYCONTRABAND.

AFRICAN AMERICANS MADE UP OVER90% OF THOSE CHARGED WITH A

HIGHLY DISCRETIONARY OFFENSEDESCRIBED AS-- AND I QUOTE--

MANNER OF WALKING ALONG ROADWAY.

IS THERE WHAT ARE YOU IN FOR?

"ROADWAY WALKIN."

( LAUGHTER )"WITH MANNER.

WHAT ABOUT YOU?""BEING BLACK WITH INTENT TO

CONTINUE BEING SO."

( LAUGHTER )ALL RIGHT, I'M ANGERED BY THAT

BUT I'M NOT YET FURIOUS.

WHAT ELSE YOU GOT?

>> WHEN POLICE USED FORCE,NEARLY NINE TIMES OUT OF 10,

THEY USED IT AGAINST BLACKS.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW THEYPROBABLY JUST HIT THAT ONE

WHITE GUY OUT OF TEN BY ACCIDENTWHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO

HIT A BLACK GUY.

"COME HERE, BLACK GUY!

SORRY!"( LAUGHTER )

HOW DEEP DID THE FERGUSON P.D.'SRACISM GO?

SKIN COLOR WAS EVEN AN ISSUE FORTHE MEMBERS OF THE POLICE FORCE

WHO CANNOT SEE IN COLOR.

>> ONE OF THE MOST REVEALINGSTATISTICS IS THAT OF THE 15

TIMES FERGUSON POLICE DOGS HAVEBITTEN PEOPLE, THEY'VE ALL BEEN

AFRICAN AMERICANS.

( LAUGHTER )NOTE TO SELF: HEARTWARMING

ANIMATED MOVIE ABOUT A RACISTPUPPY.

( LAUGHTER )WORKING TITLE "ALL DOGS GO TO

KLAN MEETINGS."

ALL RIGHT.

( LAUGHTER )UNLESS YOU THINK THIS ENTIRE

STORY RESIDES ON RACISM AVENUE,PLEASE KNOW IT ALSO INTERSECTS

WITH CAPITALISM STREET.

>> THE CITY RELIES ON THE POLICEFORCE TO SERVE ESSENTIALLY AS A

COLLECTION AGENCYFOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT.

THREE OR FOUR CHARGES FOR ASINGLE

STOP IS CONSIDERED FAIRLYROUTINE.

>> 20% OF THE REVENUE OFFERGUSON COMES FROM THESE

SELECTIVE ARRESTS OF AFRICANAMERICANS.

>> IN 2013 ALONE, THE MUNICIPALCOURT SYSTEM RAISED $2.6 MILLION

ON THESE TYPES OF FINES.

>> Jon: WHAT-- TWO-- $2.6MILLION IN MANNERED WALKING

AROUND MONEY.

MAYBE THEY DON'T HATE BLACKS.

THEY JUST LOVE GREEN.

FOR MORE WE'RE JOINED BY SENIORFERGUSON CORRESPONDENT JESSICA

WILLIAMS. SHE'SLIVE IN MISSOURI.

>> HI.

>> Jon: JESSICA, THANKS FORJOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Jon: HOW ARE YOU, JESSICA?

I THOUGHT YOU WERE ATTHE FERGUSON POLICE STATION.

>> OH, I AM, JON.

THAT'S THE POLICE STATION RIGHTBEHIND ME.

PRETTY SWEET, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S INCREDIBLY REGAL.

I DIDN'T EXPECT A SMALL-TOWNPRECINCT TO BE MORE OPULENT THAN

THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> YEAH, JON, AND LIKE THE WHITEHOUSE, IT WAS ALSO BUILT BY

BLACK PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE ACHOICE.

BOOM!

( LAUGHTER )

>> Jon: RIGHT OUT OF THEGATE, HUH, JESSICA?

>> YUP.

( BLEEP ) THESE PEOPLE.

>> Jon: ALRIGHT. NOW, JESSICA INTHE WAKE OF THE D.O.J. REPORT,

DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEEREFORMS NOW THAT WE DIDN'T --

YEAH -- >> YOU KNOW, IT IS,

IT IS TOO EARLY TO SAY,JON --

>> I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THAT ONYOUR-- WHAT'S THAT ON YOUR

SHIRT? >> WHAT?

>> Jon: ON YOUR --

>> DAMN IT'S A CITATION FOREXCEEDING THE HEIGHT LIMIT FOR

SIDEWALK USE.

THAT'S A $50 FINE.

>> Jon: WOW, THAT'S A REALOFFENSE AND THEY GOT YOU QUICK.

>> WOW, I BETTER PAY THIS RIGHTNOW.

THIS FINE DOUBLES IN 10 MINUTES.

>> Jon: WOW, FERGUSON POLICE,FERGUSON POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE

INCREDIBLY EFFICIENT,ALTHOUGH YOU WOULD THINK THAT

THE COPS WOULD NOW GOELECTRONIC, MAYBE HAVE SOME

KIND OF AN EZ-PASS SYSTEM ORSOMETHING FOR THESE TYPES OF

CITATIONS.

BUT JESSICA, ARE YOU SUGGESTINGTHAT EVEN AFTER THE REVELATIONS

IT'S BUSINESS AS USUAL AT THEFERGUSON P.D.?

>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING,JON.

>> Jon: JESUS JESSICA, WHATHAPPENED?

>> OH ( BLEEP )!

UH LET'S SEE -- TRESPASSING.

WE GOT ANOTHER ONE FORJAY-STANDING.

FOR SODOMY?

WHAT THE ( BLEEP )!

OH YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS ONE ISFOR WITH POSSESSION WITH

INTENT-- OH, LOOK ANDTHIS ONE CAME WITH A

DIME BAG STAPLED TO IT.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I'M JUST GONNA SAVE THAT ONE FORLATER.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

JESSICA, ARE WE GOING TO SEEMORE PROTESTS THEN IN FERGUSON?

>> HELL YEAH, BUT THIS TIMETHEY'RE GOING TO PUT THIS

INJUSTICE IN TERMS WHITE AMERICACAN UNDERSTAND.

DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN ANGRY OLDWHITE PEOPLE STARTED THE TEA

PARTY?

>> Jon, OF COURSE, I REMEMBERTHAT.

>> WELL, BLACK PEOPLE ARESTARTING THE F.E.A. PARTY.

THEY'RE FINED ENOUGH ALREADY.

NO MORE TAXATION WITHOUT LEGALREPRESENTATION.

HANDS UP, DON'TLOOT OUR SAVINGS.

>> Jon: I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYINGTHERE.

BLACK FIVES MATTER, JON!

>> Jon: BLACK FIVES DOMATTER.

>> HEY, JESSICA.>> OH HEY, JASON.

>> HOW'S IT GOING?

>> EXCUSE ME, SIR, SIR!

>> WHAT?

>> IS THAT WOMAN BOTHERING YOU?

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THISBLACK ONE HERE?

NO, SHE'S COOL. BYE. OH, YOU'VEGOT MY, YOU'VE GOT MY --

>> Jon: JESSICA, I THINK YOUNEED TO GET OUT OF FERGUSON

RIGHT NOW, JESSICA.

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T, JON.

YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T PAY THAT FINEFROM FIVE MINUTES AGO AND NOW

I'VE BEEN BOOTED.

>> Jon: OH, FOR GOD'S SAKES.

GOOD LUCK, JESSICA.

JESSICA WILLAIMS, EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK! LISTEN!

IT HAS BEEN A VERY LONG TIMESINCE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAY

"GOOD NEWS OUT OF RUSSIA."

( LAUGHTER )AND THAT IS STILL THE CASE.

>> BORIS NEMTSOV, A FORMERRUSSIAN DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER

UNDER BORIS YELTSIN WAS SHOTFOUR TIMES IN THE BACK.

>> NEMTSOV OF ONE OF RUSSIANPRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN'S

FIERCEST CRITICS.

>> THIS IS THE EXACT SPOT WHEREBORIS NEMTSOV WAS SHOT DEAD, AND

WE ARE LITERALLY JUST STEPS AWAYFROM THE KREMLIN.

>> Jon: WOW.

STEPS AWAY FROM THE KREMLIN DOESSEEM LIKE A CONVENIENT PLACE FOR

THE KREMLIN TO MURDER SOMEONE.

( LAUGHTER )YOU KNOW, FOR THE KREMLIN,

THEY'VE GOT TO BE THINKING, WHYSCHLEP ALL THE WAY ACROSS TOWN?

IT'S THE SAME REASON YOU GETLUNCH AT THE DELI RIGHT NEXT TO

YOUR OFFICE EVEN THOUGHYOU'RE PRETTY SURE THEY

MAKE ALL THEIR PANINIS AMONTH IN ADVANCE.

I'M KIDDING, OF COURSE.

PUTIN COULD NOT HAVE MURDERED APOLITICAL ADVERSARY.

GEORGE BUSH LOOKED INTO HIS EYESAND SAW HIS SOUL.

HOW COULD SUCH A SOULFUL,TRUSTWORTHY MAN EVER --

OKAY, THAT PHOTOIS A BIT UNFAIR.

LET'S GET A DIFFERENT PHOTOTHERE -- OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, HOW DO WE KNOW THEGOVERNMENT WAS INVOLVED?

>> RUSSIAN STATE-OWN TELEVISIONAIRING THIS VIDEO THEY SAY SHOWS

THE MOMENT OF NEMTSOV'SSHOOTING.

A SNOW PLOW CONVENIENTLYBLOCKING THE VIEW.

>> Jon: NOT TO BE ASTICKLER FOR DETAILS,

BUT THAT STREET SEEMSNOT TO BE SNOWED ON.

( LAUGHTER )ALL RIGHT, LOOKS BAD.

OPPOSITION LEADER GUNNED DOWNYARDS FROM THE KREMLIN WITH WHAT

APPEARS TO BE AN OFFICIALVEHICLE CONVENIENTLY OBSCURING

THE EVENT.

BUT FEAR NOT!

THE KREMLIN IS CHASING DOWNEVERY THEORY THAT HAS NOTHING TO

DO WITH REALITY.

>> RUSSIAN INVESTIGATORS FLOATEDSEVERAL THEORIES.

IT WAS A CONTRACT KILLING.

THE WORK OF ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS.

AUTHORITIES EVEN SUGGESTED THATSOMEONE FROM WITHIN THE

OPPOSITION MAY HAVE BEEN BEHINDIT TO MAKE NEMTSOV SOME SORT OF

MARTYR.

>> MAYBE IT WAS A PERSONALISSUE, THEY SAY.

MAYBE HE WAS A MAN WITH MANYGIRLFRIENDS.

ONE OF THEM COULD HAVE BECOMEOVERLY JEALOUS.

>> Jon: I THINK IT WASPERHAPS HUNTING ACCIDENT.

( LAUGHTER )OR MAYBE NEMTSOV, I DON'T KNOW,

TRIPPED AND FELL ON BULLETS REALHARD.

( LAUGHTER )OR TIME-TRAVELING CYBORG SENT

FROM FUTURE TO KILL NEMTSOV SOHE COULD NEVER GROW INTO LEADER

OF HUMAN RESISTANCE.

IT'S ALL TERRIBLE.

THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.

IT'S VERY TRAGIC, ONE OFRUSSIA'S CHIEF OPPOSITION

LEADERS, A FORMERHIGH-RANKING MEMBER OF THEIR

GOVERNMENT GUNNED DOWN IN THEMOST SECURE PART OF MOSCOW.

ONE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THEAUTHORITIES WILL MOUNT A

THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.

>> PRESIDENT PUTIN VOWED TOPERSONALLY OVERSEE THE

INVESTIGATION.

>> Jon: OH, GOOD!

( LAUGHTER )HE'S VOWING TO FIND THE REAL

KILLER.

THAT'S A PROMISE THAT ALWAYSINSPIRES CONFIDENCE.

( LAUGHTER )THE ONLY THING THAT COULD BE

MORE O.J. IS IF PUTIN STARTEDSTEALING SPORTS MEMORABILIA.

OH, ( BLEEP )!

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT!

( LAUGHTER )BUT ALL RIGHT, WITH PRESIDENT

PUTIN OVERSEEING THEINVESTIGATION THEY'RE DOING SOME

SERIOUS DETECTIVE WORK,SEARCHING FOR ANY CLUES LEFT

AROUND NEMTSOV'S BODY, THOUGHNOT BEFORE OTHER GOVERNMENT

WORKERS HOSED DOWN THE MURDERSCENE JUST HOURS AFTER THE

SHOOTING.

BECAUSE IN MOSCOW, APPARENTLY,"C.S.I."

STANDS FOR "CLEAN SIDEWALKSIMMEDIATELY."

( LAUGHTER )SO, OBVIOUSLY, NEMTSOV'S DEATH

MARKS A MAJOR MILESTONE IN THEREIGN OF VLADIMIR PUTIN.

HE STARTED OUT AS SOMETHING OF ANORMAL HUMAN BEING, TRANSITIONED

INTO A BIT OF AN ECCENTRICDICTATOR.

SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY,SOMETHING CHANGED.

THE GOOFINESS GAVE WAY TO ADARKER, MORE SINISTER PUTIN,

MUCH LIKE A YOUNG HARMLESSWIZARD WHO GOT SORTED INTO

SLYTHERIN.

SO AFTER HANGING AROUND WITHSOME OF THE BAD KIDS AND

SLEEPING IN SOME OF THEDUNGEON-Y PARTS OF HOGWARTS,

VLADIMIR PUTIN HAS TURNED INTOLORD VLADIMORT.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT A BESTSELLING AUTHOR.

HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED "GOD'SBANKERS: THE HISTORY OF MONEY

AND POWER AT THE VATICAN."

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THEPROGRAM GERALD POSNER. SIR!

ALRIGHT. THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Jon: WE'RE GOING TO GETINTO THIS, "GOD'S BANKERS."

I GOTTA TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, MYSENSE OF THE VATICAN IN TERMS OF

BANKING, I THINK IT WASALWAYS MORE PROVINCIAL,

THIS IDEA THAT THEY HAVE ACONSTITUENCY THAT TITHES.

THEY DO THESE COLLECTIONS.

THEY MANAGE THEIR REAL ESTATE.

THAT IT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN INSULARFINANCIAL SYSTEM.

I AM INCORRECT.

>> I WAS INCORRECT.

WHEN I STARTED TO LOOK INTO THESUBJECT I THOUGHT OF IT AS A MOM

AND POP SHOP.

I MEAN, I KNEW IT WAS THEWORLD'S BIGGEST RELIGION AND

IT WAS ITS OWN COUNTRY.

BUT I FIGURED IT WAS PEOPLE ATTHE END GIVING MONEY AT THE END

OF A PEW INTO A COLLECTION BOXAND THAT THEY'RE OPERATING ON A

SHOESTRING.

IT TURNS OUT, IN FACT, THAT THEYHAVE A CROSS BETWEEN THE FEDERAL

RESERVE AND A WALLSTREET INVESTMENT FIRM

AS THEIR OWN BANK,AND THEY OPERATE IT IN THE DARK,

IN TOTAL SECRECY,UNTIL THE LAST FEW YEARS,

SO IT'S BECOME A HAVENFOR EVERYTHING FROM MAFIA

DRUG LAUNDERING TO MONEYLAUNDERING TO PEOPLE AT THE TOP

OF ITALY DECIDING NOT TO PAYTAXES.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> TO QUESTIONS ABOUTWHETHER THEY DID

BUSINESS WITH THE NAZIS DURINGTHE WAR.

SO, THE MOM AND POP SHOP THATYOU THOUGHT IT WAS, THAT I

THOUGHT IT WAS, TURNS OUTTO BE IN FACT A LARGE

CENTRAL BANK WITH MOREPROBLEMS THAN MOST COUNTRIES.

>> Jon: IN SOME RESPECTS,COMFORTING TO KNOW HEY MAN,

THEY'RE JUST LIKE US.

( LAUGHTER ).

>> IT'S TRUE IN THE SENSE THAT ISAY THAT IN THE END, ALL THIS

BOOK PROVES IS THAT THE MEN WHOHAVE RUN THE CHURCH FOR DECADES,

FOR 2,000 YEARS.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT THE PERIOD I'M LOOK AT,FOR 150 YEARS, ARE MORTAL.

THEY'RE NOT INFALLIBLE.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THEY MAY BE INFALLIBLE INTHEIR POPE WHEN THEY'RE

MAKING A DECISION BASED UPONFAITH, BUT IN THE END,

THEY HAVE ALL THE FOIBLES ANDWEAKNESSES THAT WE HAVE AND

MAYBE MORE SO BECAUSE IT'S NOTJUST THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH

MONEY.

BUT THAT'S ALL THEY CAN DO ISMONEY AND POWER AND

THE FAITH, THEY ARE 900 OR 800MEN IN VATICAN CITY-- THAT'S THE

ENTIRE COUNTRY-->> Jon: RIGHT.

>> WITH CELIBATE VOWS--

>> Jon: THE KEY THEREIS "COUNTRY."

IF THEY WEREN'T A COUNTRY-- SOIF THEY WERE A PART OF THE

FISCAL SYSTEM OF ANOTHERCOUNTRY, OR SOMETHING ALONG

THOSE LINES BUT BY BEING ACOUNTRY THEY ARE ALMOST LIKE AN

OFFSHORE BANKING HAVEN BUTWITHOUT BEING OFFSHORE.

>> EXACTLY.

THEY ARE AN OFFSHORE BANK IN THEHEART OF ROME AS I CALL THEM.

IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT, JON,IF TIMES SQUARE WAS ITS OWN

COUNTRY.

>> Jon: OH.

>> IT'S THE SAME SIZE.

( LAUGHTER )>> Jon: LORD, IT WAS IN THE 70s.

>> I HAD A PASSPORT --

>> NOW IT'S-- NOW IT'S M&M-ISTAN-- IT'S JUST.

>> SO BEFORE IT WAS M&M-ISTAN -->> Jon: YEAH.

>> AND IT WAS ITS OWN REALVIBRANT COUNTRY IN THE 70s --

>> Jon: YES.

>> IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF 42 TO49TH STREET. 2/10ths OF A MILE.

SIZE OF VATICAN CITY.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> IF YOU LIVED ON 39th STREETAND YOU WERE A NEW YORKER, IF

YOU WERE ABLE TO TAKE THE MONEYTHAT YOU HAD, A MILLION DOLLARS

IN A TRUCK AND MOVE ANDHAD A FRIEND INSIDE OF

TIMES SQUARE, ITS OWN COUNTRY,WHO WOULD TAKE IT AND DEPOSIT

IT INTO THAT BANK,NOBODY IN NEW YORK--

>> Jon: IT DISAPPEARS.>> IT WOULD DISAPPEAR.

>> Jon: IT DISAPPEARS.

>> NO DRUG INVESTIGATOR.

NO PROSECUTOR, NO TAX AUTHORITY.

NO ONE ELSE CAN FOLLOW IT.

AND THAT'S THE KEY.

WHEN YOU SAY THIS IS ITS OWNCOUNTRY, REMEMBER THESE WERE

POPE KINGS. FOR 1800YEARS THEY HAD THEIR OWN EMPIRE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND THEY LOST IT IN THE1800s,

AND THEY GET IT BACK FROM BENITOMUSSOLINI, THE FASCIST DICTATOR

OF ITALY, WHO GIVES THEMSOVEREIGNTY IN 1929.

IT CHANGES THE WHOLE PICTURE.

>> Jon: AND NOW WHEN THEY HADSOVEREIGNTY, YOU KNOW,

ONE OF THE THINGS,THOUGH, THAT I THINK IS ALMOST

AGAIN COMFORTING IS THAT THEMOTIVE HERE IS FINANCIAL

VIABILITY, NOT, YOU KNOW-- THEYDID BUSINESS WITH THE NAZIS, NOT

OUT OF A LOVE OF NAZIS, BUT THEYWERE AFRAID OF THE COMMUNISTS.

YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T-- THINGSWERE MOTIVATED BY OTHER MOTIVES

THAN WHAT YOU WOULD IMAGINE.

>> MOTIVATED IN PART-- I THINKTHAT I'M THE FIRST WRITER-- I

SAY THAT WITH SOME HESITATION.

THERE MAY BE SOMEBODY ELSE OUTTHERE.

I THINK I'M THE FIRST PERSON INTHE BOOK TO PUT FORTH THE

PROCESS OR THE THOUGHT THAT PARTOF THE REASON FOR THE POPE'S

SILENCE DURING WORLD WAR II OVERTHE HOLOCAUST WAS NOT JUST ALL

THE QUESTION ABOUTANTI-SEMITISM AND FEAR THE

COMMUNISM, AND LOVE OF GERMANYBUT WAS IN PART FINANCIAL.

THERE WAS A FINANCIAL MOTIVATINGFACTOR.

NOBODY'S THOUGHT ABOUT MONEYBEFORE.

THE NAZIS WERE COLLECTING ATAX FOR THE VATICAN THAT

AMOUNTED TO $100 MILLION A YEARIN 1943.

EVERY GERMAN CATHOLIC HAS TO PAYTHE TAX.

THE NAZIS SAID TO THEM, GUESSWHAT?

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VOLUNTARYANYMORE.

WE'LL COLLECT AT THE SOURCE LIKEA PAYROLL TAX.

THEY DID THAT.

THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE THAT IFTHEY MOVED AGAINST THE NAZI.

THEY HAD INSURANCE INVESTMENTSIN EASTERN EUROPE --

>> AND ALSO THEY WEREAFRAID OF THE BOLSHEVIKS,

THEY WERE AFRAID THAT THEBOLSHEVIKS WOULD COME IN

AND THAT THEY WOULD BE NEXT.

THEY WOULD BE THE NEXT GROUPTHAT WAS KILLED.

>> PETRIFIED OF THE BOLSHEVIKS.

THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY AFRAID OFTHE REDS, AND AS A MATTER OF

FACT, NOT ONLY DID THAT FORCETHEM, NOT FORCE THEM

THEY DID BUSINESS WITH THEGERMANS AND THE AMERICANS AND

THE BRITISH.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BECAUSE THEY WERE EQUALOPPORTUNITY PROFITEERS DURING

THE WAR.

BUT AFTER THE WAR, THAT FORCEDTHE VATICAN IN BED WITH THE

AMERICANS AND THE BRITISH.

>> Jon: YEAH. WE JUMPED IN ANDSTARTED LAUNDERING MONEY.

WE LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID WE'REEVIL, TOO. COME ON!

WHAT OUR MONEY IS TOO GOOD FORYOU? NO, IT'S DIRTY, HERE.

>> WE SEND MONEY OVER THERE ANDTHEY SEND MONEY ON OUR BEHALF.

WE ALSO JOINED A PARTNERSHIPWITH THEM AS YOU KNOW

TO SEND NAZIS TO SOUTH AMERICA.SO THEY HAD THEIR OWN --

THEY HAD A BISHOP AND PRIESTSENDING NAZIS TO SOUTH AMERICA,

AND THEN BRITISH AND AMERICANINTELLIGENCE SAID OH --

>> Jon: PAYING FOR THAT.>> YEAH, WE'LL HELP YOU.

AND DROPPED OFF GUYS LIKE KLAUSBARBIE, THE BUTCHER OF LYON

WITH A CATHOLIC PRIESTWHO WAS RUNNING A SEMINARY

AND HE TAKES THEM DOWN TOSOUTH AMERICA.

AND THEN IN THE 40s AND THE 60s,IT'S THE VATICAN GETS INVOLVED

IN HELPING US FIGHT THE REDS.

SO THEY'RE SENDING MONEY TOBRING DOWN COMMUNISM.

>> Jon: RIGHT. BRING THIS UP TOMODERN DAY, POPE FRANCIS, WHO IS

SEEMINGLY TAKING ON EVERY KNOWNORTHODOXY WITHIN THE CATHOLIC

CHURCH, INCLUDING THE FINANCIALSYSTEM.

HE'S MADE IT MORE TRANSPARENT.

HE'S ATTEMPTED TO TRY ANDDEMYSTIFY IT TO SOME EXTENT.

>> HE HAS.

I THINK THAT-- I WAS SKEPTICALRANCIS FIRST WAS ELECTED ELECTED

IN 2013 BECAUSE HE SAID THESETHINGS, "I'M GOING TO REFORM THE

FINANCES," AND OTHER POPESHAVE SAID THAT AND THEY'VE DONE

NOTHING.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THEY HAVE BEEN FOILED BYTHE BUREAUCRACY UNDERNEATH.

IT'S TRADITIONALIST, THEY DON'TWANT IT TO REFORM.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> FRANCIS SAID THAT, BUT ITHINK HE IS THE REAL DEAL.

HE HAS PASSED A SERIES OFREFORMS, THAT IF HE IS POPE

LONG ENOUGH-- AND THAT'SQUESTION.

YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THEUNDERLYING BUREAUCRACY.

IT WILL TAKE YEARS -->> Jon: RIGHT.

>> 5-10 YEARS, MAYBE, THEN ITWILL BE A BORING MIDLEVEL BANK

GOING FORWARD. I'VE ALSO ASKEDHIM, ONLY HE HASN'T RESPONDED,

I SENT HIM A COPY OF THIS BOOKWITH A COVER LETTER.

I DID.

( LAUGHTER )ADDRESSED TO "HIS HOLINESS."

I'M CATHOLIC --

>> Jon: NO, I THOUGHT THAT WASGOING SOMEHWERE LIKE, I ALSO

ASKED HIM. I WAS LIKE, YOUTALKED TO THE POPE?

>> YEAH I KNOW.>> Jon: LIKE WELL --

>> I ASKED THROUGH A LETTER,ANYWAY.

>> HE MIGHT ANSWER. HE CALLSPEOPLE UP OCCASIONALLY.

FOUR NUNS CALLED HIM AND HECALLED THEM BACK AND LEFT A

MESSAGE ON THEIR ANSWERINGMACHINE.

>> Jon: SURE.

>> SO I'VE ASKED HIM IF HE WOULDBE WILLING TO RELEASE THE

VATICAN BANK'S WORLD WAR II-ERADOCUMENTS BECAUSE THOSE

ARE STILL SEALED.

THEY GAVE ME A STIFF-ARM WHEN ITRIED TO GET THEM.

MAYBE HE CAN REFORM IT NOTONLY GOING FORWARD BUT ALSO A

LITTLE TRANSPARENCYGOING BACK. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> Jon: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

WELL, GOOD LUCKWITH THAT.

( LAUGHTER )INCREDIBLE STORY.

INCREDIBLE.

REALLY WELL DONE.

"GOD'S BANKERS."

IT'S ON THE BOOKSHELVES NOW.

GERALD POSNER, EVERYBODY.

( APPLAUSE )( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW. BEFOREWE GO, OKAY, SUNDAY.

THIS SUNDAY AT8:00, COMEDY CENTRAL THEY'RE

GOING TO AIR OUR NIGHT OF TOOMANY STARS BENEFIT.

IT'S A SHOW WE DO EVERY COUPLEOF YEARS FOR A GREAT

ORGANIZATION CALLED NEW YORKCOLLABORATES FOR AUTISM.

IT SUPPORTS AUTISM SERVICES ALLAROUND THE COUNTRY.

IT'S PHENOMENAL.

EDUCATION PROGRAMS AND ALL THAT.

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